Gary Kubiak would make a fine OC.
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You guys are right and that's the correct order, IMO, hire the GM and let him hire the HC, that's why I don't want any big names, GM or HC, they'll want control over everything...
You know, I was going to make a thread similar to the GM thread I made, but Hayden made a good database so I'll use most of his list
Big Names
Bill Cowher-Highly doubt it happens if he hasn't come out of retirement yet. Based on what I've heard he's more likely to become a college coach if he decides to come back. Biggest reason I'd want Cowher is he'd probably bring Omar Kahn to us.
Jon Gruden- I could see us pursuing Gruden. I dunno if I want him making personnel decisions though. I do think he could put a decent staff together.
Mike Holmgren- I think the failed tenure as Cleveland's GM has hurt his cause.
Possible HC that could be available at the end of the year
Gary Kubiak-If he's fired I think he takes the year off to get his health under control
Mike Shanahan-Not happening
Recycled Head Coaches
Brian Billick-Doubtful
Dom Capers-Not gonna happen but I wouldn't mind having his defensive scheme back
Jack Del Rio-Maybe... Though I think he's more likely to head to USC
Herm Edwards-Not happening
Eric Mangini-Not Happening
Marty Morningweg-Good offensive mind that I wouldn't mind as OC, but not as a head coach
Josh McDaniels-I think he takes over in New England when Billicheck retires. I do think he'll be a better coach than he showed in Denver though
Marty Schottenheimer-We won't win a playoff game, but he'd set us up with talent.
Lovie Smith-Maybe for his defensive scheme
Norv Turner-Hell to the no
Ken Whisenhunt-Maybe
OC/Offensive Assistants
Darrell Bevell-Worth a look.
Pete Carmichael-Turned us down to be OC twice, maybe the 3rd offer is the charm
Tom Clements-Unless it's Russ Ball, Elliot Wolf, or somebody in that FO I don't want a Green Bay coach
Adam Gase- Worth a look. Sure his success has a lot to do with Manning, but I like the scheme
Russ Grimm-Currently not a coach in the NFL so I'll pass
Jay Gruden-I'd love to give him a look
John Ramsdell-Not in the league right now
Greg Roman-Sure
DC/Defensive Assistants
Todd Bowles-Absolutely worth another look
Vic Fangio- I'd give him a look if he wants one
Perry Fewell-Personally not right now, but I'd be willing to give him a look.
Ray Horton-Love the scheme
Sean McDermott-He'd be on my list of who to look at
Mike Pettine-Worth a look
Rob Ryan-I dunno if he'd get hired, but he absolutely deserves a look
Mike Zimmer-If you like Coyle's scheme (I do even if execution isn't there) you'll like Zimmer
Special Teams Coaches
Dave Toub-Sure
College Coaches
Bill O’Brien-Love the scheme doubt he leaves Happy Valley... or with connections to the school hope he doesn't leave
Brian Kelly-Great mind but not a fit for the NFL
David Shaw-Probably the best fit, but I highly doubt he leaves Stanford
Bob Stoops- Sure... like a decade ago. Now? Hell no
Kevin Sumlin-The irony of bringing in Mike Sherman's replacement at A&M is amusing.
A few other names I'd look at.
Mike Shula OC, Carolina Panthers Sure he wasn't a good coach at Bama, but he's been a good QB coach in the NFL and he's got Cam playing a bit more under control. I dunno if I"d hire him but I'd give him an interview.
Jedd Fisch OC, Jacksonville Jaguars Very good young coach. People may shy away from the Jacksonville connection, but I think he has a bright future ahead of him
Aaron Kromer OC/OL Coach Chicago Bears Comes from Sean Peyton's coaching tree in New Orleans. The Bears have had awful OLs for a long time and he's turned them into one of the better ones this year with 4 new starters including 2 rookies
Mel Tucker DC, Chicago Bears-Fun fact, even with a crappy Jags team for a few years and no pass rush, he had them as the number 3 defense last year. Preaches physical man-to-man defense which I love.
Dan Quinn DC, Seattle Seahawks Our former DL coach under Nick Saban. Learnt from some of the best defensive minds in football and still fairly young at 43.
Big Names
Bill Cowher-Highly doubt it happens if he hasn't come out of retirement yet. Based on what I've heard he's more likely to become a college coach if he decides to come back. Biggest reason I'd want Cowher is he'd probably bring Omar Kahn to us.
Jon Gruden- I could see us pursuing Gruden. I dunno if I want him making personnel decisions though. I do think he could put a decent staff together.
Mike Holmgren- I think the failed tenure as Cleveland's GM has hurt his cause.
Possible HC that could be available at the end of the year
Gary Kubiak-If he's fired I think he takes the year off to get his health under control
Mike Shanahan-Not happening
Recycled Head Coaches
Brian Billick-Doubtful
Dom Capers-Not gonna happen but I wouldn't mind having his defensive scheme back
Jack Del Rio-Maybe... Though I think he's more likely to head to USC
Herm Edwards-Not happening
Eric Mangini-Not Happening
Marty Morningweg-Good offensive mind that I wouldn't mind as OC, but not as a head coach
Josh McDaniels-I think he takes over in New England when Billicheck retires. I do think he'll be a better coach than he showed in Denver though
Marty Schottenheimer-We won't win a playoff game, but he'd set us up with talent.
Lovie Smith-Maybe for his defensive scheme
Norv Turner-Hell to the no
Ken Whisenhunt-Maybe
OC/Offensive Assistants
Darrell Bevell-Worth a look.
Pete Carmichael-Turned us down to be OC twice, maybe the 3rd offer is the charm
Tom Clements-Unless it's Russ Ball, Elliot Wolf, or somebody in that FO I don't want a Green Bay coach
Adam Gase- Worth a look. Sure his success has a lot to do with Manning, but I like the scheme
Russ Grimm-Currently not a coach in the NFL so I'll pass
Jay Gruden-I'd love to give him a look
John Ramsdell-Not in the league right now
Greg Roman-Sure
DC/Defensive Assistants
Todd Bowles-Absolutely worth another look
Vic Fangio- I'd give him a look if he wants one
Perry Fewell-Personally not right now, but I'd be willing to give him a look.
Ray Horton-Love the scheme
Sean McDermott-He'd be on my list of who to look at
Mike Pettine-Worth a look
Rob Ryan-I dunno if he'd get hired, but he absolutely deserves a look
Mike Zimmer-If you like Coyle's scheme (I do even if execution isn't there) you'll like Zimmer
Special Teams Coaches
Dave Toub-Sure
College Coaches
Bill O’Brien-Love the scheme doubt he leaves Happy Valley... or with connections to the school hope he doesn't leave
Brian Kelly-Great mind but not a fit for the NFL
David Shaw-Probably the best fit, but I highly doubt he leaves Stanford
Bob Stoops- Sure... like a decade ago. Now? Hell no
Kevin Sumlin-The irony of bringing in Mike Sherman's replacement at A&M is amusing.
A few other names I'd look at.
Mike Shula OC, Carolina Panthers Sure he wasn't a good coach at Bama, but he's been a good QB coach in the NFL and he's got Cam playing a bit more under control. I dunno if I"d hire him but I'd give him an interview.
Jedd Fisch OC, Jacksonville Jaguars Very good young coach. People may shy away from the Jacksonville connection, but I think he has a bright future ahead of him
Aaron Kromer OC/OL Coach Chicago Bears Comes from Sean Peyton's coaching tree in New Orleans. The Bears have had awful OLs for a long time and he's turned them into one of the better ones this year with 4 new starters including 2 rookies
Mel Tucker DC, Chicago Bears-Fun fact, even with a crappy Jags team for a few years and no pass rush, he had them as the number 3 defense last year. Preaches physical man-to-man defense which I love.
Dan Quinn DC, Seattle Seahawks Our former DL coach under Nick Saban. Learnt from some of the best defensive minds in football and still fairly young at 43.
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I think there is only 4 or 5 guys ALIVE that can handle the true scope of the job ahead. Forget if they are available or not, if you do not get one of these guys we will be forever repeating this cycle.
This organization is at a very critical moment. The right guy salvages what we do have and starts addressing the culture. The wrong guy sets us back 10 years.
I'm sure anyone that went to games when Shula was here understands exactly what I'm talking about. W's and L's truly mean nothing at this point. They are merely masking the smell. We have major issues: culture, leadership, passion, pride, respect, fan ownership and direction.
The next coach has to win to help a few of these problems, but it's only helping, not solving. This organization is no longer attached to its fans, history, legacy, name and city. It has become a systemic problem. No one wants these problems: coaches, gms, players and fans.
There is NO PRIDE in this organization. Merely people standing back and watching this situation spiral out of control and take on its own life. This is not an organization. This is a collection of people looking around at everyone beside them waiting for the person that will take responsibility and lead. We don't need someone to take responsibility for the failure.
We need a man responsible for our rebirth. Direction, pride, respect, responsibility, unwavering devotion and unquestioned leadership. We need workers, but we need a leader. Someone larger than Ross.
We are a critical juncture. Unlike days gone by when we would rebuild starting from scratch, we actually have talent. Regardless what many think, we have a lot of talent. But we lack confidence. Talent responds to leadership; positively and negatively. I'm done with the latter.
This leader needs to be on the field with his team. He needs to experience his men winning and losing. They need to know he is as invested in every game as they are. This is one of the many failures with Tuna. For all that he brought to the table, he lacked passion, genuine leadership and personal involvement. Sitting up in the luxury box while the men he supposedly empowered were on the field enduring the losses. The fans and players don't need to look up to see their leader, they need to look on the field. And we don't need another man who just wants us to fund his retirement.
I've uttered this list a few times and I realize where these men are in life, but there comes a time where a man either is who he is every day of his life or he is not. True coaches never lose the desire to lead men. Find them and do everything you need to do to get them. We have no time for failure. Find the man that will lead us.
Tony Dungy, Bill Cowher, Marty Schottenheimer.
Mike Holmgren didn't just stop coaching, he pursued the FO. That tells me he no longer has it to lead men. For all he was, he had a window and it has passed.
Tony is my pick. He has the ability to sit down with a player and teach him about life. He believes in meeting the man on his level. But he also has the character, knowledge, leadership and respect to put his face on every aspect of the organization. His presence casts a shadow that no one questions.
This has nothing to do with how cozy his life is now. He has mentored some of the most troubled men in the NFL. Leading men is something you either have or don't.
Some say he has retired and doesn't want to coach again. When I watch him on TV, I don't see a man glad he's not coaching. I see a man who takes others failing personally. He is invested in his beliefs and he is a leader. I see frustration in his responses to people quick to judge. He is passionate.
The biggest problem I have is whether or not Ross is capable of getting the man we need. Money and notoriety are one thing, but I've yet to see anything that makes me think Ross can command respect. Let's face it, he's going to go take Goodell's class on NFL Ownership 101. The class starts with "So, you want to own an NFL team?".
If we don't get this right this time, we will have to wait for the next owner before anything will change.
JMHO
This organization is at a very critical moment. The right guy salvages what we do have and starts addressing the culture. The wrong guy sets us back 10 years.
I'm sure anyone that went to games when Shula was here understands exactly what I'm talking about. W's and L's truly mean nothing at this point. They are merely masking the smell. We have major issues: culture, leadership, passion, pride, respect, fan ownership and direction.
The next coach has to win to help a few of these problems, but it's only helping, not solving. This organization is no longer attached to its fans, history, legacy, name and city. It has become a systemic problem. No one wants these problems: coaches, gms, players and fans.
There is NO PRIDE in this organization. Merely people standing back and watching this situation spiral out of control and take on its own life. This is not an organization. This is a collection of people looking around at everyone beside them waiting for the person that will take responsibility and lead. We don't need someone to take responsibility for the failure.
We need a man responsible for our rebirth. Direction, pride, respect, responsibility, unwavering devotion and unquestioned leadership. We need workers, but we need a leader. Someone larger than Ross.
We are a critical juncture. Unlike days gone by when we would rebuild starting from scratch, we actually have talent. Regardless what many think, we have a lot of talent. But we lack confidence. Talent responds to leadership; positively and negatively. I'm done with the latter.
This leader needs to be on the field with his team. He needs to experience his men winning and losing. They need to know he is as invested in every game as they are. This is one of the many failures with Tuna. For all that he brought to the table, he lacked passion, genuine leadership and personal involvement. Sitting up in the luxury box while the men he supposedly empowered were on the field enduring the losses. The fans and players don't need to look up to see their leader, they need to look on the field. And we don't need another man who just wants us to fund his retirement.
I've uttered this list a few times and I realize where these men are in life, but there comes a time where a man either is who he is every day of his life or he is not. True coaches never lose the desire to lead men. Find them and do everything you need to do to get them. We have no time for failure. Find the man that will lead us.
Tony Dungy, Bill Cowher, Marty Schottenheimer.
Mike Holmgren didn't just stop coaching, he pursued the FO. That tells me he no longer has it to lead men. For all he was, he had a window and it has passed.
Tony is my pick. He has the ability to sit down with a player and teach him about life. He believes in meeting the man on his level. But he also has the character, knowledge, leadership and respect to put his face on every aspect of the organization. His presence casts a shadow that no one questions.
This has nothing to do with how cozy his life is now. He has mentored some of the most troubled men in the NFL. Leading men is something you either have or don't.
Some say he has retired and doesn't want to coach again. When I watch him on TV, I don't see a man glad he's not coaching. I see a man who takes others failing personally. He is invested in his beliefs and he is a leader. I see frustration in his responses to people quick to judge. He is passionate.
The biggest problem I have is whether or not Ross is capable of getting the man we need. Money and notoriety are one thing, but I've yet to see anything that makes me think Ross can command respect. Let's face it, he's going to go take Goodell's class on NFL Ownership 101. The class starts with "So, you want to own an NFL team?".
If we don't get this right this time, we will have to wait for the next owner before anything will change.
JMHO
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Dawn Aponte has a great relationship with Eric Mangini.
Tony dungy, Schottenheimer, Bowles. I'd first give Cowher the option of full control, if he passes, see the previous three. If we are going to go young and unproven, I think Bowles should have gotten his chance after Sparano. He's tough minded, good defensive coach, seems like a no-nonsense leader of men. And bring in Whisenhunt to be an OC.
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Todd Bowles is a good man. I wonder if they should have kept that crew together and went fwd. with it. That team was competing with everyone at the end of the year. Sometimes talent is right in your building.
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Hayden, my friend, thanks for posting this. Nice to have a thread about football and looking forward even if it's about blowing everything up. 
We should have hired Marty Schottenheimer years ago. And yeah, I know what his playoff record is. Don't care. This franchise would be in much better shape today than it is.
Chambers brings up Shula, and I think he will get a look just for his name, and also because of what he's doing with Cam Newton, but his record at Alabama was certainly not impressive.
Brian Billick is certainly not realistic given the animosity between him and Steve Ross.
Ken Whisenhunt is an interesting option, I wouldn't be too upset if we gaveh im a look.
And don't laugh, but aside from the infamous 'Chopping Wood' incident, I don't think Jack Del Rio is a punchline. I think he's actually a pretty decent coach.
But realistically, I think Steve Ross is going to have a massive hardon for Jon Gruden, and IMO he is going to take the jump back in this season. Whether or not he lands in Miami will depend on a lot of things, but in all seriousness, we could do worse.
We should have hired Marty Schottenheimer years ago. And yeah, I know what his playoff record is. Don't care. This franchise would be in much better shape today than it is.
Chambers brings up Shula, and I think he will get a look just for his name, and also because of what he's doing with Cam Newton, but his record at Alabama was certainly not impressive.
Brian Billick is certainly not realistic given the animosity between him and Steve Ross.
Ken Whisenhunt is an interesting option, I wouldn't be too upset if we gaveh im a look.
And don't laugh, but aside from the infamous 'Chopping Wood' incident, I don't think Jack Del Rio is a punchline. I think he's actually a pretty decent coach.
But realistically, I think Steve Ross is going to have a massive hardon for Jon Gruden, and IMO he is going to take the jump back in this season. Whether or not he lands in Miami will depend on a lot of things, but in all seriousness, we could do worse.
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Hayden, my friend, thanks for posting this. Nice to have a thread about football and looking forward even if it's about blowing everything up.
We should have hired Marty Schottenheimer years ago. And yeah, I know what his playoff record is. Don't care. This franchise would be in much better shape today than it is.
Chambers brings up Shula, and I think he will get a look just for his name, and also because of what he's doing with Cam Newton, but his record at Alabama was certainly not impressive.
Brian Billick is certainly not realistic given the animosity between him and Steve Ross.
Ken Whisenhunt is an interesting option, I wouldn't be too upset if we gaveh im a look.
And don't laugh, but aside from the infamous 'Chopping Wood' incident, I don't think Jack Del Rio is a punchline. I think he's actually a pretty decent coach.
But realistically, I think Steve Ross is going to have a massive hardon for Jon Gruden, and IMO he is going to take the jump back in this season. Whether or not he lands in Miami will depend on a lot of things, but in all seriousness, we could do worse.
This organization has not had a coach with NFL head coaching experience since Wanny. Enough of hiring position coaches and coordinators with no HC experience. I guess that eliminates Ray Horton from my list. However, Joe Philbin is not a difference maker.
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It's also that playoff record that would drive that man to improve his legacy and not just let it be.
I will take 14-2 and a 1st round playoff loss every year for 10 years just to distance us from where we are now. We need to become credible before we can pursue titles.
For the record on Shula, I don't know if I'd hire him but his work as a QB coach since leaving Bama and now as an OC is worth a look. Some guys aren't made to be college coaches and some aren't made to be pro coaches. They're different animals. Some can do both some can't do either.
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Of your original list oddly I like the idea of Shaw from Stanford. I don't normally go for college coaches but he seems to have it all together. He's a leader, respected, blue collar, tough but still relevant with players, and knows how to win.
You shouldn't look at it that way man. Not having HC experience should not eliminate somebody. You have to turn every stone and go with the best guy for your situation
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Not to take away from what Nick Saban has done at Alabama, but Shula built his first title team for him. Shula took a job no one wanted and was a step or two away from enjoying true success. But as I recall, Shula didn't quite have the charisma and ability to take that team over the top like Saban. And I think that situation shows how men have limitations. Shula does well with fewer distractions, thus his penchant for being a good OC. Saban is a god in college football and in situations where people MUST follow his lead. Saban does not do very well in situations where grown men can exercise the choice to follow him or not.
To reiterate what Hayden said, "Enough of hiring position coaches and coordinators".
We need a real leader of men. Not someone who's reached his ceiling. Someone who has no ceiling.