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You can remove the sleight of hand from contracts, but it doesn’t change the main issue the NFL has.

Player salaries have risen just as fast, or faster, than the salary cap. The amount of money these players get makes it close to impossible to build a competitive team and stay cap compliant. Obviously the Eagles are an extreme example but basically every team with a QB off their rookie contract has to do it to compete.

I agree that players will push hard for these contracts in the next CBA, but it will only make it more difficult for teams to compete. Some players make over $2M a game; a short term IR stint is millions of lost dollars. It’s not like Baseball where there are 162 games and the highest paid player makes ~$400K a game.
The Eagles are only an extreme example bc Howie has obliterated a cap loophole that he's more than willing to mortgage the future for current success, knowing he either won't be here when it implodes or will have to reset it anyone and take the hit during a short rebuild. He's willing to do something in the short-term that other GMs are not....2x the void money of the next team (SF) and 5.5x that of Miami.....and since he drafted so incredibly well, he has the perfect window to do so before it becomes unmanageable.

If the cap didn't have those loopholes, the Eagles would not be having this success because to your point, current salaries, especially for certain positions, would make it impossible to build a team of that nature. Some of their better players would have moved on to other teams for money.
 
The NIL money is getting crazy fast…Cooper Flagg made 28 million last year wtf

Ewers turned down 1 year 8 million to sign a 4 year 4 million dollar contract
 
Why is it sad. The players should be getting paid. You’d rather the mega rich owners make more money or the players the fans actually cheer for? I’ll never understand this thought.

Give the 2nd rounders full guarantee. They deserve it also.

See, it's easy to spend someone else's money, isn't it. - LOL
When are you going to run for congress? - LOL
 
The NIL money is getting crazy fast…Cooper Flagg made 28 million last year wtf

Ewers turned down 1 year 8 million to sign a 4 year 4 million dollar contract
Neither of those numbers is accurate. Everyone is always looking to spin headlines for clicks. Integrity in journalism these days is lacking across the board. Click-bait is here to stay.

The Flagg money was for his New Balance and Fanatics deals....but that's the total money he'll make over the life of those deals. I haven't seen anyone confirm how long they are for. Most guys sign those as rookies but he was able to sign a year early bc of NIL. Those companies will try to grab certain kids early, hoping to get a slight discount.

The Ewers deal was just BS. Most NIL deals being floated around CFB are inflated (some 25-50% overstated)....both by player and/or agent, to drive up prices/clicks and boost ego. Schools can't comment on them bc they haven't been allowed to pay (before now) and the information is not public knowledge, so nobody can ever prove it.
 
You’re spending other peoples money by not wanting players to get paid. You sound more like congress if you’re hoping to line the billionaires pockets by not paying the actual workers as much 🤣🤣🤣🤣
There should be a balance. The league doesn’t exist without owners who have wealth. The league doesn’t exist without players. Perhaps consider guaranteeing 50% of second rounders.
 
There should be a balance. The league doesn’t exist without owners who have wealth. The league doesn’t exist without players. Perhaps consider guaranteeing 50% of second rounders.

The league absolutely would exist without the owners…NCAA doesn’t have owners and is also massive. Money follows players not owners.

There should be a balance. The NFL is the most profitable of all the leagues yet is the only major sports league that are largely not guaranteed contracts while the shortest career time and most long term injuries. Fans think it’s balanced because they worry about the salary cap so they cry when players want more money. Reality is it is very skewed towards owners and league, not the players as a whole. Of course there are the some very highly paid players but that is not the majority.
 
You’re spending other peoples money by not wanting players to get paid. You sound more like congress if you’re hoping to line the billionaires pockets by not paying the actual workers as much 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Someone has "backwards" refined to an art form - or should that be "Fart Form". - LOL
 
:shrug: my hope is that the players win out - that's who I generally side with in contract situations. Just give the kids their damned money. The precedent has already been set by the Texans and then the Browns, so whether it happens this year or next, it's only a matter of time before all 2nd round picks get full guarantees. The league is obviously struggling to accept this new paradigm - that's the whole reason for this standoff. But they're going to have to accept it sooner than later.

Disagree. See Cam Smith.

All joking aside, the players get a little over 48% of revenue. If you guarantee 2nd round picks, then there’s that much less for veterans who have actually proven themselves at NFL level.
 
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Disagree. See Cam Smith.

All joking aside, the players get a little over 48% of revenue. If you guarantee 2nd round picks, then there’s that much less for veterans who have actually proven themselves at NFL level.
Disagreeing doesn't make it any less inevitable.
 
Why is it sad. The players should be getting paid. You’d rather the mega rich owners make more money or the players the fans actually cheer for? I’ll never understand this thought.

Give the 2nd rounders full guarantee. They deserve it also.
you know your take, makes no sense and has no logic.

you do know salary cap right?.. so this means regardless of a contract it in no way affects the owners bottom end right?
look at it like 2 pies, one is the owners, the other gets shaared between players, so no matter what happens with the players pie or how its shared it cannot take from the owners pie, so the only ones that suffer based on the piece size taken from the players pie are the other players.

so in translation mid tier players gettin payed massive contracts only takes away from the amount thats shared between the roster.. because of said salary cap.

so if its 300 million shared between 3 players or 50 players its still at max 300 million.. meaning said owners still make teh same bottom end regardless. so one player, sorry one already millionaire gettin quote on quote paid/ over paid only detracts away from roster quality/ other players being quote on quote paid... so I will never understand this thought.

if this was soccer in the rest of world where you have unlimited budget on contracts then yes it would affect owners bottom end to an extent, but your whole **** the owners profits mentality doesnt work cause the max amount a team spends is always the same regardless of one players contract.. owners will always get the same... so you might wanna look up how salary CAPS work before making such an ignorant take..

like i said middle ground so players should get paid what there worth sure, but in end its still he;lping the team cause cap
and as for the fully guarantied on 2nd rounders.. it doesnt take away from the owners in anyways, all it does is mean your payin an unknown entity in terms of performance all of his money. meanin if he gets injured or sucks the owner doesnt suffer , you didnt spite the owners profits(which is a very ignorant out look btw).. you **** the team and the fans cause then said team doesnt have the money availble to adjust the situation. so again your whole fan favs gettin paid/ **** the owner mind set doesnt benefit at all from your players should get paided mentality, cause theres only so much to go around, only ones sufferin from this mind set are the rosters and in turn the fans, when you cannot put out a good product/ line up
 
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Just some quick research on first round vs second round success rates put 1st round at about 40% reliable starter and 50% of them contributors.
The second round of the NFL has a failure rate of roughly 10%, suggesting a steady decay in steps (remember that the bottom of the first round had a failure rate of 8% and that the top of the first round had a failure rate of 4%). Four-fifths of these players will make it to 5 years in the league, but only 19% will make a Pro Bowl. That’s basically half the rate of the first-rounders, but it’s still respectable.
Guaranteeing second round salary's are foolish IMO. My main reasoning was mentioned before(@zechs), you have smaller "slices of the pie" to distribute through the entire roster, which also includes veteran players that contribute but are not reliable starters.
 
Void years are the biggest joke in both NFL and MLB now. Ohtani's contract is an embarrassment. The Eagles have built a monster mortgaging the next decade. According to a Feb 2025 USA today article, the Eagles were ranked #1 in the NFL in void money, with $390.4M in void years. SF was second, almost $185M less. Miami had $70.6M. Jalen Hurts has ~$100M in void years, AJ Brown with $50M, Lane Johnson, Mailata, Barkley and Smith all $30M+.
It's why their roster is so loaded, they are using salary cap money from 2029 to pay guys now. I think people are going to be shocked when they realise that they may never actually "pay the piper" as they still have between 2-4 drafts before a lot of this come due. They have plenty of time to get cheap talent onboard before they have to eat anything.
 
Just some quick research on first round vs second round success rates put 1st round at about 40% reliable starter and 50% of them contributors.
The second round of the NFL has a failure rate of roughly 10%, suggesting a steady decay in steps (remember that the bottom of the first round had a failure rate of 8% and that the top of the first round had a failure rate of 4%). Four-fifths of these players will make it to 5 years in the league, but only 19% will make a Pro Bowl. That’s basically half the rate of the first-rounders, but it’s still respectable.
Guaranteeing second round salary's are foolish IMO. My main reasoning was mentioned before(@zechs), you have smaller "slices of the pie" to distribute through the entire roster, which also includes veteran players that contribute but are not reliable starters.
exactly this, only thing ****ed by the guarented is the roster.. not the owners

less money to replace injurys/ sign players in postions of need during a season.. guarented money fully to second rounders who have never played a snap is madness
 
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