A better way to discuss the offense

[Lionstone]

Take Tannehill out of the discussion. Pretend it is Paxton Lynch or any other young QB. The correct question is are their any player giving enough effort to help that rookie win a game. Also, do not consider potential or talent. Just use effort and execution.

If I evaluate the Bengals game using this criteria, then here is my list.

- Landry
- Ajayi
- Urbik
- Tunsil

I AM NOT EXCUSING TANNEHILL'S HORRIBLE PERFORMANCE!!!

I just believe this is a fair approach for evaluating individuals.

 

[biggrouper]

I want to see better play calling especially in the running game. Without a consistent running game no Team can succeed.

 

[Tannchise]

It will be interesting to see what kind of fire or lack of fire, Tannehill comes out with on Sunday. He knows the entire SFLA media and fan base has turned against him. He has to know that this could be his last year and game (s) coming up in Miami. He may never get a starting job again in the NFL, unless by injury. He knows his contract is back loaded. I begin to wonder if at this point, you become self-critical to the next-level. What I mean, is all the critiques of pocket presence, recognizing the pressure, strip sacks and bad interceptions, will we see a different Tannehill? Maybe he compensates one last time with a scramble or throws the ball away a lot more or sooner?

And what does Gase do? If Tannehill continues to play poorly, then who gives the best chance for Miami to win? I know it’s the best thing to lose on the field for draft picks, but coaches and players just don’t do that. In my opinion, if Gase really is benching players based on performance, I would be interested to see if he makes a move in-game. It will be tough-sledding for the defense with the run game, however, TN doesn’t have a passing game and duo like Dalton and Green. Gase has invested a ton of time into Tannehill. If Pouncey and Albert come back, it should help, but it could be too late

 

[Lionstone]

It will be interesting to see what kind of fire or lack of fire, Tannehill comes out with on Sunday. He knows the entire SFLA media and fan base has turned against him. He has to know that this could be his last year and game (s) coming up in Miami. He may never get a starting job again in the NFL, unless by injury. He knows his contract is back loaded. I begin to wonder if at this point, you become self-critical to the next-level. What I mean, is all the critiques of pocket presence, recognizing the pressure, strip sacks and bad interceptions, will we see a different Tannehill? Maybe he compensates one last time with a scramble or throws the ball away a lot more or sooner?

And what does Gase do? If Tannehill continues to play poorly, then who gives the best chance for Miami to win? I know it’s the best thing to lose on the field for draft picks, but coaches and players just don’t do that. In my opinion, if Gase really is benching players based on performance, I would be interested to see if he makes a move in-game. It will be tough-sledding for the defense with the run game, however, TN doesn’t have a passing game and duo like Dalton and Green. Gase has invested a ton of time into Tannehill. If Pouncey and Albert come back, it should help, but it could be too late

This would be interesting information within a thread pertaining to Tannehill, but the purpose of this thread is to exclude all reference Ryan. This thread is solely about everyone else.

 

[SabanHater]

I don't see them benching Tannehill this season no matter how bad he plays.

 

[Lionstone]

I want to see better play calling especially in the running game. Without a consistent running game no Team can succeed.

I agree with you. Also, we would get a better evaluation everyone else. Do you have any comments about the performance of offensive players excluding Tannehill.

 

[jessejames123]

Actually go watch the film on all those 3rd downs.... WR's werent getting open. Along with the OL leaking badly its a recipe for disaster for any QB.

With the QB, Im mostly upset he didnt take off from the pocket. I saw a number of times a lane would open up and he could get us an easy 6-7 yards and he just stands there. Getting old.

He typically has a stinker early in the season though (hell, Fitz threw 129 int's the last 2 weeks). He needs to wake up the athlete in himself and use his legs.

I think he will be here long term, but Im cool with getting a qb in the draft next year and let them duke it out. I dont care if its a 1st rounder or not. I want a guy with "it". Not a statue.

 

[fansinceGWilson]

Take Tannehill out of the discussion. Pretend it is Paxton Lynch or any other young QB. The correct question is are their any player giving enough effort to help that rookie win a game. Also, do not consider potential or talent. Just use effort and execution.

If I evaluate the Bengals game using this criteria, then here is my list.

- Landry
- Ajayi
- Urbik
- Tunsil

I AM NOT EXCUSING TANNEHILL'S HORRIBLE PERFORMANCE!!!

I just believe this is a fair approach for evaluating individuals.

Don't know your opinion on Tannehill, but I'll chime in. It is interesting to me the number of posters who subscribe to Miami would be much better with another QB and a 'GOOD' QB would be 2-2 at the least . . . BUT, also subscribe to the TEAM playing terribly - so much so, there's a thread to "blow up" the team and start over, one dumping (justifiably) on Maxwell, one talking about HORRID LB play, one . . . well, you get the idea.

As far as the generic QB in Miami, at best I see a 2-2 record, even with Rodgers, Newton, Luck, and a number of others. I see the same 1-3 record with quite a few more. That's how keystone-cop-like the team has played. They are NOT playing to the level of (little) talent they have. For effort, I'd say 7 out of 10, though I'd have trouble with differentiating 'effort' from 'mental.' Execution for the team as a whole? Maybe 4-5 of 10. Missed blocking/gap assignments on seemingly every play. Mental errors. Bad audibles. Poor tackling. Lack of separation in a receiver group many here thought was a team strength. Yes, talent. Correcting any ONE of those may have Miami at 2-2. Combined, I'm a little surprised it isn't 0-4.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

I'll participate in this thread since I agree that the QB wasn't the only guy who had a really bad game on Thursday.

It's tough though, because I'm really not sure how you can measure the execution of the receivers and skill players when they were put in unwinnable situations. Like, you can say "Devante Parker had a lot of trouble getting separation out there" and that would be true, but here is the thing, how the hell is the guy supposed to get open against 7 man coverages when the ball has to be thrown quickly because of 4 man pressure?

I would say that the critical spots of failure were the QB, OL, Front Office and Coaching Staff. Everyone else, not really sure how you can evaluate them fairly.

 

[Lionstone]

I'll participate in this thread since I agree that the QB wasn't the only guy who had a really bad game on Thursday.

It's tough though, because I'm really not sure how you can measure the execution of the receivers and skill players when they were put in unwinnable situations. Like, you can say "Devante Parker had a lot of trouble getting separation out there" and that would be true, but here is the thing, how the hell is the guy supposed to get open against 7 man coverages when the ball has to be thrown quickly because of 4 man pressure?

I would say that the critical spots of failure were the QB, OL, Front Office and Coaching Staff. Everyone else, not really sure how you can evaluate them fairly.

It is very easy. The percentage of routes where the receive achieves separation. Even if there is a rub required by the route, the percentage of separation achieved does measure how effective the receiver group is performing.

 

[Sons Of Shula]

It is very easy. The percentage of routes where the receive achieves separation. Even if there is a rub required by the route, the percentage of separation achieved does measure how effective the receiver group is performing.

Where Wanny indicated 7 man coverages, it simply alluded to the amount, not the actual coverage. In the NFL you're not going to find any success with 4 receivers vs 7 in zone.
And rub routes in that instance are not effective.

 

[fansinceGWilson]

I'll participate in this thread since I agree that the QB wasn't the only guy who had a really bad game on Thursday.

It's tough though, because I'm really not sure how you can measure the execution of the receivers and skill players when they were put in unwinnable situations. Like, you can say "Devante Parker had a lot of trouble getting separation out there" and that would be true, but here is the thing, how the hell is the guy supposed to get open against 7 man coverages when the ball has to be thrown quickly because of 4 man pressure?

I would say that the critical spots of failure were the QB, OL, Front Office and Coaching Staff. Everyone else, not really sure how you can evaluate them fairly.

Here is one way I evaluate, starting at the bottom. Could swapping out 'x' for an AVERAGE player at his position have resulted in one more win. Since this thread focuses on the O side, my 1st 'x' would be James.

 

[Lionstone]

Where Wanny indicated 7 man coverages, it simply alluded to the amount, not the actual coverage. In the NFL you're not going to find any success with 4 receivers vs 7 in zone.
And rub routes in that instance are not effective.

All I meant was conceptually there is a method to evaluate from the all-22 film. The bottom line is the percentage of times that our receivers win is lower than more successful teams. My hypothesis is that the receivers own a significant portion of the blame for the lack of separation, but It is a hypothesis.