A Defensive Coach Doesn't Mean A Team Built/Relying on Defense

[aqualuv]

I keep seeing "the sky is falling" posts about bringing in another defensive coach. Well I did some research and here are a few "defensive head coaches".

Dick Jauron
Bill Bilichick
Marvin Lewis
Tony Dungy
Jeff Fisher
Herman Edwards
Bill Parcells
Lovey Smith

Now, there are more than a couple of those who put together potent offenses. Just like the kind of offense we would like around here, don't you think?

 

[IluvJuMiami]

The difference there is the the majority of those coaches who's offenses have flourished are led by a top tier QB. And Belichcik, for a long time, had the best OC in the league.

 

[aqualuv]

The difference there is the the majority of those coaches who's offenses have flourished are led by a top tier QB. And Belichcik, for a long time, had the best OC in the league.

So you consider Grossman, Green, Bledsoe, Romo and Losman, top tier QB's? Wow!

 

[Mr.Majestik]

Defensive coaches and offense

I keep seeing "the sky is falling" posts about bringing in another defensive coach. Well I did some research and here are a few "defensive head coaches".

Dick Jauron
Bill Bilichick
Marvin Lewis
Tony Dungy
Jeff Fisher
Herman Edwards
Bill Parcells
Lovey Smith

Now, there are more than a couple of those who put together potent offenses. Just like the kind of offense we would like around here, don't you think?

Dick Jauron's offense is 23rd in scoring. Why is he on the list? Tony Dungy, and Herman Edwards get no credit for their team's offenses, since the personnel, the systems and coaches were already in place when they got to their respective franchises. Both were known for conservative and unimaginative offense with their previous teams. Lovie Smith's offenses were ranked 32, 26, and 2 in scoring in his three years with the Bears, and does anyone really think the Bears have the second best offense in the NFL this year? Belicheck is probably the only real genius the NFL has seen, so his success is unique and probably not something that can be copied. That leaves only Fisher and Parcells as defensive minded coaches that can boast of having great offenses with some regularity. You could even add Cowher to the list.

 

[Mr.Majestik]

Re:

So you consider Grossman, Green, Bledsoe, Romo and Losman, top tier QB's? Wow!

You don't consider Trent Green a top tier quarterback? He has a career efficiency rating of 88, the same as Tom Brady's. The man has been positively phenomenal for the last seven-years. He's in decline now, but the Chief's success at offense predates Herman Edwards by about several years. Romo and Losman are young guys with a lot of upside. Losman's QB rating was 85 this year, the guy has been a starter two years and he's getting better and better. (But it's a moot point since the Bills had nothing resembling a good offense and should not have been included in your list.) Romo debuted strongly too. We have no idea if he'll be a top tier quarterback five-years from now, or not. Grossman is terrible, and the Bears offense is nothing to be excited about, they played the worst schedule in the league, and it wasn't close (their opponents had a .430 winning %, the next worst schedule had a .457%, it's hard not to run up the score playing a schedule that bad.) The past two years the Bears were among the worst in the league, which should lead you to believe this year's offense is a fluke.

 

[Vendigo]

but the Chief's success at offense predates Herman Edwards by about several years.

Success usually predates Herman Edwards by several years ...

 

[His'nBeatYour'n]

The point isn't that the defensive head coach breeds a great offense, but that offensive minded head coaches don't have any better track record for the development of a great offense. I believe that a great offense is much more predicated on a great offensive coordinator, and or a great QB.

 

[aqualuv]

You don't consider Trent Green a top tier quarterback? He has a career efficiency rating of 88, the same as Tom Brady's. The man has been positively phenomenal for the last seven-years. He's in decline now, but the Chief's success at offense predates Herman Edwards by about several years. Romo and Losman are young guys with a lot of upside. Losman's QB rating was 85 this year, the guy has been a starter two years and he's getting better and better. (But it's a moot point since the Bills had nothing resembling a good offense and should not have been included in your list.) Romo debuted strongly too. We have no idea if he'll be a top tier quarterback five-years from now, or not. Grossman is terrible, and the Bears offense is nothing to be excited about, they played the worst schedule in the league, and it wasn't close (their opponents had a .430 winning %, the next worst schedule had a .457%, it's hard not to run up the score playing a schedule that bad.) The past two years the Bears were among the worst in the league, which should lead you to believe this year's offense is a fluke.

I consider Trent Green a very good QB that has taken advantage of systems that are VERY QB friendly. The same one that made a former grocery store clerk the NFL MVP in 2 years (Kurt Warner).

 

[aqualuv]

Dick Jauron's offense is 23rd in scoring. Why is he on the list? Tony Dungy, and Herman Edwards get no credit for their team's offenses, since the personnel, the systems and coaches were already in place when they got to their respective franchises. Both were known for conservative and unimaginative offense with their previous teams. Lovie Smith's offenses were ranked 32, 26, and 2 in scoring in his three years with the Bears, and does anyone really think the Bears have the second best offense in the NFL this year? Belicheck is probably the only real genius the NFL has seen, so his success is unique and probably not something that can be copied. That leaves only Fisher and Parcells as defensive minded coaches that can boast of having great offenses with some regularity. You could even add Cowher to the list.

Thanks for making my point for me. That being just because you are a coach with a defensive background, doesn't mean you can't go and hire an offensive minded OC that will make you an "offensive force".