2nd Rounder for Feeley

[inFINSible]

That is how Spielman felt IMO, based on his comments at the time that is what is sounded like to me, Wash outbid them thankfully for us, tried to trade for Ramsey, they wouldnt hear of it. After that the options were Feeley, Garcia and Warner. Only one of those that had potential for more than a 3 year career with us was AJ. Yes it was a risk, but at the time we had Ricky still before he flaked, they felt that AJ could grow into teh position, had sat and learned and w/ Ricky he would be ready for teh next step. Yes they may have been wrong if AJ doesnt meet the expectations, but you have to admit he has been hit w/ alot of roadblocks since he has gotten here. Wanny who never wanted anyone to actually compete w/ Jay, RS who wanted Feeley, coord who didnt want the job, but wanted it in teh same token. Everyone wanted to call the offense and noone had teh same philosophy.

I think the problems were not in talent evaluations but emergency management. They couldnt figure out how to handle teh adversity, had no contingency plans, no backup plans. In essence the whole 2004 season was a clusterf***, no organization and no leadership. Had they been organized in control, had a solid leadership foundation, then you could have seen if these guys were talented. The worst mistake was Wayne waiting 10 months too long to get Wanny out, he lost that team by the end of 2003, they didnt believe in him anymore.

Don't forget how Wanny went after Feidler and talked him into coming back after Rick had released him and nobody else wanted him. Wanny didn't want AJ and it showed.....(where have I heard that before??).

Nice summary, rro, (jesus, how long have I been writing "ror" when I talk to you??)

 

[jlfin]

Your ignorance is shining right now. You're telling me that AJ was 3rd string because Detmer could hold on to the ball for the kicker??

Let me let you in on a little secret.....if DM went out of the game do to injury, Detmer would have replaced him...end of story. If by some miracle they decided to skip Detmer and go right to AJ then no other QB can enter the game since he's 3rd on the depth chart. Reid would not put himself in that position for a "holder".

This board is getting way to hostile lately

If they skipped Detmer and went to Feeley, that would mean that Feeley would have been activated for the game. Very rarely are 3 QB's activated for one game.
Detmer was activated every week because he holds on FG's. I guess you don't feel that's an important issue for a kicker.
Detmer is also not that bad of a backup, so Reid wouldn't have been putting himself in to bad a position for the balance of ONE game.
Give me a break

 

[jlfin]

LOL, your ignorance is clearly evident. ANDY REID is teh one who SAID it in 2003. Yes in teh intial game Detmer would have replaced DM. That was NEVER the argument. The argument is if DM went out for an extended period, AJ would start the following games. They had Detmer active so he could hold for Akers because he was Akers pick. They have enough confidence in Detmer that he could play the game DM was hurt and then they can keep a qb inactive/emergency, thus freeing an active roster spot for another position. Yes there is a huge debate whether Reid was just saying that or whether it was true, but the fact is that is what was stated. There is no way to prove or disprove that since DM never went out for an extended period. But that was NOT an issue made up on this board.

That is the truth, and it was the accepted consensus around the league. Only someone biased against Feeley would argue that point.

 

[so-long-Ricky]

If they skipped Detmer and went to Feeley, that would mean that Feeley would have been activated for the game. Very rarely are 3 QB's activated for one game.
Detmer was activated every week because he holds on FG's. I guess you don't feel that's an important issue for a kicker.
Detmer is also not that bad of a backup, so Reid wouldn't have been putting himself in to bad a position for the balance of ONE game.
Give me a break

Jeez....I was so ready to let this go but I continue to get quoted and viewed as I was mistaken....which I wasn't. Heres some accurate info that will finally squelch the idea that AJ was the 2nd string:

THE NEWS 12/12
Quarterback A.J. Feeley will make his third consecutive start on Sunday against Washington, the Philadelphia Daily News reported. Head coach Andy Reid announced that "most likely, A.J. will be out there as the starter on Sunday" because Koy Detmer's dislocated left elbow is not healed enough. Feeley said, "Koy is capable of playing, but if Koy were to get hit or just a minor touch here or there, or just falls on it bad, it could go back to square one."


THE NEWS 12/16
Third-string quarterback A.J. Feeley won his third straight game, while Koy Detmer (elbow) made his return to the field on Sunday as a holder for kicker David Akers. "From the standpoint of getting back out there and helping the team, it was a positive step," Detmer told the Philadelphia Inquirer. "This week, we'll definitely evaluate how healthy the elbow is, see what percentage I am, and go from there." Head coach Andy Reid has maintained that Detmer will be the starting quarterback when he is healthy. "At a minimum, I'll be doing the holding and everything," Detmer said. "I'm going to try to get the elbow as healthy as I can, and when the time is right, all the other stuff will happen." The Eagles play Saturday against Dallas

THE NEWS 12/16


Head coach Andy Reid told the Associated Press on Monday that A.J. Feeley will make his fourth consecutive start when the Eagles visit the Cowboys on Sunday. Koy Detmer (elbow) is not ready to return to the starting role. "Koy is being very honest with me," Reid said. "I know there's no game he'd rather start than against the Cowboys because he's going back home, but the fact is he's not ready for that, and he understands that.... I'm not guaranteeing he won't be there for the Giants game, but I just think it'll be a stretch. It's a week-to-week deal."


THE NEWS 12/22
Head coach Andy Reid confirmed on Sunday that quarterback Donovan McNabb (ankle) will not be ready to return for week 17, the Associated Press reported. Reid also said that he has not decided if Koy Detmer (elbow) or A.J. Feeley will be the starter.


THE NEWS 12/30
Quarterback Donovan McNabb (ankle) will continue working out on his own over the next few days, and then he will probably join the team when they resume practice on Thursday, the Philadelphia Daily News reported. Head coach Andy Reid simply said, "If Donovan can jump in there [on Thursday] and go, he'll go." Reid went on to add that if McNabb is not back to full practice by early next week he won't be the starter for the team's first playoff game. "It's not a guarantee, obviously, that he'll play in the game, but he's going to give it his best shot," Reid said. "We'll just see how he progresses.... He's making a huge effort on this thing." If McNabb can't go, Koy Detmer (elbow) would be the team's starter, according to the Daily News.

DONE! :shakeno:

 

[zephon]

while I in no way agreed at the time with giving a 2nd rounder for Feeley, and still don't, one thing that seems to keep getting left out is that 2 other teams were offering 3rd round picks for feeley at the same time....

Again, I thought a 2nd was too much (I would have understood a 3rd at the time) but the front office truly felt the guy had the physical attrubutes, which he does, to be a solid starter for us. He simply doesn't have the mental consistancy that they thought he would have.

I've said this before recently but IF AJ is NOT going to start outright for us this season we should look to trade him for a 4th or whatever we can get for him. Sage can be an decent #2 and I still feel that AJ will eventually become a unhappy non-starter. He's already shown that in interviews he feels that the "competition" hasn't been totally "even". I'd like for him to start. I don't think he's any better than Gus currently. However, if he starts, I feel that by mid season he'll surpass Gus and possibly win an extra game or two that Gus couldn't. I just think that Saban's ego and desire to win EVERY game will not allow him to take a chance on possibly losing an extra game or two while Feeley gains that experience....So trade him off now, before his salary balloons in the offseason and possibly makes it more difficult to trade him and costs us even more to cut him...because when all is said and done...I don't think either AJ or Gus is starting for us next season...Feeley will be gone and Gus will be that backup\tutor to a new guy.

 

[CashInFist]

Not totally true, at least from the standpoint of having a young prospect.

Had we had the Feeley pick back and even the Lamar Gordon third rounder back its very possible Charlie Frye would be here today.

He said standpoint.

 

[jlfin]

Jeez....I was so ready to let this go but I continue to get quoted and viewed as I was mistaken....which I wasn't. Heres some accurate info that will finally squelch the idea that AJ was the 2nd string:

THE NEWS 12/12
Quarterback A.J. Feeley will make his third consecutive start on Sunday against Washington, the Philadelphia Daily News reported. Head coach Andy Reid announced that "most likely, A.J. will be out there as the starter on Sunday" because Koy Detmer's dislocated left elbow is not healed enough. Feeley said, "Koy is capable of playing, but if Koy were to get hit or just a minor touch here or there, or just falls on it bad, it could go back to square one."


THE NEWS 12/16
Third-string quarterback A.J. Feeley won his third straight game, while Koy Detmer (elbow) made his return to the field on Sunday as a holder for kicker David Akers. "From the standpoint of getting back out there and helping the team, it was a positive step," Detmer told the Philadelphia Inquirer. "This week, we'll definitely evaluate how healthy the elbow is, see what percentage I am, and go from there." Head coach Andy Reid has maintained that Detmer will be the starting quarterback when he is healthy. "At a minimum, I'll be doing the holding and everything," Detmer said. "I'm going to try to get the elbow as healthy as I can, and when the time is right, all the other stuff will happen." The Eagles play Saturday against Dallas

THE NEWS 12/16


Head coach Andy Reid told the Associated Press on Monday that A.J. Feeley will make his fourth consecutive start when the Eagles visit the Cowboys on Sunday. Koy Detmer (elbow) is not ready to return to the starting role. "Koy is being very honest with me," Reid said. "I know there's no game he'd rather start than against the Cowboys because he's going back home, but the fact is he's not ready for that, and he understands that.... I'm not guaranteeing he won't be there for the Giants game, but I just think it'll be a stretch. It's a week-to-week deal."


THE NEWS 12/22
Head coach Andy Reid confirmed on Sunday that quarterback Donovan McNabb (ankle) will not be ready to return for week 17, the Associated Press reported. Reid also said that he has not decided if Koy Detmer (elbow) or A.J. Feeley will be the starter.


THE NEWS 12/30
Quarterback Donovan McNabb (ankle) will continue working out on his own over the next few days, and then he will probably join the team when they resume practice on Thursday, the Philadelphia Daily News reported. Head coach Andy Reid simply said, "If Donovan can jump in there [on Thursday] and go, he'll go." Reid went on to add that if McNabb is not back to full practice by early next week he won't be the starter for the team's first playoff game. "It's not a guarantee, obviously, that he'll play in the game, but he's going to give it his best shot," Reid said. "We'll just see how he progresses.... He's making a huge effort on this thing." If McNabb can't go, Koy Detmer (elbow) would be the team's starter, according to the Daily News.

DONE! :shakeno:

Reid kept making excuses to keep Detmer off the field and Feely as his starter. At the time Feeley was regarded around the league as a better prospect than Detmer. However, Detmer had more experience.
The only reason I debate this with you is because you keep referring to Feeley as a "third stringer" in a derogatory manner. The implication being that he is a marginal NFL player. That is clearly not the case.
I don't know if he'll ever be a successful starter in this league (neither do you) but to imply he has no talent is just ridiculous.

 

[so-long-Ricky]

Reid kept making excuses to keep Detmer off the field and Feely as his starter. At the time Feeley was regarded around the league as a better prospect than Detmer. However, Detmer had more experience.
The only reason I debate this with you is because you keep referring to Feeley as a "third stringer" in a derogatory manner. The implication being that he is a marginal NFL player. That is clearly not the case.
I don't know if he'll ever be a successful starter in this league (neither do you) but to imply he has no talent is just ridiculous.

Reid kept Koy off the field for one reason, his injured elbow. Whether or not if other people believed otherwise, that's up to them. I'm just going by what Reid was quoted as saying numerous times.

I have no idea where you got the impression that I was referring to AJ in a derogatory manner. That definitely was not my intention...I actually believe he has some talent but not necessarily as a starter. I think he's destined to be one of those perennial backups. I did refer to him as a 3rd stringer.....because that's what he was. I wasn't belittling him in any way. I was just stating a fact.

As for your comment stating I said or implied AJ has no talent......please tell me where I said that? I think you're putting words in my mouth.

 

[DeathStar]

saban doesn't care that feeley was gotten with a 2nd round pick. it wasn't his pick. its a sunk cost to him.

 

[vinivedivichi]

Reid kept Koy off the field for one reason, his injured elbow. Whether or not if other people believed otherwise, that's up to them. I'm just going by what Reid was quoted as saying numerous times.

I have no idea where you got the impression that I was referring to AJ in a derogatory manner. That definitely was not my intention...I actually believe he has some talent but not necessarily as a starter. I think he's destined to be one of those perennial backups. I did refer to him as a 3rd stringer.....because that's what he was. I wasn't belittling him in any way. I was just stating a fact.

As for your comment stating I said or implied AJ has no talent......please tell me where I said that? I think you're putting words in my mouth.

Feeley fans take offense anytime you mention any part of Feeley's history. He got screwed at Oregon, Philly, and is currently being screwed in Miami. Poor guy.

The fact is, AJ has gotten chances and has not proven anything. We are not talking about a rookie quarterback that needs to take his lumps, Feeley is a veteran if you guys haven't noticed. Besides a strong arm, he has shown nothing. No pocket awareness, he's can't read defenses, and he locks onto receivers.

 

[Fineas]

I am not a Feeley fan and I don't get he impression that the others that have agreed with my initial post are either. But the fact is that there no other great options, either in the draft or FA. Other than throwing out names of completely unproven guys (that Saban could have picked if he felt they were special -- or even good) like Charlie Frye and Kyle Orton, no one had pointed out a course that would have left the fins in a better position now at QB. Frye and Orton may have looked OK this preseason, but so has Brock Berlin. Those guys have also been playing against 3rd team defenses. Second round picks are no guarantee at any position, expecially QB. Drew Brees may be the only 2nd rounder (I can't think of any others now) who is starting for an NFL team, and he was the first pick of the 2nd round and was lousy for several years before he appeared to have broken through last year.