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A realistic view of Culppeper...it's not as simple as you think!

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I think amidst all the negativity from the pessimists, and all the unwarranted optimism from the self-proclaimed "true fans", there is a middle ground of what should be considered realistic about Culpepper's situation.

Culpepper was never as good as hyped before signing in Miami, but he isn't as bad as he has played in the first two games, either. The truth is, Culpepper is a massive individual with amazing physical talent, a rocket arm, and good mobility. At the same time, Culpepper is also a guy who struggles under pressure, makes slow reads, and is prone to turnovers. These things are what Culpepper is, and always will be.

So, why the bad performance in Miami to date? I think there are several reasons, varying from rust to playcalling and the offensive line. However, the major factor here, is that I simply don't feel Culpepper is mentally able to play right now. Now before you flame me, at least hear me out.

Culpepper has always depended on his mobility to make plays. He would scramble to buy time for receivers to get open. He would run for solid gains when coverage got tight. He had a number 1 wideout that was always open, even when he was covered. He didn't have to throw until he was ready. He escaped pressure and was relaxed on the move, throwing from the pocket when he had to. The problem is, he has none of this in Miami.

Culpepper's knee is not 100%. This is a medical fact. Unfortunately, Culpepper's brain isn't anywhere near as healthy from the injury as the knee is itself. Culpepper is getting killed, because he doesn't trust his knee. Instead of buying time by rolling out of pressure, he stands in the pocket and takes the sack. When he does decide to move, it is usually after the pressure has encroached too much, and he gets taken down anyway. Staying in the pocket has revealed his poor field vision, that normally would be negated by a good scramble. Unfortunately, all he knows is that when he tries to run, he gets hit, and if he stays in the pocket he gets hit, so he dumps it off to the hot route or gets nothing at all. In short, no matter what the OL does, or what the OC calls, Culpepper is ALWAYS out of his element. This is a MENTAL problem.

This is a real catch-22 for Miami. They have a guy they know can be good, but he is going to abysmal until he is mentally ready to play HIS game. Right now, Daunte has hobbled himself, and asking him to run this offense is like asking Fiedler to convert to a deep passing game...it just doesn't work. So, do you bench him? That can damage his psyche enough that he may never play well again. Do you leave him in? If you do, every unsuccessful run he makes will make him doubt his knee all the more, removing him far from his game and generating more struggles.

It's just not as simple as benching him or playing him until he gets it right. The mistake here was in evaluating him for his first start and allowing him to get on the field before he was really healthy. Harrington should have started, not Daunte. This is a very delicate situation...I hope coach handles it well. I don't envy this coaching staff right now :shakeno:

Anyone clinging to hopes of a Superbowl or deep playoff appearance this year, it's time to let that go. Mental limitations are much harder to overcome than physical, and they take time. Expect a repeat of last year...slow start, strong at the end, but too little, too late. IF the Culpepper experiment is going to work, you won't see it until at least mid-season. Unfortunately, by next year, it's hard to say what our defense will have left in the tank :shakeno: It is the neverending fate of being a Dolphin's fan :tantrum:
 
Jesus bro...that last paragraph alone could make finheaven another Jim jones saga. Do you know how emotionally wrecked some of these people are right now.....
 
Although I try to stay realistic...

I guess I'm Finheaven's first official KOOL-AID drinker. I've drank enough Kool-Aid over the last sixteen years...

Still a lot of time to turn things around though!
 
Nice post. As a follower of Culpepper over the years I think you hit on many of the key points. He was started too early this year and should have waited until he was ready to bring the full scrambling package. It will be tough for him to get over his frail ego being damaged again.
 
Yeah, I totally agree. He stays in the pocket to long. Our O-Line is killing his process to re-gain his former glory.

Honestly We Gotta Hope that we can get the O-Line going good quickly
 
Yeah I think the problem is more mental than physical. And it does seem like he makes slow reads. But it is really hard to tell what is going on because we can't see the receivers and the coverage downfield. But, even if there is good coverage, the ball has to come out quicker. If the knee is still not 100%, he should be telling himself that his decisions and getting rid of the ball have to come quicker.
 
volk said:
It's just not as simple as benching him or playing him until he gets it right. The mistake here was in evaluating him for his first start and allowing him to get on the field before he was really healthy. Harrington should have started, not Daunte. This is a very delicate situation...I hope coach handles it well. I don't envy this coaching staff right now :shakeno:

Great take. You have to wonder if the team's Marketing people didn't have a hand in this ... the whole feel-good story of Local Boy Comes Home, the poor child who struggled early then at UCF and found success in the NFL.

FACT is that Saban recruited Joey Harrington not simply as "Backup" but to Start the season - back in February it was assumed Daunte would NOT be ready. Then the self appointed experts and Media critics started with their anti-Joey crap. Salguero at the Herald took his shots the 1st day of Camp.

Pre-season comes and Joey makes all the critics look like fools - pitching a TD his very first attempt and a good performance at Carolina. He's more mobile than Daunte, he's got a quicker release than Daunte, he seems poised and comfortable in the Offense. Still the "Start Daunte" craze is full speed ahead.

Well the Team has obviously committed a huge blunder. Hindsight being 20/20 but I guarantee you the #1 Draft Pick who is riding the pines is hungry and ready to finally begin his NFL career with a decent team. Problem is too many big Ego's who refuse to admit maybe they were WRONG on BOTH QB's - Daunte is the veteran backup - Joey Harrington the future.
 
DoggPhin said:
Great take. You have to wonder if the team's Marketing people didn't have a hand in this ... the whole feel-good story of Local Boy Comes Home, the poor child who struggled early then at UCF and found success in the NFL.

FACT is that Saban recruited Joey Harrington not simply as "Backup" but to Start the season - back in February it was assumed Daunte would NOT be ready. Then the self appointed experts and Media critics started with their anti-Joey crap. Salguero at the Herald took his shots the 1st day of Camp.

Pre-season comes and Joey makes all the critics look like fools - pitching a TD his very first attempt and a good performance at Carolina. He's more mobile than Daunte, he's got a quicker release than Daunte, he seems poised and comfortable in the Offense. Still the "Start Daunte" craze is full speed ahead.

Well the Team has obviously committed a huge blunder. Hindsight being 20/20 but I guarantee you the #1 Draft Pick who is riding the pines is hungry and ready to finally begin his NFL career with a decent team. Problem is too many big Ego's who refuse to admit maybe they were WRONG on BOTH QB's - Daunte is the veteran backup - Joey Harrington the future.

Ok, here is one more attempt to get you to understand where I and some other people are coming from. First of all, both Joey and Daunte were high first round picks. So I don't know why you keep harping on Joey's former draft status. Second, the reason we support Daunte over Joey is because Daunte has a past record of success and Joey does not. It is that simple. Joey's performance in a few preseason games against second stringers is not enough for me to think he can be better than Daunte.

Let me clarify this though. I am not saying Joey cannot be a good QB. I realize that he played on a poor team. And I support giving guys a second chance. But a few preseason games is just not enough. I don't see how he has better arm strength or mobility than Daunte. When Daunte is 100%, there is not a single QB out there maybe besides Vick that has more physical ability than Daunte. And as far as mentally, I don't see how Joey is better. The knock on him in Detroit is that he was thin-skinned and got happy feet. Now that may have been because of his surrounding team, but you still have to make some progress. Lets make a comparison. David Carr was the number one overall pick who went to a poor team. He has had one of the worst olines in the league to protect him and he has struggled. I think him and Harrington look pretty similar. Carr has thrown less picks and seems to be getting better. He has two straight years with more TDs than INTs. Joey has one year with more TDs than INTs and was benched in his final year with Detroit. Hell, maybe we should trade for Carr. He seems to meet you guys' criteria for a Dolphins starting QB. High draft pick, good arm, good mobility, more INTs than TDs, proved very little with previous team, and might get benched for a veteran who knows how to run an offense.

My point is that Harrington is more of an unproven commodity than Daunte is. Daunte has shown full seasons of dominance. Joey has shown one season of decent play and a good preseason against second stringers. I just don't see why you don't go with the proven guy, who you have more investing in, than the unproven guy. But you know what, if Joey is put in there, I hope he proves you guys right. I want to win. Plain and simple. I don't care who it takes back there. I just think that right now, Daunte is the one better equipped to help us win.
 
volk said:
I think amidst all the negativity from the pessimists, and all the unwarranted optimism from the self-proclaimed "true fans", there is a middle ground of what should be considered realistic about Culpepper's situation.

Culpepper was never as good as hyped before signing in Miami, but he isn't as bad as he has played in the first two games, either. The truth is, Culpepper is a massive individual with amazing physical talent, a rocket arm, and good mobility. At the same time, Culpepper is also a guy who struggles under pressure, makes slow reads, and is prone to turnovers. These things are what Culpepper is, and always will be.

So, why the bad performance in Miami to date? I think there are several reasons, varying from rust to playcalling and the offensive line. However, the major factor here, is that I simply don't feel Culpepper is mentally able to play right now.


Give it up dude. Did you watch any of Daunte's games last year before he got hurt? Yesterday's performance was actually better than most of the 7 games he played last year. The same excuses you're making I heard a million times from Dauste's supporters here last season. The only problem is that 37 year old Brad Johnson took the exact same team that Daunte sucked with, and went 7-2 to almost make the playoffs. Same coaches, same O-line, same receivers. Two reasons Daunte sucks. No Moss - No Linehan. Without them
he's a mediocre backup.
 
I think everyone is just wondering when and if we are going to see the guy who put up stats like this in his profile when we got him in the trade.

http://www.miamidolphins.com/newsite/news/top_story.asp?contentID=4381&lid=4381

This is what got me excited about Daunte when we got the news about the trade:

AMONG ALL-TIME LEADERS IN PASSER RATING

In his career, Culpepper has posted a career passer rating of 91.5, including a single-season best of 110.9. His career mark ranks fifth all-time in NFL history while his season figure is fourth:

CAREER PASSER RATING
1. Steve Young (1985-99) - 96.8
2. Kurt Warner (1999-05) - 94.1
3. Peyton Manning (1998-05) - 93.5
4. Joe Montana (1979-94) - 92.3
5. Daunte Culpepper (1999-05) - 91.5

SINGLE-SEASON PASSER RATING
1. Peyton Manning, Ind. (2004) - 121.1
2. Steve Young, S.F. (1994) - 112.8
3. Joe Montana, S.F. (1989) - 112.4
4. Daunte Culpepper, Minn. (2004) - 110.9
5. Milt Plum, Cleve. (1960) - 110.4


You gotta admit, Daunte has had some impressive stats. This is way beyond what we've had in a QB since Marino. That couldn't all be because of Moss and Linehan. Hopefully, Mularkey has watched lots of film of Daunte at Minnesota and has a good idea of what plays he was consistently good at ... with or without Moss.

Mularkey should have the experience to know what our team's strengths and weaknesses are by now and know how choose plays that fit our players talents ... hopefully as well as Linehan. Hopefully, he's going to choose just the right plays at just the right times for Daunte this week. If Daunte needs a really good OC in order to play well, then Coach Mularkey needs to find a way to make it happen.

As far as Moss goes, I think Chambers is getting close to being up there with receivers like him. He has the speed but not quite the height, but he makes up for it with incredible jumping ability ... he reminds me of a receiver from the 70s I saw on an NFL Films thing about the Steelers ... Lynn Swann. If Chris played in the NBA he'd probably be one of those guys who is in all the dunking contests. :D
 
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