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37 Year Old NFL Quarterback

JepheryRoss

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I'm not trying to bash on the new acquisition of Trent Green. He just might be the best fit for Cam's system this year (regardless of Cleo Lemon). He also might groom Beck well for a year. Was he worth a draft pick, absolutely not. But its done with. Lets just hope he only plays 11 games so we dont give up a 4th round pick. However, I'd just like everyone to examine what it means to be a 37 year old quarterback in the nfl (in the 21st century).

The following are veteran QB's in the league. I'd like you to take note of what year it would be if they play at the age of 37.

MARK BRUNNELL - 2007
BRETT FAVRE - 2006
TRENT DILFER - 2009
BRAD JOHNSON - 2005
CHARLIE BATCH - 2011
AARON BROOKS - 2013
KERRY COLLINS - 2009
STEVE MCNAIR - 2010
JON KITNA - 2009
GUS FREROTTE - 2008
JAKE PLUMMER - 2011
KURT WARNER - 2008

Now I think the most comparible quarterbacks in this list are Mark Brunnell, Brad Johnson, Kerry Collins, and Jake Plummer.

First of all. None of these quarterbacks are starters. In fact, each one lost their starting job last year. Sound familiar? Trent Green just lost his starting job. Except somehow here in Miami he's not just starting material but he's worth valueable draft picks. We must know something that Washington, Minnesota, Tennessee, and Denver didn't know about rusty old qb's.

No matter how you look at it, its simply bad management.

Do i think we had any better options for the 2007 season. Not really. It'd be quite a risk to start Cleo Lemon and Daunte just simply doesnt fit the system that Cam Cameron would like to install. Its good that we have our future QB here and learning. Trent is a good qb, but he's old and his starting days ARE behind him. As long as we protect him and dont ask him to do much I'm willing to give him 11 games. But I dont care if we have a winning season or not, we are no Superbowl contender so he's not worth giving up a 4th round pick.

The best franchise in the league (New England, San Diego, Pittsburgh) build through the draft and its time we stop throwing away picks like they're baseball cards.
 
I dont think anybody thinks Green is a long term solution nor worth a 4th rounder...but I dont think we are "throwing away picks like they're baseball cards." Realistically, we may NOT be superbowl contenders, but who knows. If Green can have a productive season, and out defense holds up as it should, who is to say we cannot make a run at the playoffs. We ARE building through the draft....have you heard of John Beck??? Last time I checked he was drafted in the 2nd round. Remember Tom Brady? Do you really think NE had him on their mind as being the next Joe Montana when they took him in the 6th?

We are not used to Cam Cameron style offense here because after Shula, we went through a stretch of poor coaches. I hope Cam pans out but the reality is he is building a team that we are not familiar with offensively. Ginn as the 1st pick, no more Culpepper, etc.. We are moving in a different direction and hopefully Green can be the man until Beck proves worthy. Plummer was the fill for Denver until Cutler was able to take over late in the season.
 
Choosing Green is a short term solution, the solution for Cam's problems he must win immediately.
But its not the best solution for Miami
 
I agree we gave up too much for Green, but those QBs on your list... if they aren't starting, it's not due to their age, it's due to their skill level.

Can we just fast-forward to when Beck is starting? Hopefully in time for tea and crumpets in London? That way, we minimize the damage by giving only a 5th to KC, and we'll have a guy under center that actually improves our future at QB.
 
Simone007 said:
Choosing Green is a short term solution, the solution for Cam's problems he must win immediately.
But its not the best solution for Miami
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This is true.

Its basically a tough situation. In the past we brought in a lot of defensive minded coaches. Therefor we didnt take a lot of risks at QB we just continually tried to fill the void while making an impact on the other side of the ball to win. Now we've brough in an offensive coach and he wants a specific player to fit the system and apparantly Trent was the only qb of any value that he (Cam) was interested in. It just so happened we invested alot the previous year in a big name QB and now we have to dump that all off because it doesnt fit our new coaches system.

So lets hunker down and hope for the best.

In the mean time I think the 3 most important things for next year are the following

1. Vernon Carey has a solid season at LT and plays every game at the position

2. Jason Allen develops into a legit player in our secondary

3. Ted Ginn makes some game changing plays and brings excitement back to our franchise
 
When you have Beck being groomed... Green for the forseeable future is good management..

Why do people always expect every guy we bring in to lead us for 15 years!

The QB of the 'future' has either been drafted or will be drafted.
 
Canadianfishfan said:
When you have Beck being groomed... Green for the forseeable future is good management..

Why do people always expect every guy we bring in to lead us for 15 years!
The QB of the 'future' has either been drafted or will be drafted.
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Because we are TIRED of bringing in guys that lead us for ONE year. THAT'S WHY!
 
Choosing Green is a short term solution, the solution for Cam's problems he must win immediately.
But its not the best solution for Miami
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it is the best solution for miami. green is going to prove to be invaluable to the mentoring of beck. the fact that we win now is a plus. we now have 2 QBs going into camp familiar with the offense and a rookie waiting in the wings. when is the last time that happened? what would have been better? taking a risk and hoping that cpepp was fully recovered? or that he could learn this offense? if the coaches truly believed that cpepp was back to his pro bowl form or could really grasp camerons offense then they wouldnt have traded for trent green.
 
JepheryRoss said:
I'm not trying to bash on the new acquisition of Trent Green. He just might be the best fit for Cam's system this year (regardless of Cleo Lemon). He also might groom Beck well for a year. Was he worth a draft pick, absolutely not. But its done with. Lets just hope he only plays 11 games so we dont give up a 4th round pick. However, I'd just like everyone to examine what it means to be a 37 year old quarterback in the nfl (in the 21st century).

The following are veteran QB's in the league. I'd like you to take note of what year it would be if they play at the age of 37.

MARK BRUNNELL - 2007
BRETT FAVRE - 2006
TRENT DILFER - 2009
BRAD JOHNSON - 2005
CHARLIE BATCH - 2011
AARON BROOKS - 2013
KERRY COLLINS - 2009
STEVE MCNAIR - 2010
JON KITNA - 2009
GUS FREROTTE - 2008
JAKE PLUMMER - 2011
KURT WARNER - 2008

Now I think the most comparible quarterbacks in this list are Mark Brunnell, Brad Johnson, Kerry Collins, and Jake Plummer.

First of all. None of these quarterbacks are starters. In fact, each one lost their starting job last year. Sound familiar? Trent Green just lost his starting job. Except somehow here in Miami he's not just starting material but he's worth valueable draft picks. We must know something that Washington, Minnesota, Tennessee, and Denver didn't know about rusty old qb's.

No matter how you look at it, its simply bad management.

Do i think we had any better options for the 2007 season. Not really. It'd be quite a risk to start Cleo Lemon and Daunte just simply doesnt fit the system that Cam Cameron would like to install. Its good that we have our future QB here and learning. Trent is a good qb, but he's old and his starting days ARE behind him. As long as we protect him and dont ask him to do much I'm willing to give him 11 games. But I dont care if we have a winning season or not, we are no Superbowl contender so he's not worth giving up a 4th round pick.

The best franchise in the league (New England, San Diego, Pittsburgh) build through the draft and its time we stop throwing away picks like they're baseball cards.
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This is a well thought-out analysis, and I respect it. but New England's been throwing draft picks around like frisbees recently. More on that later.
 
Because we are TIRED of bringing in guys that lead us for ONE year. THAT'S WHY!
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and now cameron has put us in the best position to have stability at QB. this is hands down the most stable our qb position has been in a long time.
 
tyson22 said:
it is the best solution for miami. green is going to prove to be invaluable to the mentoring of beck. the fact that we win now is a plus. we now have 2 QBs going into camp familiar with the offense and a rookie waiting in the wings. when is the last time that happened? what would have been better? taking a risk and hoping that cpepp was fully recovered? or that he could learn this offense? if the coaches truly believed that cpepp was back to his pro bowl form or could really grasp camerons offense then they wouldnt have traded for trent green.
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Beck does not need another QB as a coach. The coaching staff of the team should be more than enough.

What happens if Beck is a bust or if hes slow to develop? Culpepper can give the dolphins 2/3 solid years. Green is the past, Culpepper can be the immediate future
 
Hmm let's see. We don't have a starting QB. What do you want us to do? We already drafted one, so that's done. We have two QBs already, one a backup and one disabled until proven otherwise. So, unless you know of starting caliber QBs available TODAY then, ah, what did you expect us to do and how?

We didn't 'throw away drat picks'. We used a 5th rounder, whoohooo, and it may turn into a 4th rounder IF GREEN DOES WELL. Which, yea, I can see Green doing well would suck and we'd lose a draft pick on a player with 50% odds he gets cut or ends up on the practice squad.

Dumb thread, I hate this whine. If you don't trade players, or get them in FA, you HAVE to use draft picks. AND after seeing what Mueller did this past offseason ANY idea that he is WASTING draft picks is ******ed.

Cam wants to compete now, and who better to teach our FUTURE QB, THAT WE DRAFTED, then a vet that knows Cams system and has success in the NFL? Sounds like a WISE move to me, not a waste of a pick at all.
 
Simone007 said:
Beck does not need another QB as a coach. The coaching staff of the team should be more than enough.

What happens if Beck is a bust or if hes slow to develop? Culpepper can give the dolphins 2/3 solid years. Green is the past, Culpepper can be the immediate future
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Wrong. Beck gets to see how the QB runs Cams system. A coach coaches, a player plays. Beck needs to see how to run the plays, how to make the decisions, which work, which don't, when to react and how. Coaches don't coach that, playing the game does. And because Beck can't play the game, he can learn by watching someone who can.

CPep has NO future until he has demonstrated that he is fully recovered. Then, he has to prove that he can run Cam's offense. Ah, I'd say we have better odds with Green who is a healthy and b. knows the system.
 
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