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Overrated:
Fisher
Coates
Maxx Williams
Waynes
Ray

Underrated:
Diggs
Darby
Owa
Jarvis Harrison
Mike Davis

Not sure if Darby and Owa are still underrated? Months ago they were along with David Johnson, but I pulled him off that list after combine and senior bowl.
 
Overrated:

Dante Fowler
Danny Shelton
Jaelen Strong
Trae Waynes
Landon Collins

Underrated:

Carl Davis
Xavier Cooper
Shaq Riddick
Kevin Johnson
Kenny Bell
 
xXwarXx said:
Underrated:

Jarvis Harrison
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I never understood why they downgraded Harrison. The only thing I could find is that some scout said that he loves basketball more than football. I guess they think he will not try once he gets his contract.:ponder:
 
j-off-her-doll said:
Overrated:

Dante Fowler
Danny Shelton
Jaelen Strong
Trae Waynes
Landon Collins

Underrated:

Carl Davis
Xavier Cooper
Shaq Riddick
Kevin Johnson
Kenny Bell
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What don't ya like About Shelton? I've seen a lot of people call him overrated, I don't see it, I feel like people are expecting to much from a guy his size, he's never going to get a ton of sacks, that's not what he's there for.

And I'll have to check out more Carl Davis tape, you seem to be really high on him.

DKphin said:
I never understood why they downgraded Harrison. The only thing I could find is that some scout said that he loves basketball more than football. I guess they think he will not try once he gets his contract.:ponder:
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I have no idea, I haven't heard much of anything About him, but he really stood out on A&Ms line when I was watching Ogbuehi who I really like too. And when Ogbuehi went down he looked decent filling in LT too, although I'd want him as a guard.
 
xXwarXx said:
What don't ya like About Shelton? I've seen a lot of people call him overrated, I don't see it, I feel like people are expecting to much from a guy his size, he's never going to get a ton of sacks, that's not what he's there for.

And I'll have to check out more Carl Davis tape, you seem to be really high on him.
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It's not that I don't like him. It's that I don't think his skill set is worth a 1st round pick. I think he's a 2-down NT. For me, that's a 2nd round pick. Have to impact the passing game as a 1st round pick (for me).

Carl Davis played better against double teams than any other D-lineman that I saw in 2014. He didn't have Shelton's stats, but I think he more overall impact, and his explosion and speed translate to a more disruptive player at the next level. Suh is one of his athletic comps; he has very long arms and huge hands. One of the few D-lineman that look great in any scheme - has the physical tools to play and excel at the 1, 3, and 5. 3-down player who is much more disruptive in the passing game than his statistics indicate. He played the 1 at Iowa and took on a lot of double teams, but that didn't stop him from wrecking plays on a consistent basis. He didn't finish a lot of plays himself, but I don't think there's a DT in this class that made more plays for his teammates than Davis.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
It's not that I don't like him. It's that I don't think his skill set is worth a 1st round pick. I think he's a 2-down NT. For me, that's a 2nd round pick. Have to impact the passing game as a 1st round pick (for me).

Carl Davis played better against double teams than any other D-lineman that I saw in 2014. He didn't have Shelton's stats, but I think he more overall impact, and his explosion and speed translate to a more disruptive player at the next level. Suh is one of his athletic comps; he has very long arms and huge hands. One of the few D-lineman that look great in any scheme - has the physical tools to play and excel at the 1, 3, and 5. 3-down player who is much more disruptive in the passing game than his statistics indicate. He played the 1 at Iowa and took on a lot of double teams, but that didn't stop him from wrecking plays on a consistent basis. He didn't finish a lot of plays himself, but I don't think there's a DT in this class that made more plays for his teammates than Davis.
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I get your point of view here and you make a lot of good pointsmthat I agree with.

But IMO, it's going to be a whole new world for him if he lines up next to Suh. IMO he Would def be a 3 down lineman, especially consistently being 1 on 1. I believe he played more downs than any other DT or NT last year.

I would def bet that wore on him, especially with the double teams. Next to Suh he shouldn't have that problem often. I also think he could help take a lot of the wear and tear off Suh with his run stopping.

I really think being a complimentary player will make a world of difference for him. He was asked to do a lot at WSH.
 
I think Coates could compare to Torrey Smith in time. He's not going to blow you away with his routes and he might miss a few passes here and there, but he can stretch a defense and might 10-15 big plays per season.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
It's not that I don't like him. It's that I don't think his skill set is worth a 1st round pick. I think he's a 2-down NT. For me, that's a 2nd round pick. Have to impact the passing game as a 1st round pick (for me).

Carl Davis played better against double teams than any other D-lineman that I saw in 2014. He didn't have Shelton's stats, but I think he more overall impact, and his explosion and speed translate to a more disruptive player at the next level. Suh is one of his athletic comps; he has very long arms and huge hands. One of the few D-lineman that look great in any scheme - has the physical tools to play and excel at the 1, 3, and 5. 3-down player who is much more disruptive in the passing game than his statistics indicate. He played the 1 at Iowa and took on a lot of double teams, but that didn't stop him from wrecking plays on a consistent basis. He didn't finish a lot of plays himself, but I don't think there's a DT in this class that made more plays for his teammates than Davis.
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I do feel talent wise Carl Davis is underrated, but he's brought a lot of negative attention to himself for not being a hard worker.
 
ChambersWI said:
I do feel talent wise Carl Davis is underrated, but he's brought a lot of negative attention to himself for not being a hard worker.
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I keep hearing this, Chambers, but I haven't seen it substantiated, and I've seen most of it attributed him him coming off lazy in interviews at the Senior Bowl. I've said it before, but I don't put too much weight into someone coming off lazy in an interview. Watching him talk (laid back guy), you can see how he'd come off that way.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...tball-league-nfl-draft-bryce-miller/14181555/

One moment inside a darkened room at Iowa's football complex, Davis thinks like a poker player perched along a final table in Las Vegas. Another moment, the senior defensive tackle calculates angles and energy transfer like a physics professor.

Davis plots the math of blockers against potential tacklers and two- versus three-point stances. His eyes dance, trained to the point of instinct, as Davis and his multiple personalities survey a flood of information all but invisible to the untrained.
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http://www.dailyiowan.com/Pregame/1401/001.html

“Carl is just a really positive,” Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz said. “He’s a good young man, so we’re really happy he’s on our football team.”
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Okaaaaay. Not sure I want to do this as the overrated guys are bound to go out and prove me totally wrong, but:

OVER
M. Gordon
B. McKinney
B. Perriman
A. Marpet
J. Collins

UNDER
P. Dawson
E. Rowe
A. Chickillo
N. Orchard
C. Walford
 
Overrated
Shane Ray
Landon Collins
Andrus Peat
DGB
Marcus Peters
Shaq Thompson

Underrated
Preston Smith
Xavier Cooper
Ali Marpet
David Cobb
James Sample
 
Fin Thirteen said:
Okaaaaay. Not sure I want to do this as the overrated guys are bound to go out and prove me totally wrong, but:

OVER
M. Gordon
B. McKinney
B. Perriman
A. Marpet
J. Collins

UNDER
P. Dawson
E. Rowe
A. Chickillo
N. Orchard
C. Walford
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I obviously disagree with Marpet lol. I think he's underrated, but I think you're spot on Chickillo.
 
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