A Question for those saying we should trade for QB

[Pauly]

I've seen plenty of threads suggesting we should trade a 1st round pick and/or players for a QB on another team.

How many times have their been trades where a young QB is traded from one team and goes on to be a great QB for another?

By my count over the last 30 years it has happened four times:
Steve Young (Tampa to San Fran)
John Elway (Indy to Denver)
Brett Farve (Atlanta to Green bay) and
Eli Manning (San Diego to Giants - PS, I know it could be a stretch to include Eli but he appears to be a great QB in the making)

The Elway and Eli Manning trades were forced trades when they refused to play for the team that drafted them, so it is arguable that they shouldn't be included for the purposes of comparison with the Dolphins current situation.

There might be other examples of a young QB being traded and then coming into greatness but I can't think of them. NFL history is littered with far more A J Feeley trades than Brett Farve trades. So if history says that trading for a young QB on another teams roster has a very low chance of being successful why do so many people want us to do it?

 

[Alex44]

Im not one that says to do that

I say take Vince Young and keep him

 

[Danny]

I've seen plenty of threads suggesting we should trade a 1st round pick and/or players for a QB on another team.

How many times have their been trades where a young QB is traded from one team and goes on to be a great QB for another?

By my count over the last 30 years it has happened four times:
Steve Young (Tampa to San Fran)
John Elway (Indy to Denver)
Brett Farve (Atlanta to Green bay) and
Eli Manning (San Diego to Giants - PS, I know it could be a stretch to include Eli but he appears to be a great QB in the making)

The Elway and Eli Manning trades were forced trades when they refused to play for the team that drafted them, so it is arguable that they shouldn't be included for the purposes of comparison with the Dolphins current situation.

There might be other examples of a young QB being traded and then coming into greatness but I can't think of them. NFL history is littered with far more A J Feeley trades than Brett Farve trades. So if history says that trading for a young QB on another teams roster has a very low chance of being successful why do so many people want us to do it?

you're making a good point.Me personaly don't care to trade for any QB...I'd like for us to draft one.If we were to trade for one it'd be Rivers and I'd not give up more than a 1st for him if that.

Ozzy rules!!

 

[Alex44]

you're making a good point.Me personaly don't care to trade for any QB...I'd like for us to draft one.If we were to trade for one it'd be Rivers and I'd not give up more than a 1st for him if that.

Ozzy rules!!

yep


who would you want to draft btw?

 

[pwn3dyo]

I think Vince Young has said that he is staying his senior year. I could be wrong though.

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

The NFL is also littered with drafting quarterbacks who become failures. The NFL is littered with many examples. There is more than one way to skin a cat. Also when you are a cat there are more than one ways to get skinned.

 

[Alex44]

I think Vince Young has said that he is staying his senior year. I could be wrong though.

he said that a while back

but

By the way he's been talking latley it doesnt seem like he will, especially if he wins the national championship game

 

[Pauly]

The NFL is also littered with drafting quarterbacks who become failures. The NFL is littered with many examples. There is more than one way to skin a cat. Also when you are a cat there are more than one ways to get skinned.

Plenty of Ryan Leafs for every Tom Brady too, I admit. But if we take the Hall of Fame as an indicator of greatness in a QB, the vast majority of QBs in the HoF are there because of the way they performed for the team that drafted them.

All I'm saying is that if we're looking for a great QB we're far more likely to get him in the draft than in a trade. I would also say that if we trade draft picks for a QB, I'd rather trade for a proven veteren on the backside of his career, where we won't get greatness but will get someone who can operate the offence competently for 2 or 3 years.

 

[Danny]

yep


who would you want to draft btw?

I like Cutler but I also like Pinnegar.The times I've seen him he can make plays, can make all the trows and is very acurate for the most part.He's got good touch on the short to medium passes and all this without having the guys around him that Leinart has.

Ozzy rules!!

 

[wolverine5660]

I've seen plenty of threads suggesting we should trade a 1st round pick and/or players for a QB on another team.

How many times have their been trades where a young QB is traded from one team and goes on to be a great QB for another?

By my count over the last 30 years it has happened four times:
Steve Young (Tampa to San Fran)
John Elway (Indy to Denver)
Brett Farve (Atlanta to Green bay) and
Eli Manning (San Diego to Giants - PS, I know it could be a stretch to include Eli but he appears to be a great QB in the making)

The Elway and Eli Manning trades were forced trades when they refused to play for the team that drafted them, so it is arguable that they shouldn't be included for the purposes of comparison with the Dolphins current situation.

There might be other examples of a young QB being traded and then coming into greatness but I can't think of them. NFL history is littered with far more A J Feeley trades than Brett Farve trades. So if history says that trading for a young QB on another teams roster has a very low chance of being successful why do so many people want us to do it?

Here is a link that may answer your questions...
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9080511

 

[Blitz]

Rivers is the only QB I'd trade for. I'd give up our first-round pick and a conditional 2007 pick based upon his 2006 performance (Ex. Top five in passing yards + top five in passing TDs = 2007 first-round pick; Sub-80 QB Rating = No 2007 conditional draft pick). He was the fourth overall pick two years ago for a reason. It's not his fault that Drew Brees, who's only 26 years old, unexpectedly became a Pro Bowl QB...

If we don't get Rivers, I'd like to see us trade up to get Leinart or Quinn if he declares, or try to trade down and get Cutler at the bottom of the first-round/top of the second-round. I'd also consider bringing in Joey Harrington or David Carr if either one gets axed, especially if Leinart, Quinn and Rivers appear out of reach...

We need to find our QB of the future this offseason. Frerotte and Rosenfels are never going to lead us to a Super Bowl, and Lemon is probably a lemon...

I'm still high on Ryan Fitzpatrick. I wonder if the Rams would be willing to deal him for a fourth-round pick and a 2007 conditional pick...

 

[vinivedivichi]

In general, I think you are right; teams don't trade franchise quarterbacks.


I am very much in favor of trading for Rivers, and I think his situation is somewhat of an anomaly, thus the low percentages of success don't really apply

He was drafted to be the man in SD because they felt Brees had no future. They let Brees start the year since Rivers held out, and Brees proceeds to throw like a hall of famer. Once Brees started playing like he has been, you absolutely can't make a change. I don't care if Rivers looks like Dan Marino in practice, you don't bench a guy who is playing that well in favor of anybody - much less somebody with no experience. By all accounts the Chargers think that Rivers is a franchise quarterback, they just can't get him on the field.

I've heard a lot of people say that if Rivers was any good that Chargers wouldn't even trade him. Generally, that is true - teams don't trade franchise quarterbacks. In this case, however, they have no choice. Brees is essentially the same age, and playing lights out. Unless Rivers can play some other position, he's gonna end up being a career backup in San Diego.

 

[dlockz]

Rivers is the only QB I'd trade for. I'd give up our first-round pick and a conditional 2007 pick based upon his 2006 performance (Ex. Top five in passing yards + top five in passing TDs = 2007 first-round pick). He was the fourth overall pick two years ago for a reason. It's not his fault that Drew Brees unexpectedly became a Pro Bowl QB...

I'd like to see us trade up to get Leinart or Quinn, or try to trade down and get Cutler at the bottom of the first-round/top of the second-round. I'd also consider bringing in Joey Harrington or David Carr if either one gets axed.

Thanks for someone realizing that Rivers has done nothing wrong he just has a pro bowl type in front of him. Imagine if we had made the Hasselback trade years ago, i hated the idea of trading for an unknown like Hasselback damn I wish we had done it.

 

[Pauly]

In general, I think you are right; teams don't trade franchise quarterbacks.

I am very much in favor of trading for Rivers, and I think his situation is somewhat of an anomaly, thus the low percentages of success don't really apply

He was drafted to be the man in SD because they felt Brees had no future. They let Brees start the year since Rivers held out, and Brees proceeds to throw like a hall of famer. ...

That's a very good argument in favor of Rivers. I think we can add in the Rivers' rookie hold out which allowed Brees to get enough repititions to gel with the offense in the 2004 pre-season, and denying Rivers the same opportunity which had a lot to do with San Diego's decision to go with Brees in '04.

As for the other QBs out there I'd personally rather see us draft a QB than trade a pick for someone like Volek. Not that I have anything against Volek, it's just that the odds seem to favor us finding the "QB of the future" in the draft rather than in a trade.

 

[kastofsna120]

schaub, brees, or grossman are the NFL QBs i'd trade for. or i'd trade up to get leinart