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A deeper dive into the overall RB market...

Good research. Thank you. Understanding that there will always be some team that will overpay for RB's, a good team strategy might be to draft a RB every 2-3 years if not yearly between rounds 3-7. Mostly after the 3rd round.
 
Danny said:
wow, he should be in jail then
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I think it was a gray area, legally, I assume. It started when Mixon's group of friends were making homophobic jokes at one of the girl's gay male friends. When she saw them inside, she decided to spit on Mixon and then he proceeded to break her jaw, i believe she had pretty extensive damage too.

It's still pretty shocking that Cincy drafted him.
 
Feverdream said:
One last prediction... with the number of top RBs available next year... I predict that we'll have this same damned conversation next year...

(sigh)
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Reality is that for this offensive system to reach it's peak, it will need a good running game. So the conversation about a star RB or having 5 all-pro starters on the OL will happen every year until we have a good running game.

Personally, I don't believe you need a star RB or 5 star OL to have a good running game. But you need guys that fit the system and time in that system. Next year our OL will have had time in the system and a mix of old and young guys, but our RB room will be relying on a 32 year old back unless Achane becomes the guy. I like both Wilson and Ahmed, but I don't believe either of them can reasonably be expected to carry the load for more than a game or two. So if Achane doesn't become the guy that can carry the load we will absolutely be in the RB market again.
 
rafael said:
Reality is that for this offensive system to reach it's peak, it will need a good running game. So the conversation about a star RB or having 5 all-pro starters on the OL will happen every year until we have a good running game.

Personally, I don't believe you need a star RB or 5 star OL to have a good running game. But you need guys that fit the system and time in that system. Next year our OL will have had time in the system and a mix of old and young guys, but our RB room will be relying on a 32 year old back unless Achane becomes the guy. I like both Wilson and Ahmed, but I don't believe either of them can reasonably be expected to carry the load for more than a game or two. So if Achane doesn't become the guy that can carry the load we will absolutely be in the RB market again.
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Agree that unless Achane proves to be very good, the future of that room is very unclear beyond this season.

On the other hand, if you are going to be in the market for something, better that it be RB than a premium position.
 
rafael said:
Reality is that for this offensive system to reach it's peak, it will need a good running game. So the conversation about a star RB or having 5 all-pro starters on the OL will happen every year until we have a good running game.

Personally, I don't believe you need a star RB or 5 star OL to have a good running game. But you need guys that fit the system and time in that system. Next year our OL will have had time in the system and a mix of old and young guys, but our RB room will be relying on a 32 year old back unless Achane becomes the guy. I like both Wilson and Ahmed, but I don't believe either of them can reasonably be expected to carry the load for more than a game or two. So if Achane doesn't become the guy that can carry the load we will absolutely be in the RB market again.
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Wilson is a good RB2, the type of guy who is decent enough and can fill in when your top guy is nicked up. Mostert is a classic, fragile RB3. He's a space back only, he won't break many tackles... he either out jukes you.. or fails. I think Achane is basically Mostert's replacement.

So, no... we don't have a RB1, even factoring in that we run a committee. I wanted Charbonnet... but I understand why we didn't take him. Our aging CBs meant we had to go defense.

I do, however think we have quite a few posters here who really have not accepted that 1) RBs are much less important in the modern NFL and 2) are much too willing to buy in on guys who are more name, than game.

As far as our line goes... you can put me in the 'I think it is a bit underrated' group. Years of poor coaching has led many here to focus more on errors of the past than on actual current performance... the numbers generated by our line weren't bad, and that was with the weirdly high amount of injuries last year.

With a QB who is more of a target than a running threat, and without any sort of a big back, we put up middlin' numbers last year. I can live with that, and I still believe that the path to a better running game runs through passes to RBs and a lot of play-action to slow blitzing.

If I have a complaint about Mostert, it is that as a smallish, fragile guy, he is also a relatively poor receiver. I'm hoping that Achane is an upgrade, though as I've said... he was NOT high on my list for drafting.

If it were me... I'd sign Fournette and try to trade Mostert... even if it did mean eating his signing bonus.
 
Something that I've always wondered. This may be a bit off topic so apologies to Fever if so. A great post.

Can a team sign a player for a specific amount and essentially set that player up to gain sponsorship money?

In other words, they can be a spokesperson in an advertising campaign. Is that within the rules, a workaround, or just a dumb question?

On topic, I think Cook will have to settle for $5-6 million.
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
Something that I've always wondered. This may be a bit off topic so apologies to Fever if so. A great post.

Can a team sign a player for a specific amount and essentially set that player up to gain sponsorship money?

In other words, they can be a spokesperson in an advertising campaign. Is that within the rules, a workaround, or just a dumb question?

On topic, I think Cook will have to settle for $5-6 million.
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It's an excellent question.. and I have absolutely no idea.
 
I know the scheme, but they a true power back, not Cook. As of now, it does not look like they will get Cook anyway.
 
susser2000 said:
I'm actually surprised that Kareem Hunt is still out there. I haven't looked at his games in recent years, but he's been in a timeshare and was lethal in KC. He was my favorite cheap target at the start of free agency and thought he may get something similar to what Myles Sanders got from Carolina.

I'll agree with you on not paying running backs, but I do miss having a dominant back. Thanks for doing the research on this one; nicely laid out.
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Hunt looked toast to me last season. Like Zeke level type bad.
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
Something that I've always wondered. This may be a bit off topic so apologies to Fever if so. A great post.

Can a team sign a player for a specific amount and essentially set that player up to gain sponsorship money?

In other words, they can be a spokesperson in an advertising campaign. Is that within the rules, a workaround, or just a dumb question?

On topic, I think Cook will have to settle for $5-6 million.
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The CBA does not allow “off the books” incentives intended to circumvent the salary cap. Anything of tangible value offered by the team in exchange for the player’s service must be accounted. Teams/agents/players engaged in activity otherwise risk fines, penalties, and/or suspension.
 
AquaHawk said:
The CBA does not allow “off the books” incentives intended to circumvent the salary cap. Anything of tangible value offered by the team in exchange for the player’s service must be accounted. Teams/agents/players engaged in activity otherwise risk fines, penalties, and/or suspension.
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Makes sense.
 
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