A lot of you guys got it all wrong (final depth chart)

[mandal24]

Some of the big errors I've been seeing...

We will keep 6 receivers bc of the complex, spread offense.. The 5th and 6th receivers will be Roberto Wallace and Marlon Moore. Livas is not making this team, although will probably end up on the PS. He offers nothing as a WR or gunner.
WRS: Marshall, Bess, Hartline, Gates, Wallace, and Moore

Our TEs will be Fasano and Mastrud and eventually someone else's cuts
TE: Fasano, Clay, Mastrud, FA

Our FB will be a combo of Charles Clay and Lex Hilliard (he played some FB last year). Polite does not make this team. Tyrone Culver took a pay cut to remain with the team while Polite was not asked to take a pay cut. No way a rarely used FB in this offense is gonna be making 1.5 million.
FB/H-B: Hilliard/Clay

QBs are easy, Henne and Moore. Devlin to the PS
QB: Henne, Moore

The offensive line is pretty much understood.
OL: Long, Incognito, Pouncey, Carey, Colombo, Garner, Murtha, Berger, and Feinga

The RBs will be Bush, Thomas, Johnson, and Hilliard

DL is pretty much understood
DL: Langford, Soliai, Starks, Odrick, McDaniel, Baker, Fields (only true NT if Soliai goes down)

LBers- Marvin Mitchell definitely makes this team. He's been awesome. Spittler has not. He gets cut. Spears to the PS. True nick also makes it as he was our first FA pickup and this FO loves special teamers
LBers: Dansby, Burnett, Wake, Misi, Taylor, Edds, Trusnick, Mitchell, IAF

Sapp and Allen both make this team. Carroll has been awful and gets cut. So it's Davis, Smith, Allen, Sapp, and Wilson
CB: Davis, Smith, Allen, Sapp, Wilson

Safeties will be Bell, Jones, Clemons, Culver (he just took a pay cut)
S: Bell, Jones, Clemons, Culver

Specialists: Fields, Carpenter, Denney, Gates (PR and KR)

 

[Built2Win]

i think livas makes it spears makes it devlis hangs on
polite hangs on hillard cut larry johnson makes it
wallace cut ..

 

[LikeUntoGod]

Here is a surprise for you. We have never went with 5 WRs and I'm not sure we have ever had a real 4 wide WRs set yet.

Going over them I saw that TE A Fasano was often one of the 4 or 5 WRs as was RB D Thomas ,RB R Bush, H-Back C Clay etc.

 

[mandal24]

Here is a surprise for you. We have never went with 5 WRs and I'm not sure we have ever had a real 4 wide WRs set yet.

Going over them I saw that TE A Fasano was often one of the 4 or 5 WRs as was RB D Thomas ,RB R Bush, H-Back C Clay etc.

I hear you but you gotta ask yourself, who's more valuable to a pass balanced offense, a WR or a FB. Especially when Polite has one good year two years ago and is getting overpaid as a situational player

 

[hoops]

we went 5 wrs in the opening preseason game against the falcons...so yeah we've done it in this new offense before

 

[72champagne]

i think if polite were going to be cut he'd have played against the cowboys. i hope he's cut and the offense is wide open but i doubt it because clay is green.

 

[Zounds]

we went 5 wrs in the opening preseason game against the falcons...so yeah we've done it in this new offense before

5 WR's? Or you mean 3 WR's and Bush and Fasano going out on routes? I'm pretty sure there were no 5 WR sets.

 

[mrhankey81701]

Only way I see Baker making the team is if Merling gets traded

 

[mandal24]

i think if polite were going to be cut he'd have played against the cowboys. i hope he's cut and the offense is wide open but i doubt it because clay is green.

True. Or they fear he'll get hurt and then they'll owe him all of his 1.5 mil salary. Yikes.

 

[Travis34]

Here is a surprise for you. We have never went with 5 WRs and I'm not sure we have ever had a real 4 wide WRs set yet.

Going over them I saw that TE A Fasano was often one of the 4 or 5 WRs as was RB D Thomas ,RB R Bush, H-Back C Clay etc.

I get that, but I think it would be good to keep another receiver incase of injury or to be more diverse. I mean who is a defender more afraid of burning them? Fasano or Moore?

 

[hoops]

5 WR's? Or you mean 3 WR's and Bush and Fasano going out on routes? I'm pretty sure there were no 5 WR sets.

i'm pretty sure i saw 5 wide in that opener at some point...and i think one of the beat writers even made reference to it after...i sure hope we're gonna see a lot of 4 wr sets in this new o or 4 wrs and a single back sets maybe sometimes...we need to get creative...our problem will be protecting the qb though if we leave our lineman with no help and empty sets etc...henne may get killed...

 

[ckparrothead]

The original poster himself is making a big mistake as he tries to correct the mistakes he perceives others to be making.

Teams aren't beholden to these ideas of how many at a certain position they need to keep. They don't say "Well we're running a spread so we need to keep 6 receivers, so who should they be?".

They figure out what guys they have on the roster that are worth keeping on the roster. Example. Most teams keep only 3 Tight Ends. The Arizona Cardinals just cut their roster down to 53 men and you know how many of them are Tight Ends? FIVE. They cut Stephen Skelton but kept Todd Heap, Rob Housler, Jeff King, Stephen Spach and Jim Dray. And this is a team that, if you've tracked them over the years on PFF as I have, uses the Tight End position as little as anyone else out there. Last year they only had a Tight End on the field AT ALL on 870 out of 983 snaps. That's probably the lowest amount of Tight End usage in the league.

So are they just unbelievably dumb? No. You form the roster according to the talents you have. You don't fit square pegs in round holes. You have a lot of talented Tight Ends. GO WITH IT! So they've got five on roster even though last year they probably used Tight Ends the least of all teams in the NFL.

And yet here people sit thinking, "Ok well we're running more wide open so instead of 5 receivers we should carry 6 receivers, and those receiver should be..."

You can just stop right there.

The primary question on keeping 5 receivers or 6 receivers or even 7 receivers, is if the guys are worthy of keeping around. Are you afraid of them getting claimed off waivers? Can you see this guy in the long term plans as well as the short term plans?

I think on that basis the Dolphins should keep Marlon Moore and Phil Livas, but let Roberto Wallace go.

Wallace hasn't done anything for me in two years. He's big and fast but there are a lot of big and fast guys out there that can't play football. He does well on Special Teams, I'll grant him that. But othewise, he's just not making progress.

Phil Livas has proven himself as this team's punt and kick return man, and he showed that he can fill in as a slot WR and look pretty good there as well. He's got unique qualities that make him a fairly rare player, one worth keeping around on a roster. You don't often find a guy with his combination of:

1. Quick, consistent and dependable thinking under fire on punt returns
2. Good hands to where he's not muffing any punts
3. Short strides to where he's accelerating quickly
4. Long speed that tops out around 4.4, despite the short stride length

It's just not often you find guys like that and I want to keep him around. It was no coincidence he returned that punt 75 yards for a touchdown. And last night he had a nice catch from the slot on 4th & 5 where he showed off a starter's feet and quickness, and just before that drive he'd made a FANTASTIC 20 yard run-up to fair catch a 31 yard punt and not allow it to bounce 10 to 15 yards as other punt returners would have. That's as good as a 10 to 15 yard punt return, right there. It's a winning play, the kind of play that helps you win games.

 

[MarshallFin1]

i agree with ck, philips livas has earned a spot on this team. Im all for keeping livas.

 

[ccdolfan]

Phil Livas has proven himself as this team's punt and kick return man, and he showed that he can fill in as a slot WR and look pretty good there as well. He's got unique qualities that make him a fairly rare player, one worth keeping around on a roster. You don't often find a guy with his combination of:

1. Quick, consistent and dependable thinking under fire on punt returns
2. Good hands to where he's not muffing any punts
3. Short strides to where he's accelerating quickly
4. Long speed that tops out around 4.4, despite the short stride length

It's just not often you find guys like that and I want to keep him around. It was no coincidence he returned that punt 75 yards for a touchdown. And last night he had a nice catch from the slot on 4th & 5 where he showed off a starter's feet and quickness, and just before that drive he'd made a FANTASTIC 20 yard run-up to fair catch a 31 yard punt and not allow it to bounce 10 to 15 yards as other punt returners would have. That's as good as a 10 to 15 yard punt return, right there. It's a winning play, the kind of play that helps you win games.

I was actually EXTREMELY impressed by that fair catch, and thought to myself if Bess or Gates was back there that punt would never have been caught. Livas is money on punt returns and inspires confidence back there, he seems very comfortable as a return man.

 

[R_t_Kraken]

It irks me when people post a thread about a topic that already exists just to prop their opinion up as more valid.