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Dolphins12thMan

Dolphins12thMan

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I think its time for us to grow some balls and start going for it on 4th down, especially less than a yard. We have a #1 draft pick at left tackle and at this point I am assuming we have no confidence in gaining a freaking foot! Instead we punt the ball, and with our stellar secondary, teams just move the ball down in 3 or 4 plays back to where we just punted the ball from. Twice against the Texans (1 inch and 10 inches) and once (that I can remember:beer1:) against the Ravens. Sorry for the rant, but when our D doesnt seem like they can get off the field, or when they finally do we end up losing the field position battle anyway, enough is enough already!
 
I think its time almost every coach started getting some balls on some of these 4th and shorts where the chances of getting a first down are extremely in the offenses favor.
 
thats not how football is played. You don't call your offense in an attempt to save the defense. You just hope the defense can do its job. We're untalented, we're going to lose games because of it. Just sit tight. Eventually we won't be untalented.

besides, we usually get in 4th in short cause we werent able to pick up the 3rd and short. so really, the offense is as much to blame as the defense.
 
This was Year 1 in the Re-do OVER the Roster....really a Throw away year....
The Next 2 Years...are where IT starts to BUILD....
 
I think it was the New England game where we went for and converted at least one fourth down and I was wishing we would have went for it Sunday.

P.S. anyone pissed about the game right now lol I'm turning it off now it's making me sick... :stitches:
 
Dolphins12thMan said:
I think its time for us to grow some balls and start going for it on 4th down, especially less than a yard. We have a #1 draft pick at left tackle and at this point I am assuming we have no confidence in gaining a freaking foot! Instead we punt the ball, and with our stellar secondary, teams just move the ball down in 3 or 4 plays back to where we just punted the ball from. Twice against the Texans (1 inch and 10 inches) and once (that I can remember:beer1:) against the Ravens. Sorry for the rant, but when our D doesnt seem like they can get off the field, or when they finally do we end up losing the field position battle anyway, enough is enough already!
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NO ****!!!! what makes it worse is watching New England do the EXACT opposite and put this game tonight AWAY early because they go for it on fourth and one. yet we play conservative and put our terrible secondary and banged up (ferguson) dline on the field....makes no sense....time for sparano to grow some BALLS!!!
 
CitizenSnips said:
thats not how football is played. You don't call your offense in an attempt to save the defense. You just hope the defense can do its job. We're untalented, we're going to lose games because of it. Just sit tight. Eventually we won't be untalented.

besides, we usually get in 4th in short cause we werent able to pick up the 3rd and short. so really, the offense is as much to blame as the defense.
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bah! That's a cop-out.

The reason football is played in the way you describe is because coaches are too scared of making the wrong choice and they take the "safe" approach. However, this makes no sense.

Your offense has FOUR DOWNS to get it to go 10-yards. Fear of coaches looking stupid is the only reason why we've defaulted to three downs. If you're in your opponents field, and not close enough for a FG, why not try for the LESS THAN A YARD when the opportunity come up. If a play is designed for a small gain the offense will win almost every time. If you do that, you increase your chance of getting at least three points tremendously. If you don't, then so what? You're opponent begins at the 40 instead of almost always at the 20 yard line....big whoop, that should still be enough field for your defense to do its job.
 
ThunderDan13 said:
bah! That's a cop-out.

The reason football is played in the way you describe is because coaches are too scared of making the wrong choice and they take the "safe" approach. However, this makes no sense.

Your offense has FOUR DOWNS to get it to go 10-yards. Fear of coaches looking stupid is the only reason why we've defaulted to three downs. If you're in your opponents field, and not close enough for a FG, why not try for the LESS THAN A YARD when the opportunity come up. If a play is designed for a small gain the offense will win almost every time. If you do that, you increase your chance of getting at least three points tremendously. If you don't, then so what? You're opponent begins at the 40 instead of almost always at the 20 yard line....big whoop, that should still be enough field for your defense to do its job.
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we're usualy not on their side of the field. The majority of the time we're on ours. You don't run the risk of giving the opposing team the ball at the forty, especially when your not running the ball well. Which, aside from two games this season, we haven't.
 
CitizenSnips said:
thats not how football is played. You don't call your offense in an attempt to save the defense. You just hope the defense can do its job. We're untalented, we're going to lose games because of it. Just sit tight. Eventually we won't be untalented.

besides, we usually get in 4th in short cause we werent able to pick up the 3rd and short. so really, the offense is as much to blame as the defense.
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according to who thats not how the game is played??? and even if it is, it doesnt mean thats how the game SHOULD be played. You could do a statistical analysis of this problem and I GUARANTEE the results would play out that going for it on 4th and 1 from the other side of the 50 results in more wins than punting the ball. It doesnt matter that teams tend to punt. its the wrong move....especially when their punter cant punt the ball OUT OF BOUNDS inside the 10 (which most cant for some ridiculous reason).

funny how new england has figured this out and consistently DOES GO FOR IT in these situations....they happened to put the game away TONIGHT by doing EXACTLY that instead of punting...allowed them to go up 20-0 took the will from denver.

Think maybe if belicheck has invested some time in the taping of walk-throughs to gain an edge...that he hasnt also done an analysis of this as well??? funny they seem to like going for it in these situations. maybe its just conventional thinking has it wrong
 
ThunderDan13 said:
bah! That's a cop-out.

The reason football is played in the way you describe is because coaches are too scared of making the wrong choice and they take the "safe" approach. However, this makes no sense.

Your offense has FOUR DOWNS to get it to go 10-yards. Fear of coaches looking stupid is the only reason why we've defaulted to three downs. If you're in your opponents field, and not close enough for a FG, why not try for the LESS THAN A YARD when the opportunity come up. If a play is designed for a small gain the offense will win almost every time. If you do that, you increase your chance of getting at least three points tremendously. If you don't, then so what? You're opponent begins at the 40 instead of almost always at the 20 yard line....big whoop, that should still be enough field for your defense to do its job.
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you are dead on with this one. the other guy just wants to be right but he has no point
 
Heres a little fuel for the debate: 97 out of 167 (69%) on 4th down for the entire NFL


A lot depends on the situation.
 
Dolphins12thMan said:
I think its time for us to grow some balls and start going for it on 4th down, especially less than a yard. We have a #1 draft pick at left tackle and at this point I am assuming we have no confidence in gaining a freaking foot! Instead we punt the ball, and with our stellar secondary, teams just move the ball down in 3 or 4 plays back to where we just punted the ball from. Twice against the Texans (1 inch and 10 inches) and once (that I can remember:beer1:) against the Ravens. Sorry for the rant, but when our D doesnt seem like they can get off the field, or when they finally do we end up losing the field position battle anyway, enough is enough already!
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I totally agree man..., this is nota season to play it close to your chest..., we lost the Texans game because the coaches lost their balls the balls they found during the two game win stretch where they had NE and SD playing off balance... then VS. Texas more so than the Ravens we went all conservative at the mid-field mark and gave up the ball... This current team has everything to win and nothing to lose we already doubled our win total from last year..., so you go or 4th and 1 at midfield as your "D" cannot stop anything...
 
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