3 completed passes would have changed the tone of this board....

[So Be]

Is there a count or stat for receivers scooping up bad passes and saving a QBs ass?
Probably not.

No there is not, and that is a good point. I do recall Wallace doing that over the middle on a pass behind him. Any others?

 

[jvw]

Mike Wallace Keeps his feet in bounds against the Pats
Dion Sims catches the ball against the Pats
Hartline catches the ball this past Sunday in garbage time....

None of which were these RT's fault, and he would have 6 tds and one pick if everything stayed the same except for those 3 passes
Now there would still be talk of some of his inaccuracies for sure, but people would not be calling for his head.... As unhappy as I am overall, there is still the ability for him to be an above avg qb in this league. Sunday sucked, but we got a revamped line, New offensive scheme, and 14 more games... As much as people have a hate on for RT he can improve with some help. Philbin is right that it's not all on RTs shoulders..

RT is not good enough for it to be all on his shoulders, that I agree....RT has not been the best player on offense in either game this yr (Moreno-Wallace)..I want my QB to be the best on offense at least 75% of time......RT is 0-2 with 14 games left, lets see how he bounces back from a bad game next week, this will show me a lot, last yr after that bad Buffalo game he played just as poor to end the season....I want to see improvement this yr....I want him to bounce back and put up good numbers against a desperate KC team and lead us to a win.....

 

[So Be]

If the ball hits the wrs in the hands then it's 100% on the wr. I don't want to hear any of this crap about a QB making it a difficult catch... if u can get your hands on it You Catch the damn ball. Now the lack of yac can be blamed on a QB with bad ball placement, but to say Tannehill has caused drops or someone to fumble is absolutely ridiculous.

Fair point but, drops happen from the best of the best. We have just had more than our fair share, and some have happened on big plays in important situations. We've all seen receivers pounding the ground and shaking their heads too often this year, knowing that they make that catch 90% of the time.

 

[phins_4_ever]

If the ball hits the wrs in the hands then it's 100% on the wr. I don't want to hear any of this crap about a QB making it a difficult catch... if u can get your hands on it You Catch the damn ball. Now the lack of yac can be blamed on a QB with bad ball placement, but to say Tannehill has caused drops or someone to fumble is absolutely ridiculous.

That is so not true. If the ball hits the receiver in the chest or goes through his arms or hands in fluid motion of the receiver I agree. But as soon as the receiver has to bend and twist a human body can not it becomes the QB's fault.

The best example is Wallace's fumble against the Pats. Wallace moves to the left the ball is thrown behind him. Wallace has to twist his body backwards against the motion to make a catch. He does the minimum rule of two steps to call it a catch while turning back forward but never has the opportunity to tug the ball away and secure it before he gets hit. He has a fumble on his record but it should be on Tannehill's record.

Based on your opinion Ray Lucas should have been an MVP.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Tannenhill literally could have had 5 Touchdown passes against the Bills.

1. Brandon Gibson pivot route.
2. Rishard Matthews slant/crosser route.
3. Brian Hartline dropped bomb.
4. Lamar Miller arrow/flare route.
5. Mike Wallace post route.

I fail to see how the chance to throw 5 touchdown passes is at the fault of Philbin or Lazor. I still believe in Tannenhill though. He is making very good reads and progressions. He just needs to settle down and put it in the right spot.

I don't mean to be a total kiss-ass, but you saying this definitely lifts my spirits. You spit the truth.

That is so not true. If the ball hits the receiver in the chest or goes through his arms or hands in fluid motion of the receiver I agree. But as soon as the receiver has to bend and twist a human body can not it becomes the QB's fault.

The best example is Wallace's fumble against the Pats. Wallace moves to the left the ball is thrown behind him. Wallace has to twist his body backwards against the motion to make a catch. He does the minimum rule of two steps to call it a catch while turning back forward but never has the opportunity to tug the ball away and secure it before he gets hit. He has a fumble on his record but it should be on Tannehill's record.

Based on your opinion Ray Lucas should have been an MVP.

I think the truth lies in the middle. There are definitely cases where a receiver has to adjust to a football at the last second because he did a bad job of tracking it in the air, or didn't go to the right spot, or the QB had to throw around someone, etc. But yes, when those things aren't a factor, the QB needs to deliver a football that hits the receiver in stride.

I would actually go to that throw to Wallace that you pointed out. I agree that the throw was behind and was not a good throw. However, that fumble was on the receiver who failed to secure the football. I think that if the receive can catch, get three feet down, and then begin to execute a football move, he should have the football secured.

Wallace also fumbled on another play (it went out of bounds). I'm a fan of what Mike Wallace has done in the last 6 quarters, but the guy had 2 fumbles and at least one brutal drop (right in the facemask) on 10 total targets against the Patriots. He was definitely having issues with his focus in the 1st half of that game.

 

[Butterfrog 2.0]

That is so not true. If the ball hits the receiver in the chest or goes through his arms or hands in fluid motion of the receiver I agree. But as soon as the receiver has to bend and twist a human body can not it becomes the QB's fault.

The best example is Wallace's fumble against the Pats. Wallace moves to the left the ball is thrown behind him. Wallace has to twist his body backwards against the motion to make a catch. He does the minimum rule of two steps to call it a catch while turning back forward but never has the opportunity to tug the ball away and secure it before he gets hit. He has a fumble on his record but it should be on Tannehill's record.

Based on your opinion Ray Lucas should have been an MVP.

Let's be serious here for a minute shall we? A ball that is caught and the wr turns and makes a couple steps cannot be on the qb. Should it have been a better pass... absolutely, should Wallace have held on to it... Yes, yes he should have. We're not talking about a ball that was bobbled giving the dB extra time to break it up... he caught the damn thing and had possession of it. By your logic any player with possession of the ball is excused if they fumble after a hit in which they "didn't have enough time to tug the ball away" before bracing for the hit.

 

[Austin Tatious]

It's way too early to bail on Tannehill. He has time to get his accuracy under control and then be consistent. It's not enough for him to man up and play well against the Chiefs and Raiders and then lay down again against the Pack and Bears. A team needs to know what its quarterback is going to do, and be consistent. They need to trust him and follow him.

I like Tannehill and his skill set. Yes, there were other problems at RG, some drops, and awful special teams. And, sure, Matt Ryan sucked. That's all deflection. Tannehill didn't play well enough. It is what it is and making excuses and mounting defenses for him aren't going to change that Tannehill hasn't been good enough. It's only two games. He can drive the ball, he works hard, studies, can move around, etc. The accuracy may be mechanical and mental. He has skills and more games to play better. For all of our sakes, let's hope he does. The clock is ticking though because at some point he is going to wake up and be pigeon holed as a backup. He is the one that has to step up.

 

[Fins1971]

The bottom line is the pass to Wallace was inaccurate and shouldn't have been thrown in the first place.
RT17 has those short passing plays and he throws them no matter what. It was obvious wallace wasn't going to have a chance so why throw the ball to him and get him blown up.

Rt17 did the same thin a couple times against Buffalo. It was a screen to Clay behind the line and the play is obviously going nowhere. RT17 throws it anyways and gets Clay killed.
Use you freaking brain and your feet in those situations. Just because they call a screen you don't have to throw it if it is covered. get out of the pocket and see if you can make a play down field or throw it away once you get free of the pocket. That is a 5 yard loss directly on RT17. The fumble was Wallace's fault but if RT17 sees Wallace is going to get blown up and takes off with the ball the fumble never happens.

 

[hoops]

the play design is in fact to clear out the middle of the field and let wallace cross in front of the zone coverage...there's nothing wrong with that decision to throw to wallace...but the ball needs to be placed either on the numbers or to the front shoulder (preferably) so he can collect it and protect himself for the hit...out in front he may have been able to turn up and take the contact more from the side anyways

wallace was trying to from reaching back tuck it in when he got hit...that's on the qb...poor placement...too far inside behind the crossing wr

 

[flynryan15]

Let's be serious here for a minute shall we? A ball that is caught and the wr turns and makes a couple steps cannot be on the qb. Should it have been a better pass... absolutely, should Wallace have held on to it... Yes, yes he should have. We're not talking about a ball that was bobbled giving the dB extra time to break it up... he caught the damn thing and had possession of it. By your logic any player with possession of the ball is excused if they fumble after a hit in which they "didn't have enough time to tug the ball away" before bracing for the hit.

The ball was lodge in Wallace armpit it was behind him and why it was fumble.

 

[SiScotty83]

The issue for me is more Tannehill's persona, body language, confidence etc.

Buffalo is a place that we know is tough. A place he's never won against a top defense. Miami has a talented team but it needed a confident QB leading his team to win there. It needed Tannehill to demand control and throw us to victory. Avoid the rushers, pick out the deep man, put points up. Instead it was kind of same old: tentative in the pocket, not letting the ball go, not launching it and letting Wallace go get it. No screaming at his DL and receivers to fix it. No intensity anywhere. It was all introverted throw and hope stuff. That's not leadership for me. I want a damn QB that fills me with confidence. Someone we just know can and will do it. The type that throws an incomplete or inaccurate pass on the deep ball but then demands another deep route to go again. Tannehill does not fill me with confidence whatsoever and if he isn't filling the fans with confidence, I'm sure as hell he ain't filling the team with it either.

 

[DeathStar]

the what if thread to defend our average QB and average coach...

Gotta love this site.

 

[hoops]

The issue for me is more Tannehill's persona, body language, confidence etc.

Buffalo is a place that we know is tough. A place he's never won against a top defense. Miami has a talented team but it needed a confident QB leading his team to win there. It needed Tannehill to demand control and throw us to victory. Avoid the rushers, pick out the deep man, put points up. Instead it was kind of same old: tentative in the pocket, not letting the ball go, not launching it and letting Wallace go get it. No screaming at his DL and receivers to fix it. No intensity anywhere. It was all introverted throw and hope stuff. That's not leadership for me. I want a damn QB that fills me with confidence. Someone we just know can and will do it. The type that throws an incomplete or inaccurate pass on the deep ball but then demands another deep route to go again. Tannehill does not fill me with confidence whatsoever and if he isn't filling the fans with confidence, I'm sure as hell he ain't filling the team with it either.

yeah i would like more fire myself...for sure...more get it right and hold people accountable...for sure

more i'm the man and i know i'm the man persona...

 

[flynryan15]

yeah i would like more fire myself...for sure...more get it right and hold people accountable...for sure

more i'm the man and i know i'm the man persona...

Maybe we can have a big mirror placed on the sideline, or a Tannehill Fathead so he can yell at himself for all his **** throws?

 

[hoops]

as long as the decision making continues to be damn good i'm not gonna let this stuff get to me too much...if i start seeing the ball sprayed into coverage yeah i'm gonna start questioning some things...the placement of throws though has dropped off this year...and i keep leaning on it will get better in time...it better...somethings different i know that much