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Tannchise

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Miami is not in the best cap position in the NFL in 2018. I've seen one website where we have $16M available. But I've heard it was less. I think everyone agrees that Miami is starving for talent, both younger and cheaper. I think some of you agree that in 2018 we have opportunities to shed salaries, however, to gain nothing in return would put us in a precarious position. So my question is, should Miami start to plant the seeds with teams like Cleveland, SF and Indy, to trade some players for draft picks, once those teams can absorb the salaries and for those teams to be competitive, they probably need to spend some money, instead of just depending on the draft? In addition, these teams may not attract free agents, so a trade would be a way of acquiring players.

My thinking is Miami has a ton of salary on players that for years haven't transcended this team. Getting picks would not only provide depth and get us younger, but also not leave the team so void that they are forced to again bring in free agents and continue this mediocre run. In other words, why cut players to sign more free agents? Miami needs to stop using free agency as a way of building their team. Another angle is Miami stockpiling picks to move up in the draft. So if you are Clev or SF, you absorb some salary by trading for Miami's veterans. Well, Clev and SF (for example) has very high picks in the draft, that could be attractive to Miami. Maybe Miami can utilize these picks to move up, essentially giving those picks back to those teams. It isn't an exact science, but I think you get what I am saying: shed salaries for picks and move up in the draft with those picks.

I'm sure a lot of you will complain, however, it is insane to keep thinking that the same players, after 5-10 years, will finally all put it together. It is time to move on from players
 
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I think the problem is, if the players with the large salaries aren't doing well for us, why would someone trade for them? I think we need to restructure those large salaries and make some cuts. It would be nice if we could get some game time for those youngsters on the bench too. We need to see if they have potential and are worth investing more time in.
 
So your saying we need to shed players/salaries so we can draft more players? Uh, kinda wondering why as we haven't been any good at drafting since JJ. I think we would have a bunch of crappy low salaried players/draftees who can't play rather than a few decent players we paid too much for. We're in a perpetual Catch 22 situation and I don't see an end in sight.
 
I'm sure a lot of you will complain, however, it is insane to keep thinking that the same players, after 5-10 years, will finally all put it together. It is time to move on from players
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2012 Miami Dolphins Roster


AlphabeticalNumericalBy Position

# Player Pos
29 Jonathon Amaya DB
87 Anthony Armstrong WR
90 Ryan Baker DE
15 Davone Bess WR
19 Armon Binns WR
73 Patrick Brown OT
56 Kevin Burnett LB
22 Reggie Bush RB
5 Dan Carpenter K
28 Nolan Carroll DB
42 Charles Clay TE
30 Chris Clemons DB
32 Michael Coe DB
36 Tyrone Culver Db
58 Karlos Dansby LB
92 John Denney DE
7 Pat Devlin QB
84 Michael Egnew TE
80 Anthony Fasano TE
2 Brandon Fields P
90 Andre Fluellen DT
59 Jonathan Freeny LB
10 Jabar Gaffney WR
75 Nate Garner OT
82 Brian Hartline WR
68 Richie Incognito C
74 John Jerry OT
20 Reshad Jones DB
57 Josh Kaddu LB
9 Nate Kaeding K
41 Jorvorskie Lane RB
77 Jake Long OT
31 Richard Marshall DB
71 Jonathan Martin OT
88 Jeron Mastrud TE
86 Rishard Matthews WR
23 Bryan McCann DB
37 Kelcie McCray DB
78 Tony McDaniel DT
87 Kyle Miller TE
26 Lamar Miller RB
55 Koa Misi DE
14 Marlon Moore WR
8 Matt Moore QB
19 Legedu Naanee WR
23 Troy Nolan DB
98 Jared Odrick DT
32 Dimitri Patterson
38 Julian Posey DB
51 Mike Pouncey C
21 De'Andre Presley
97 Kheeston Randall DT
52 Mike Rivera LB
40 Anderson Russell DB
64 Josh Samuda OG
79 Derrick Shelby DE
24 Sean Smith DB
96 Paul Soliai DT
53 Austin Spitler LB
25 R.J. Stanford DB
94 Randy Starks DT
17 Ryan Tannehill QB
34 Marcus Thigpen WR
33 Daniel Thomas RB
93 Jason Trusnik LB
50 Olivier Vernon DE
91 Cameron Wake DE
27 Jimmy Wilson DB
72 Will Yeatman TE

Miami Dolphins Roster (2017)




# Player Pos
35 Walt Aikens DB
59 Chase Allen LB
47 Kiko Alonso LB
44 Stephone Anthony LB
68 Isaac Asiata OG
50 Andre Branch DE
64 Jake Brendel C
74 Jermon Bushrod OT
88 Leonte Carroo WR
6 Jay Cutler QB
77 Jesse Davis OT
92 John Denney DE
85 A.J. Derby TE
32 Kenyan Drake RB
9 David Fales QB
80 Anthony Fasano TE
78 Terrence Fede DE
56 Davon Godchaux DT
19 Jakeem Grant WR
48 MarQueis Gray RB
16 Matt Haack P
90 Charles Harris
46 Neville Hewitt LB
25 Xavien Howard DB
45 Mike Hull LB
20 Reshad Jones DB
14 Jarvis Landry WR
62 Ted Larsen OG
21 Jordan Lucas DB
75 Cameron Malveaux
28 Bobby McCain DB
22 T.J. McDonald DB
33 Torry McTyer DB
8 Matt Moore QB
11 DeVante Parker W
1 Cody Parkey K
34 Senorise Perry R
97 Jordan Phillips DT
51 Mike Pouncey C
38 De'Veon Smith RB
71 Zach Sterup OG
10 Kenny Stills WR
93 Ndamukong Suh DT
30 Cordrea Tankersley DB
96 Vincent Taylor DT
89 Julius Thomas TE
31 Michael Thomas DB
94 Lawrence Timmons LB
67 Laremy Tunsil OT
42 Alterraun Verner DB
91 Cameron Wake DE
26 Damien Williams RB
79 Sam Young OT

Yes, Miami keeps all their players from 5 years ago.
 
TeeMoney said:

2012 Miami Dolphins Roster


AlphabeticalNumericalBy Position

# Player Pos
29 Jonathon Amaya DB
87 Anthony Armstrong WR
90 Ryan Baker DE
15 Davone Bess WR
19 Armon Binns WR
73 Patrick Brown OT
56 Kevin Burnett LB
22 Reggie Bush RB
5 Dan Carpenter K
28 Nolan Carroll DB
42 Charles Clay TE
30 Chris Clemons DB
32 Michael Coe DB
36 Tyrone Culver Db
58 Karlos Dansby LB
92 John Denney DE
7 Pat Devlin QB
84 Michael Egnew TE
80 Anthony Fasano TE
2 Brandon Fields P
90 Andre Fluellen DT
59 Jonathan Freeny LB
10 Jabar Gaffney WR
75 Nate Garner OT
82 Brian Hartline WR
68 Richie Incognito C
74 John Jerry OT
20 Reshad Jones DB
57 Josh Kaddu LB
9 Nate Kaeding K
41 Jorvorskie Lane RB
77 Jake Long OT
31 Richard Marshall DB
71 Jonathan Martin OT
88 Jeron Mastrud TE
86 Rishard Matthews WR
23 Bryan McCann DB
37 Kelcie McCray DB
78 Tony McDaniel DT
87 Kyle Miller TE
26 Lamar Miller RB
55 Koa Misi DE
14 Marlon Moore WR
8 Matt Moore QB
19 Legedu Naanee WR
23 Troy Nolan DB
98 Jared Odrick DT
32 Dimitri Patterson
38 Julian Posey DB
51 Mike Pouncey C
21 De'Andre Presley
97 Kheeston Randall DT
52 Mike Rivera LB
40 Anderson Russell DB
64 Josh Samuda OG
79 Derrick Shelby DE
24 Sean Smith DB
96 Paul Soliai DT
53 Austin Spitler LB
25 R.J. Stanford DB
94 Randy Starks DT
17 Ryan Tannehill QB
34 Marcus Thigpen WR
33 Daniel Thomas RB
93 Jason Trusnik LB
50 Olivier Vernon DE
91 Cameron Wake DE
27 Jimmy Wilson DB
72 Will Yeatman TE

Miami Dolphins Roster (2017)




# Player Pos
35 Walt Aikens DB
59 Chase Allen LB
47 Kiko Alonso LB
44 Stephone Anthony LB
68 Isaac Asiata OG
50 Andre Branch DE
64 Jake Brendel C
74 Jermon Bushrod OT
88 Leonte Carroo WR
6 Jay Cutler QB
77 Jesse Davis OT
92 John Denney DE
85 A.J. Derby TE
32 Kenyan Drake RB
9 David Fales QB
80 Anthony Fasano TE
78 Terrence Fede DE
56 Davon Godchaux DT
19 Jakeem Grant WR
48 MarQueis Gray RB
16 Matt Haack P
90 Charles Harris
46 Neville Hewitt LB
25 Xavien Howard DB
45 Mike Hull LB
20 Reshad Jones DB
14 Jarvis Landry WR
62 Ted Larsen OG
21 Jordan Lucas DB
75 Cameron Malveaux
28 Bobby McCain DB
22 T.J. McDonald DB
33 Torry McTyer DB
8 Matt Moore QB
11 DeVante Parker W
1 Cody Parkey K
34 Senorise Perry R
97 Jordan Phillips DT
51 Mike Pouncey C
38 De'Veon Smith RB
71 Zach Sterup OG
10 Kenny Stills WR
93 Ndamukong Suh DT
30 Cordrea Tankersley DB
96 Vincent Taylor DT
89 Julius Thomas TE
31 Michael Thomas DB
94 Lawrence Timmons LB
67 Laremy Tunsil OT
42 Alterraun Verner DB
91 Cameron Wake DE
26 Damien Williams RB
79 Sam Young OT

Yes, Miami keeps all their players from 5 years ago.
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lol

Ozzy rules!!
 
It's hard to trade off vets and get value in the NFL.

I think it's important moving forward for the team to add depth in free agency and make smarter moves.
 
Tannchise said:
Miami is not in the best cap position in the NFL in 2018. I've seen one website where we have $16M available. But I've heard it was less. I think everyone agrees that Miami is starving for talent, both younger and cheaper. I think some of you agree that in 2018 we have opportunities to shed salaries, however, to gain nothing in return would put us in a precarious position. So my question is, should Miami start to plant the seeds with teams like Cleveland, SF and Indy, to trade some players for draft picks, once those teams can absorb the salaries and for those teams to be competitive, they probably need to spend some money, instead of just depending on the draft? In addition, these teams may not attract free agents, so a trade would be a way of acquiring players.

My thinking is Miami has a ton of salary on players that for years haven't transcended this team. Getting picks would not only provide depth and get us younger, but also not leave the team so void that they are forced to again bring in free agents and continue this mediocre run. In other words, why cut players to sign more free agents? Miami needs to stop using free agency as a way of building their team. Another angle is Miami stockpiling picks to move up in the draft. So if you are Clev or SF, you absorb some salary by trading for Miami's veterans. Well, Clev and SF (for example) has very high picks in the draft, that could be attractive to Miami. Maybe Miami can utilize these picks to move up, essentially giving those picks back to those teams. It isn't an exact science, but I think you get what I am saying: shed salaries for picks and move up in the draft with those picks.

I'm sure a lot of you will complain, however, it is insane to keep thinking that the same players, after 5-10 years, will finally all put it together. It is time to move on from players
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We can potentially have 44 million in cap space by restructuring a few deals. The cap situation is fine. However, I’m with you as far as trading some guys for picks. I just don’t think the return will be what you think. The only players that will command high picks are players that we need to keep. In fact, most of the players that we should get rid of have little to no trade value at all. I am a firm believer in building through the draft. My preference is to never sign high priced FA’s because you’re paying for past performance.
 
hab321 said:
So your saying we need to shed players/salaries so we can draft more players? Uh, kinda wondering why as we haven't been any good at drafting since JJ. I think we would have a bunch of crappy low salaried players/draftees who can't play rather than a few decent players we paid too much for. We're in a perpetual Catch 22 situation and I don't see an end in sight.
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Draft is a crapshoot. It’s always better to have more picks This is something we haven’t done since JJ. It’s also a different regime so what happened in the past doesn’t matter. However, if we can’t draft decent players then someone needs to lose their job. The answer is never to overpay free agents. That is why we are here.
 
Restructuring suh and tannehill are our best options at getting room. Both have reasons to listen. Suh because he could extend his high paying seasons by 2 or 3. Tannehill because they have leverage on him due to the knee issue. Maybe neither will, but hopefully at least one does.
 
The first thing dolphins should do is fix og in free agent. at leased two good one .resign jarvis...draft qb if available DE and bigger faster rb. Cb og lb
 
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