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5 players that we cannot afford to lose to injury this year

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I always hope for an injury free season but in the NFL thats pretty damn impossible. These are the five players in order of importance that I think would affect us the most if they were lost to injury this season. This list is very much about the depth of the positions on this team.

1-Jason Ferguson NT- Definately not an elite NT by any means but he is effective at what he is supposed to do. He is getting to the age where players get more and more injury prone. Behind him we have basically zilch. Maybe a guy that is good for a play or two but nonone that is close to a starting 3-4 NT in the NFL. Hopefully we will address this position in the next draft and hopefully that will not be a year too late. Paul Solai has shown very little that would have you see him as a solid replacement for Ferguson and the rest of our guys are even more raw. When your suspensions rival your tackles thats not a good thing. Beyond him we have the rawwest of the raw and a couple of undersized guys that are not good 3-4 types. The NT is key to our defense and 2007 showed what happens when that position is not effective.

2-Jake Grove- Grove has been very injury prone through out his career and takes over for a guy that was very durable. The only player that scares me more than seeing Solai as a starter is Joe Berger who has bounced around the league and collected inactive time. Grove should be a major key in establishing our run game this season and Im not sure any position on our team has as huge a chasm of dropoff that this position has. I do think NT is more important and harder to replace so I rank this second.

3- Jake Long- We are probably one of the few teams that could line up a decent LT if our LT were to go down but the negative impact would be felt so much on both sides of the line it would be very hard to overcome.Moving Carey over would be a solid band aid although Carey is far from the LT that Long is . The depth at tackle would definately hurt us as its basically nonexistant.

4-Will Allen- Being that he is the only proven good CB in the secondary, we definately need him to stay healthy. Not sure anybody wants two rookies starting this season even if both seem like very good players down the line. With Allen in the lineup we can make both rookies more effective and have mentor type player to teach them as they play. Beyond the rookies not sure any of the other players are dependable at all. Eric Green in shorts has not been effective and Jason Allen always looks the part and plays more like an undrafted free agent than a first round pick. Im not sure Allen would start in the CFL. Im half serious on that.

5-Anthony Fasano- Fasano showed alot of potential last season and at times was our best receiver on the field. He was a player known much more for his blocking and showed he can be a very good all around TE in some serious spurts last season. I look forward to more growth from Fasano and absolutely love TE's that can do what a TE is supposed to be able to do.
Never a huge fan of Te's that are described as poor blockers, thats like a FB that cannot block, mind boggling lol. There lies the problem if Fasano gets hurt. None of the other TE's are good two way players. Martin played shockingly well for him last year but I cringe thinking of him as a starter and he is also coming off of injury. He has never been a a good blocker but I saw better effort as a blocker last year. Beyond these guys seem to be only practice squad dummies.

Im sure that there could be an arguement made for alot of players but these concern me the most and the next on the list would have been Crowder. Im confident that Henne and Williams would do solid jobs if needed and all of our receivers are pretty even so I think they could pick up the slack if needed. The guards worry me but its not like we did not have this happen before and overall I think guard depth will be better than tackle and center depth.
 
nice. i agree with all that. i'd almost put crowder in the top 5 but it's hard to pick one of those to bump. bell is up there as well. i sincerely hope we can stay as healthy as we did last year.
 
Can NOT get injured:
1. Jason Ferguson
2. Jake Grove
(2 1/2. Anthony Fasano - Almost forgot him)

Hopefully they dont get injured:
3. Will Allen
4. Ronnie Brown

Ehh:
5. Channing Crowder
 
nice. i agree with all that. i'd almost put crowder in the top 5 but it's hard to pick one of those to bump. bell is up there as well. i sincerely hope we can stay as healthy as we did last year.

We could get by without Crowder no way is he top 5.

Nice list dlockz I agree.
 
We could get by without Crowder no way is he top 5.

Nice list dlockz I agree.


Our biggest problem with Crowder is Torbor showed nothing last year.
I have much more faith in Torbor than any of the 5 people I listed apparent backups.
 
I like the thread idea.

For me it's a tough topic...because there are guys out there that I feel positive that I know we can't lose them...and then there are guys that I'm just really not sure on.

If we lose Jake Long, I feel like I know what the consequences are and I do *not* like them. I feel like I know what the consequences would be if we lost Ronnie Brown, and I don't like them at all. I think I agree with the Anthony Fasano thing because nobody working behind him is a proven blocker at the position and it would mean Miami has to start using a lot more multiple-WR formations, and that would put a cramp in the week to week game planning. Losing Justin Smiley hurt a lot. I feel like we know what happens when we lose Justin Smiley, and it isn't pretty. What happens if we lose Matt Roth? I'll tell you what, a big hit to our run defense. Who replaces him? Jason Taylor? Charlie Anderson? Cameron Wake? Can any of those guys play over Tight End and Right Tackle, and defend the run to the strong side? I doubt it.

However, if we lost Jason Ferguson...the results are a total mystery to me because Paul Soliai is a total mystery to me. He really has made plays and looked very good at times, but then he keeps falling out of favor because of his weight. And when Randy Starks was forced to play the position against Baltimore, he didn't look half-bad, and he actually gave the vaunted Jason Brown some trouble on some plays.

If we lost Will Allen, that would be bad...but how bad? That's still up in the air because Miami has two corners in Sean Smith and Vontae Davis that are highly regarded, and not looking half-bad so far in camps.

If we lost Chad Pennington, that would be HUGE. He was the heart and soul of this football team during its improbable turnaround a year ago. But, Chad Henne's looked pretty good, and the coaches believe he's the future. That's a big question mark.

If we lost either of the safeties, we really don't know what Tyrone Culver or Chris Clemons would do in their place, relative to Yeremiah Bell or Gibril Wilson. There's reason to like both backups.

Even the Channing Crowder/Reggie Torbor situation is somewhat of a mystery because of Torbor's lack of playing time. When he played during preseason I remember thinking this guy plays fast, loose and wreckless, but I bet he could make big plays. What if this season, his second in the system, he starts to really channel that wreckless ability better and just make plays while also being in the right spots?

I haven't seen enough of the 2009 version of Joe Berger to know whether losing Jake Grove would be devastating. What I do know is that the last time Berger was in Dolphins camp he looked very much like he would end up the starting Center, but then he got hurt. In Dallas, they happened to have a very good Center in front of him by the name of Andre Gurode.

Until we see more out of Anthony Armstrong, losing Ted Ginn would actually be a problem for this offense. I say that because Ginn serves an important function. Pennington is a guy that absolutely needs some breathing room underneath the umbrella in order to operate. Ginn helps provide that. He keeps his safety and corner spaced pretty long. Nobody we could put in the game for Ginn, save possibly Armstrong, can serve that function.

Here are the top losses I *know* would be costly:

1. Jake Long
2. Ronnie Brown
3. Matt Roth
4. Justin Smiley
5. Anthony Fasano

Here are the top losses that have the potential to be costly, but are still a mystery to me:

1. Chad Pennington
2. Jason Ferguson
3. Will Allen
4. Yeremiah Bell
5. Jake Grove
6. Ted Ginn, Jr.
7. Channing Crowder
8. Vernon Carey
 
I like the thread idea.

For me it's a tough topic...because there are guys out there that I feel positive that I know we can't lose them...and then there are guys that I'm just really not sure on.

If we lose Jake Long, I feel like I know what the consequences are and I do *not* like them. I feel like I know what the consequences would be if we lost Ronnie Brown, and I don't like them at all. I think I agree with the Anthony Fasano thing because nobody working behind him is a proven blocker at the position and it would mean Miami has to start using a lot more multiple-WR formations, and that would put a cramp in the week to week game planning. Losing Justin Smiley hurt a lot. I feel like we know what happens when we lose Justin Smiley, and it isn't pretty. What happens if we lose Matt Roth? I'll tell you what, a big hit to our run defense. Who replaces him? Jason Taylor? Charlie Anderson? Cameron Wake? Can any of those guys play over Tight End and Right Tackle, and defend the run to the strong side? I doubt it.

However, if we lost Jason Ferguson...the results are a total mystery to me because Paul Soliai is a total mystery to me. He really has made plays and looked very good at times, but then he keeps falling out of favor because of his weight. And when Randy Starks was forced to play the position against Baltimore, he didn't look half-bad, and he actually gave the vaunted Jason Brown some trouble on some plays.

If we lost Will Allen, that would be bad...but how bad? That's still up in the air because Miami has two corners in Sean Smith and Vontae Davis that are highly regarded, and not looking half-bad so far in camps
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If we lost Chad Pennington, that would be HUGE. He was the heart and soul of this football team during its improbable turnaround a year ago. But, Chad Henne's looked pretty good, and the coaches believe he's the future. That's a big question mark.

If we lost either of the safeties, we really don't know what Tyrone Culver or Chris Clemons would do in their place, relative to Yeremiah Bell or Gibril Wilson. There's reason to like both backups.

Even the Channing Crowder/Reggie Torbor situation is somewhat of a mystery because of Torbor's lack of playing time. When he played during preseason I remember thinking this guy plays fast, loose and wreckless, but I bet he could make big plays. What if this season, his second in the system, he starts to really channel that wreckless ability better and just make plays while also being in the right spots?

I haven't seen enough of the 2009 version of Joe Berger to know whether losing Jake Grove would be devastating. What I do know is that the last time Berger was in Dolphins camp he looked very much like he would end up the starting Center, but then he got hurt. In Dallas, they happened to have a very good Center in front of him by the name of Andre Gurode.

Until we see more out of Anthony Armstrong, losing Ted Ginn would actually be a problem for this offense. I say that because Ginn serves an important function. Pennington is a guy that absolutely needs some breathing room underneath the umbrella in order to operate. Ginn helps provide that. He keeps his safety and corner spaced pretty long. Nobody we could put in the game for Ginn, save possibly Armstrong, can serve that function.

Here are the top losses I *know* would be costly:

1. Jake Long
2. Ronnie Brown
3. Matt Roth
4. Justin Smiley
5. Anthony Fasano

Here are the top losses that have the potential to be costly, but are still a mystery to me:

1. Chad Pennington
2. Jason Ferguson
3. Will Allen
4. Yeremiah Bell
5. Jake Grove
6. Ted Ginn, Jr.
7. Channing Crowder
8. Vernon Carey

Losing Will Allen would be a nightmare in the secondary. We have two rookies and no idea (other than seeing them play in shorts) what these guys will become. Even if they were to step in and play well and look good for the future they are still kids and will be inconsistent. To have one of them with a veteran corner makes me nervous but to have both of them out there on the island with our stuff the run first type safeties, that scares the hell out of me.
 
One of the better thread starters since about a month after the draft. CK made some compelling arguements. I would have to say, while I respect and understand the Will Allen choice, I have to put Long in there. If we lose him, we are double dog screwed.

CK points out Smiley as a concern. I happen to deeply agree with that. That is why my anus is so enflamed about us NOT picking up reliable, proven, or at least high level rookie potential to back up the interior line. Right now, Thomas is STILL injured Smiley is coming off ANOTHER shoulder surgery and a broken leg....*Sigh*

I really feel there is lots of potential for disaster.
 
Losing Will Allen would be a nightmare in the secondary. We have two rookies and no idea (other than seeing them play in shorts) what these guys will become. Even if they were to step in and play well and look good for the future they are still kids and will be inconsistent. To have one of them with a veteran corner makes me nervous but to have both of them out there on the island with our stuff the run first type safeties, that scares the hell out of me.

You and me both. Some Dolphin fans weren't alive to see the prowess of the JB Brown era Secondary.
 
Of the 5...I don't believe losing Allen would be a great loss. It wouldn't be the first time for the Dolphins to play rookies at the corner position.
 
One of the better thread starters since about a month after the draft. CK made some compelling arguements. I would have to say, while I respect and understand the Will Allen choice, I have to put Long in there. If we lose him, we are double dog screwed.

CK points out Smiley as a concern. I happen to deeply agree with that. That is why my anus is so enflamed about us NOT picking up reliable, proven, or at least high level rookie potential to back up the interior line. Right now, Thomas is STILL injured Smiley is coming off ANOTHER shoulder surgery and a broken leg....*Sigh*

I really feel there is lots of potential for disaster.

You are so right on this statement when it comes to the OL. We already don't really have any idea if Donald Thomas can really play we've only been told he has great potential and we don't know when he will be back. To lose any of the other 4 (Long, Smiley, Grove, Carey) would be a disaster.
 
Well we can't really afford to lose anyone on the OL because we have nothing behind any of those positions.

-Will Allen would be big, Eric Green just isn't that good and we don't want 2 rookies starting
-Ferguson would be Huge IMO, I think Solai is capable of manning the position but he still scares the hell out of me
-Losing Ted Ginn would really suck.... say what you want about him but he still makes plays and is our only deep threat
-Ronnie Brown going down would severly hamper our offense, I just do not think Ricky Williams is very good anymore and Ronnie is just better at many differen't things
-Channing Crowder going down I think would be bigger than most people think. Crowder doesn't ever seem to do anything spectacular or really standout but does anyone remember how much worse our D looked last season when he was out for that game?
 
One of the better thread starters since about a month after the draft. CK made some compelling arguements. I would have to say, while I respect and understand the Will Allen choice, I have to put Long in there. If we lose him, we are double dog screwed.

CK points out Smiley as a concern. I happen to deeply agree with that. That is why my anus is so enflamed about us NOT picking up reliable, proven, or at least high level rookie potential to back up the interior line. Right now, Thomas is STILL injured Smiley is coming off ANOTHER shoulder surgery and a broken leg....*Sigh*

I really feel there is lots of potential for disaster.


just another reason I disliked some of our picks in the draft.
 
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