4-3 Under

[DPhinz_DPhinz]

I dunno if this has been posted before, but I would like to know how effective this defense could be with the current personnel, including TJ Mc Donald and a 1st round pick such as Tyus Bowser...or Hassan Reddick as the SAM?

How would it change our draft strategy? Does CB become a prized position...or do we ride with Maxwell and his familiarity with the system...giving us the option to get a replacement for Wake...who may have to move to the other side?

Again, if it's been posted...leave your sarcastic comment and go to the next thread.

 

[j-off-her-doll]

I dunno if this has been posted before, but I would like to know how effective this defense could be with the current personnel, including TJ Mc Donald and a 1st round pick such as Tyus Bowser...or Hassan Reddick as the SAM?

How would it change our draft strategy? Does CB become a prized position...or do we ride with Maxwell and his familiarity with the system...giving us the option to get a replacement for Wake...who may have to move to the other side?

Again, if it's been posted...leave your sarcastic comment and go to the next thread.

I think Miami has made it clear that it wants to stick with the Over. I VASTLY prefer the Under front, and I know some other posters do as well - SoS comes to mind.

Bowser and Watt would be excellent SLB's in Under D's. I dislike the Over. Unless you're willing to adapt or have special talents, it removes pass rushers from your board. Luckily, Bowser and Watt are special talents, and they'd also be fine SLB's in an Over. If Willis is off the board, Miami should strongly consider drafting one of those two. Brugler had Bowser to Miami at 22 and Willis at 54, and that's about as good as it gets.

 

[hoops]

Drafting bowser or watt in this scheme is a massive whiff

 

[j-off-her-doll]

Drafting bowser or watt in this scheme is a massive whiff

But Harris, who is lighter than Watt, and was only 1lb heavier than Bowser at his Pro Day, is a great fit, right?

 

[Digital]

First, I agree, I prefer the under as well ... or any number of 34 alignments.

Although, we don't have 34 personnel, we aren't really all that far off. Here is what I mean. Wake could play a 43 rush end or a 34 rush LB. And he probably doesn't have that many years left so think of this as the chance to get his 34 replacement over the next couple of years.

It wouldn't be an ideal fit for Suh, but he could be very productive in a 34 as well. We would need a NT and at least one more 34 DE. Our LB's would be fine. Kiko is versatile enough, and Timmons is only a 2 year stopgap anyway. I suspect we will draft a LB, and getting someone like TJ Watt would be a great move. He would solidify vital OLB spot and we could move him around a bit.

Our secondary is about as good with any of these fronts honestly, but would benefit most from a 34 pass rush.

With one draft we can make the switch, but it's much more likely next year when we can use FA to get the DL.

Given the high amount of talent we have on defense (Suh, Wake, Jones, etc.), we are already under performing rather dramatically. I'm not sure switching systems would really hurt us that much in the short term, and would probably benefit us in the long run.

We can't stop the run, our LB's can't cover, and outside of Wake and an interior lineman (Suh), we don't really have much of a pass rush.

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[hoops]

But Harris, who is lighter than Watt, and was only 1lb heavier than Bowser at his Pro Day, is a great fit, right?

Harris is best on tape in a 3 point stance...its that simple

Hes not ideal 43 de either and i never said he was...just that his 3 point stance play looks more than about run d poa driven

You arent drafting watt or bowser to miami for ideal fits schematically...which is where your grade should come from in the first place

And yeah im calling it a whiff cause schematically frankly you are way off here

 

[j-off-her-doll]

Harris is best on tape in a 3 point stance...its that simple

Hes not ideal 43 de either and i never said he was...just that his 3 point stance play looks more than about run d poa driven

You arent drafting watt or bowser to miami for ideal fits schematically...which is where your grade should come from in the first place

And yeah im calling it a whiff cause schematically frankly you are way off here

Miami's SLB, currently, was a DE in college. Watt and Bowser are superior athletes with more LB experience entering the NFL.

 

[hoops]

Miami's SLB, currently, was a DE in college. Watt and Bowser are superior athletes with more LB experience entering the NFL.

Doesnt matter they are both sub edge rushers which helps carry their grade and miami doesnt rush the strong side lb on the edge in the sub

It takes it off the field...barring changes that i havent seen and gase even said at the nfl meetings we are a 3 off the los lb defense this is a bad return on the draft investment

Are the players worth it sure i dont disagree but schematically its not what we do...so we are miscasting these kids out the gate...that said if miami drafts either we damn well better be adjusting to an off the los 2 down strong and plan a sub edge

But if thats the case you arent sniffing deatrick wise and taco charlton or paying andre branch more than 2 down money

At the end of the day as an evaluator all i care about is miami as in what fits what i do and what helps me the most...i could care less about anything else...and barring miami doing a complete 180 in terms of asks of its lb level this is a massive failure in terms of return on draft value assets

 

[DPhinz_DPhinz]

First, I agree, I prefer the under as well ... or any number of 34 alignments.

Although, we don't have 34 personnel, we aren't really all that far off. Here is what I mean. Wake could play a 43 rush end or a 34 rush LB. And he probably doesn't have that many years left so think of this as the chance to get his 34 replacement over the next couple of years.

It wouldn't be an ideal fit for Suh, but he could be very productive in a 34 as well. We would need a NT and at least one more 34 DE. Our LB's would be fine. Kiko is versatile enough, and Timmons is only a 2 year stopgap anyway. I suspect we will draft a LB, and getting someone like TJ Watt would be a great move. He would solidify vital OLB spot and we could move him around a bit.

Our secondary is about as good with any of these fronts honestly, but would benefit most from a 34 pass rush.

With one draft we can make the switch, but it's much more likely next year when we can use FA to get the DL.

Given the high amount of talent we have on defense (Suh, Wake, Jones, etc.), we are already under performing rather dramatically. I'm not sure switching systems would really hurt us that much in the short term, and would probably benefit us in the long run.

We can't stop the run, our LB's can't cover, and outside of Wake and an interior lineman (Suh), we don't really have much of a pass rush.

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If we gave Suh his same 3 tech responsibilities, how bad could it be?

Phillips played right over the center at Oklahoma...well enough to get drsfted in the 2nd round.

 

[j-off-her-doll]

Doesnt matter they are bith sub edge rushers which ehlps csrry their grade and miami doesnt rush the strong side lb on the edge in the sub

It takes it off the field...barring changes that i havent seen and gase even said at the nfl meetings we are a 3 off the los lb defense this is a bad retun on the draft investment

You can have 3 LB off the LOS and still rush the SLB off the edge on passing downs. Denver ran some Over with Miller, as did Seattle with Irvin.

If Miami is unwilling to look at pass rushers who can also play LB, I agree, it'd be a waste at 22. But, it's silly to bypass talent for the sake of rigidity. Athletically, these guys can do everything Reddick can, and they match up better with TE's.

 

[hoops]

You can have 3 LB off the LOS and still rush the SLB off the edge on passing downs. Denver ran some Over with Miller, as did Seattle with Irvin.

If Miami is unwilling to look at pass rushers who can also play LB, I agree, it'd be a waste at 22. But, it's silly to bypass talent for the sake of rigidity. Athletically, these guys can do everything Reddick can, and they match up better with TE's.

You can call it rigid i call it scheme asks...and if they were so hell bent on that return they wouldnt have brought back koa at a reduced rate and more guaranteed money...its possible they are just hedging bets with him which i get but he fills their scheme asks of the position or they wouldnt have offered him a restructure

I just read tea leaves...

And adam gase at the owners meetings wasnt much of a poker player

 

[DKphin]

Didn't Burke already state that we are going to use the same wide 9 scheme? So all this discussion about whether using an over or under alignment is moot. Our backers are going to be in an over alignment unless we do something we did not do last year(or at least it seemed as though we did not) and use sub packages.

 

[foozool13]

You do not draft a 4-3 OLB in round 1, especially a SAM LB who goes off the field in nickel packages. Round 1 is for players that are going to be playing 90-100% not 50%. You can find 4-3 OLBs in later rounds.

 

[SCLSU Mud Dogs]

You can have 3 LB off the LOS and still rush the SLB off the edge on passing downs. Denver ran some Over with Miller, as did Seattle with Irvin.

If Miami is unwilling to look at pass rushers who can also play LB, I agree, it'd be a waste at 22. But, it's silly to bypass talent for the sake of rigidity. Athletically, these guys can do everything Reddick can, and they match up better with TE's.

Gotta go with you on this one.

 

[Salsatime]

You do not draft a 4-3 OLB in round 1, especially a SAM LB who goes off the field in nickel packages. Round 1 is for players that are going to be playing 90-100% not 50%. You can find 4-3 OLBs in later rounds.

So Forrest Lamp it is? Guaranteed 90%+ playing time. Where else on this team could somebody we take in the first, be able to step in and play right away dominating the snap count early?