A Little Help on Benton's OL Scheme?

[So Be]

I do understand the ZBS in having athletic guys who can move and get down field. Last year in Houston, their startin RG was Brooks a 3rd round pick in 2012, who was great on the run (#3 in the NFL), and average in pass protect, wish we had him. However, he is 6'5" and 343 pounds, and can't see how anyone that big can be athletic and move that well.

Are there exceptions to the ZBS or, am I missing something?

 

[NRA]

theres exceptions to players.

he obviously IS athletic enough to do the job. i really dont know much about him, but, is he 343lbs of ice cream and pizza or is he 343lbs of muscle?

2 of the big things in the zbs is being able to get out into the second level quick and you have to be able to lock on to your man and steer him where you want him to go. you really have to have your head on a swivel and see whats going where and who to lock on to or to come off of all in a couple of very fast seconds. theres as much mental as there is physical in the zbs.

he obviously has it.

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

I have it from a good source that Benton is bringing a new radically different idea to the OL as a whole. It all starts in the locker room where he is going to try and get the guys to work together, pull together, and become a close knit unit, rather than backbite, humiliate, and try to tear each other down. This radical unproven idea might be too much of a change for the dolphin's OL to figure out in one season, but that is his plan.

Once they are on the field, it's gonna REALLY get strange. He has this notion of the OLmen actually trying to block the man in front of them, rather than diving out of the way like they're playing dodge ball. This new approach has befuddled a lot of the current dolphin OLmen and some have begin to openly question it's consequences. One unnamed OLmen recently asked during OTAs "but if we get in their way, how will they get to the QB", another asked "won't, impeding my man from having a clean shot at the QB sack, irritate the members of the other team??"

With these new changes will come normal growing pains, but I think in the end we will have a shot at having a real "honest to goodness" NFL OL, designed at protecting the QB, rather than taking bets on seeing how long he will suvive.

 

[So Be]

One positive on Brooks is that as a 3rd rounder, he did not play until the last 7 games on a part time base for 170 snaps, and was a touch below average. Then had a VG season last year under Benton developing him. If he can do something similar this year with a couple of our guys, we may be in better shape than I thought, although it's gonna be much harder with no one having played a snap for him as well as him fitting in to Lazor's new O.

 

[DZimmer000]

I have it from a good source that Benton is bringing a new radically different idea to the OL as a whole. It all starts in the locker room where he is going to try and get the guys to work together, pull together, and become a close knit unit, rather than backbite, humiliate, and try to tear each other down. This radical unproven idea might be too much of a change for the dolphin's OL to figure out in one season, but that is his plan.

Once they are on the field, it's gonna REALLY get strange. He has this notion of the OLmen actually trying to block the man in front of them, rather than diving out of the way like they're playing dodge ball. This new approach has befuddled a lot of the current dolphin OLmen and some have begin to openly question it's consequences. One unnamed OLmen recently asked during OTAs "but if we get in their way, how will they get to the QB", another asked "won't, impeding my man from having a clean shot at the QB sack, irritate the members of the other team??"

With these new changes will come normal growing pains, but I think in the end we will have a shot at having a real "honest to goodness" NFL OL, designed at protecting the QB, rather than taking bets on seeing how long he will suvive.

Who is your source??? I can't stand when guys come on this board and claim they have "inside information" from some unknown source. This is an utter Bull**** post. KTown....... When you're ready to name your source.... You can come back and post again.

 

[uk_dolfan]

Who is your source??? I can't stand when guys come on this board and claim they have "inside information" from some unknown source. This is an utter Bull**** post. KTown....... When you're ready to name your source.... You can come back and post again.

Seriously? You actually read the post?

 

[DZimmer000]

Seriously? You actually read the post?

UK!!! Of all people I would have expected you to get that one. That's British humor 101 right there. Of course I read the post!!

 

[uk_dolfan]

UK!!! Of all people I would have expected you to get that one. That's British humor 101 right there. Of course I read the post!!

Hmmm fair enough then

Maybe I am blunted by my time here but that seemed a very believable finheaven'ish post lol my apologies

 

[DZimmer000]

Hmmm fair enough then

Maybe I am blunted by my time here but that seemed a very believable finheaven'ish post lol my apologies

You've just shattered my vision of all of Her Majesty's Subjects. I hope you're happy.

 

[LDaniel7]

You've just shattered my vision of all of Her Majesty's Subjects. I hope you're happy.

And now you know why your fellow countrymen lost that little skirmish called the American Revolution, lol.

Just when ya think ya know Her Majesty's Troops, one goes and gets all obtuse in the heat of battle, lol.

LD

 

[NorFlaFin]

I believe on the net. There is writeup on the ZBS that includes John Benton version. The Seattle site?

 

[Geforce]

I do understand the ZBS in having athletic guys who can move and get down field. Last year in Houston, their startin RG was Brooks a 3rd round pick in 2012, who was great on the run (#3 in the NFL), and average in pass protect, wish we had him. However, he is 6'5" and 343 pounds, and can't see how anyone that big can be athletic and move that well.

Are there exceptions to the ZBS or, am I missing something?

There are always exceptions but the main requirement is still athleticism and if you strictly by Brooks pro day numbers, he is more than athletic enough. Sub 4.98 40-yard with a 1.71 10-yard split. 4.53 short shuttle and 7.37 3-cone. If you compare those numbers to Jake Matthews combine numbers of 5.01 40 with a 1.73 10-yard split. 4.47 short shuttle and 7.34 3-cone.

Maybe you remember the youtube video of him knocking over a Steelers scout.
[video=youtube;QiUcbhE8fTQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiUcbhE8fTQ[/video]

 

[So Be]

There are always exceptions but the main requirement is still athleticism and if you strictly by Brooks pro day numbers, he is more than athletic enough. Sub 4.98 40-yard with a 1.71 10-yard split. 4.53 short shuttle and 7.37 3-cone. If you compare those numbers to Jake Matthews combine numbers of 5.01 40 with a 1.73 10-yard split. 4.47 short shuttle and 7.34 3-cone.

Maybe you remember the youtube video of him knocking over a Steelers scout.
[video=youtube;QiUcbhE8fTQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiUcbhE8fTQ[/video]

Thanks G. That's amazing for a guy at 343 pounds, and I want one. lol

 

[Pat-London]

I do understand the ZBS in having athletic guys who can move and get down field. Last year in Houston, their startin RG was Brooks a 3rd round pick in 2012, who was great on the run (#3 in the NFL), and average in pass protect, wish we had him. However, he is 6'5" and 343 pounds, and can't see how anyone that big can be athletic and move that well.

Are there exceptions to the ZBS or, am I missing something?

@ SB

It's not so much about their size, but how they move.

You look at someone like Robinson - LT taken by the Rams - holy **** the kid can move and continue to move 30/40 yards down the field - but he's an exception. With Zone, it's about what's happening in that 1st/2nd level range. How well can he move within the 10 yards. That's why for me, the 10 yard split on the 40 and the 3 cone drill are crucial.

After that, if it's blocked right - the back should be gone.

Also - people speak to the ability for OL to 'get' to the 2nd level. It's easy to get to the 2nd level - for me, it's about 'how' they get to the second level. The footwork off the snap, the combo block if needed with their fellow OL and they body position when they release and let the OL colleague take over the block [is their colleague still in a win position when they release the combo or did they leave too soon meaning it doesn't matter what you do at 2nd level because 1st level just got blown up], and very importantly, do they stay on their movement 'track' towards the 2nd level and do they understand the flow of the defense in order to position themselves correctly. It's all those and more little intricacies wrapped into one dynamic set of movement skills. You can always tell an experienced/knowledgeable Zone OL because he never has to look behind him for the back - he shouldn't care where the back is - it's about the flow of the defense, their movement 'should' tell the OL where the ball is.

Take that tape on Brooks. He plays a little high at first, but boy is he a natural fluid 'athlete' has some nice ankle/knee bend when he touches thee bags which you can tell from when he comes from there and explodes into the poor coach - great timing with his arms/hands and they come from inside. But he stays in a great and strong football position out of his stance [i.e when he leaves the bags which is in essence simulating that low burst explosion and drive/angle.

I've never seen this tape before, but if you were to ask me to have a guess as to his weight, I would have thought in the 305-315 range - he just moves so well.