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When you look back, we went into a draft, not considered to have elite talent, but great depth through first 3 rounds, in an ideal situation.

We had 5 picks in first 3 rounds and as stated by Mike Mayock, “I’m not seeing the explosive difference-makers at the top end of this draft" & “I think we’ve got more depth for the first three rounds than maybe any time.... I have done this draft,”

We came out of these first 3 rounds with, Dion Jordan, Jamar Taylor, Dallas Thomas & Will Davis. I like the first 3 but surely this is not good enough.

Firstly why trade up in a draft considered to have great depth and no elite player?

Take a look at this draft and look at the talent that was available throughout these first 3 rounds - http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-round/dt-by-round-input:1

I did a draft just from a pure need standpoint, taking the BPA. IMO we needed OL, OL, CB, LB & DE in that order.

1- Larry Warford - OG
2- Menelik Watson - OT
2- Jamar Taylor - CB
3 - Khaseem Greene - LB
3 - Alex Okafor - DE

Even taking Warford that high is a reach but he is playing well for Detriot and him and Watson, who was also starting and playing well for Raiders would have provided far more than what we went with.

IMO we could have taken 2013 one step further. The strength of 2013 draft was WR, O'line, DT & DE. What do we do. Sign WR Mike Wallace and re-sign DT Randy Starks. As an alternative we could have re-signed Reggie Bush & Sean Smith (who was not my favourite player) and gone into draft looking for WR, O'line, DT & DE.

Just based on BPA, first 5 picks would have been:-

1(12) - Sharif Floyd - DT
2(10) - Larry Warford - OG
2(22) - Demontre Moore - DE
3(15) - Quinton Patten - WR
3(20) - Jesse Williams - DT

I dont think this is hindsight or looking back with rose tinted glasses. Why cant we tailor our FA to hit the strength of the draft each year?


 
normaniii said:
When you look back, we went into a draft, not considered to have elite talent, but great depth through first 3 rounds, in an ideal situation.

We had 5 picks in first 3 rounds and as stated by Mike Mayock, “I’m not seeing the explosive difference-makers at the top end of this draft" & “I think we’ve got more depth for the first three rounds than maybe any time.... I have done this draft,”

We came out of these first 3 rounds with, Dion Jordan, Jamar Taylor, Dallas Thomas & Will Davis. I like the first 3 but surely this is not good enough.

Firstly why trade up in a draft considered to have great depth and no elite player?

Take a look at this draft and look at the talent that was available throughout these first 3 rounds - http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-round/dt-by-round-input:1

I did a draft just from a pure need standpoint, taking the BPA. IMO we needed OL, OL, CB, LB & DE in that order.

1- Larry Warford - OG
2- Menelik Watson - OT
2- Jamar Taylor - CB
3 - Khaseem Greene - LB
3 - Alex Okafor - DE

Even taking Warford that high is a reach but he is playing well for Detriot and him and Watson, who was also starting and playing well for Raiders would have provided far more than what we went with.

IMO we could have taken 2013 one step further. The strength of 2013 draft was WR, O'line, DT & DE. What do we do. Sign WR Mike Wallace and re-sign DT Randy Starks. As an alternative we could have re-signed Reggie Bush & Sean Smith (who was not my favourite player) and gone into draft looking for WR, O'line, DT & DE.

Just based on BPA, first 5 picks would have been:-

1(12) - Sharif Floyd - DT
2(10) - Larry Warford - OG
2(22) - Demontre Moore - DE
3(15) - Quinton Patten - WR
3(20) - Jesse Williams - DT

I dont think this is hindsight or looking back with rose tinted glasses. Why cant we tailor our FA to hit the strength of the draft each year?
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You mean after all the talk of lack of players makers the year before, you wanted Ireland to draft not just one, but two offensive linemen? HAHAHAHA.. Okay buddy. And based on the draft if you look at the body of work of Dion Jordan And J. Taylor, they were both PLAYMAKERS in college..

And if he did pull the trigger on two OL man, I almost promise you this post would have to be made on the NFL dolphins forum, because this site would have self destruct..
 
Hindsight's 20/20. They traded up for a guy who was considered by many to be one of the few elite guys in the draft. That's why they made the move. But it's crazy to call a draft a failure 10 games into their first season, especially with the amount of injuries we've sustained from our class.
 
Way too early to tell, but it's gotta be the least impactful draft in terms of rookie contribution.
 
The biggest failure was moving up and not using pick 42 on Brandon Albert....
 
I've given up, 6 years and not single beast was drafted. It's hopeless. With a GM like that you need miracles.
 
ConvenientTruth said:
The biggest failure was moving up and not using pick 42 on Brandon Albert....
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Your assumption or theory is based off of a 10 game sample. Something most NFL gms don't do. Albert had his own baggage coming from KC, and there was a reason why he was trade bait.

Judging a draft after 10 games, reeks of agenda driven dribble. We know what your agenda is, and you are par for the course.
 
grushcow said:
Hindsight's 20/20. They traded up for a guy who was considered by many to be one of the few elite guys in the draft. That's why they made the move. But it's crazy to call a draft a failure 10 games into their first season, especially with the amount of injuries we've sustained from our class.
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I love Jordan, but IMO he is a luxury pick. We had Wake, Vernon & Shelby going into draft. At that point we had an O'line of Martin, Incognito, Pouncey, Jerry, Garner, no real back up and 3 of them FA next year.

Granted this would have upset the masses due to previous O'line picks, but so did the Lions selecting Calvin Johnson after all the other misses at WR. In the end if we had selected Warford and Watson and won more games, I think fans would be far happier with Jeff Ireland
 
normaniii said:
I love Jordan, but IMO he is a luxury pick. We had Wake, Vernon & Shelby going into draft. At that point we had an O'line of Martin, Incognito, Pouncey, Jerry, Garner, no real back up and 3 of them FA next year.

Granted this would have upset the masses due to previous O'line picks, but so did the Lions selecting Calvin Johnson after all the other misses at WR. In the end if we had selected Warford and Watson and won more games, I think fans would be far happier with Jeff Ireland
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So those 3.5 sacks between the two, was enough to by pass a potential high ceiling player like Jordan? You are re writing history to suit your case today. Shelby and Vernon had shown VERY LITTLE prior to the draft to assume Wake didn't need help, especially in the AFC East.

I love how people here can sit down and completely forget the thought process going into the draft. O Line was not in order, after all the BS blown up around here about using first round picks on O linemen. The same game day banners flying over the stadium wanting the GM fired. The media blasting this team for having NO PLAYMAKERS, outside of Wake.

This hindsight you display reeks of BS from top to bottom. You can go back and re write every draft, but it won't change a damn thing. And judging this draft so close, is agenda driven.
 
Dion Jordan is gonna be a great player, Ireland wasn't worried for his job at the juncture of the draft or he would have protected Tannehill better... Ireland thoughtbhe would be around to see Jordan become an impact player, and he won't be I hope!!

Anyone who has had surgery on a shoulder (I have) would be able to tell you that the fact that Jordan is playing is in itself amazing - I expect him to wreak havoc next season and it will be more than just sacks next season. When you get shoulder surgery you cannot work out that arm and shoulder Jordan is clearly behind ion strength but sprints across the field to make plays - he is fantastic sideline to sideline and should be covering TEs (not simply rushing the passer)
 
ProStyle said:
I've given up, 6 years and not single beast was drafted. It's hopeless. With a GM like that you need miracles.
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this is ireland's third draft. and it remains to be seen if players like mike pouncey, ryan tannehill, dion jordan (or even charles clay, olivier vernon, lamar miller, jamar taylor, or rishard matthews) become "beasts." whatever your definition of that term may be.

what GM has drafted the most "beasts" in his first three drafts?
 
DolfanDuBbZ~ said:
Your assumption or theory is based off of a 10 game sample. Something most NFL gms don't do. Albert had his own baggage coming from KC, and there was a reason why he was trade bait.

Judging a draft after 10 games, reeks of agenda driven dribble. We know what your agenda is, and you are par for the course.
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He was trade bait due to the only top level players being LT's, was expendable, and KC wanted to recoup the 2nd rounder they gave up for Smith. Using the pick to move up for a player that doesn't even fit the defensive scheme the Dolphins run when they could have used the traded pick on a high level LT seems like a piss poor move.

Secondly, I do have an agenda against Ireland....he's had 5 offseasons and continues to make questionable to downright bad moves. Poor drafting, especially in the second and third rounds, contract extensions that do not make sense while letting player who should be resigned, walk. IT is his body of work I have an issue with and not just this one draft.
 
DolfanDuBbZ~ said:
So those 3.5 sacks between the two, was enough to by pass a potential high ceiling player like Jordan? You are re writing history to suit your case today. Shelby and Vernon had shown VERY LITTLE prior to the draft to assume Wake didn't need help, especially in the AFC East.

I love how people here can sit down and completely forget the thought process going into the draft. O Line was not in order, after all the BS blown up around here about using first round picks on O linemen. The same game day banners flying over the stadium wanting the GM fired. The media blasting this team for having NO PLAYMAKERS, outside of Wake.

This hindsight you display reeks of BS from top to bottom. You can go back and re write every draft, but it won't change a damn thing. And judging this draft so close, is agenda driven.
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BS, is a bit strong lol

I have no issue with selecting a DE. My issue us the fact that we traded up in a draft, devoid of elite talent but with great depth.

It wasn't like we went into draft not needing depth at certain positions. I love Dion Jordan, but let's be honest, he is best suited to a 3-4 OLB and was always going to be used as a situational pass rusher.

Surely both Bjoern Werner, a player more suited to 4-3, together with Watson or Warford would have been a far better choice overall.

To say its hindsight is not. These gardes were complied by nfl.com prior to draft. I personally would have gone a different way and selected players who dropped, i.e. Werner, Lotulelei, K.Allen, D.Moore, M.Watson etc but I was using the site as a tool to show how we could have gone a different way just using a basic formula
 
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