A True Number 1

[phinasota]

So for all the people who still think Ginn can develop into a number 1 reciever, all I have to say is watch mr. Percy Harvin. That dude is what it's all about. I sit and read all these posts about how it takes 3 yrs to develop and this and that. Again, I say watch Percy Harvin and he will prove oyu wrong. Hell, watch Pierre Garcon for that matter. I'm not dissing anyone my point is Ginn is just not it. We need another answer to produce right away like these boys. Anyone know of any prospects coming out of college we could get ?

 

[ADavieDolphin]

umm both of those wr's have HOF Qb's throwing to them..

Percy is not a true number one man. Just cuz someone is good does not make them a number one. he's a no. 2-3 in that offense, and the vikings have a much better wr corps than us.

I agree Harvin looks better than Ginn, but it's hard to guage because of who Ginn had throwing to him.

Ginn will never be a no.1, he's a dangerous 2 guy, too bad we don't have a #1. Percy Harvin would not be a #1 on our team. thats just not his position.

andre johnson, larry, vincent jackson.. these guys are one's due to their height/size/position on the field.

 

[phinasota]

umm both of those wr's have HOF Qb's throwing to them..

Percy is not a true number one man. Just cuz someone is good does not make them a number one. he's a no. 2-3 in that offense, and the vikings have a much better wr corps than us.

I agree Harvin looks better than Ginn, but it's hard to guage because of who Ginn had throwing to him.

Ginn will never be a no.1, he's a dangerous 2 guy, too bad we don't have a #1. Percy Harvin would not be a #1 on our team. thats just not his position.

andre johnson, larry, vincent jackson.. these guys are one's due to their height/size/position on the field.

ok then... look at B. Marshall. He's got K. Orton throwing to him and look at the things he did yesterday.... but I can see your point on who is throwing to him... but still, Ginn's had chances and has failed. This year I mean...

 

[ciscoholgate]

So for all the people who still think Ginn can develop into a number 1 reciever, all I have to say is watch mr. Percy Harvin. That dude is what it's all about. I sit and read all these posts about how it takes 3 yrs to develop and this and that. Again, I say watch Percy Harvin and he will prove oyu wrong. Hell, watch Pierre Garcon for that matter. I'm not dissing anyone my point is Ginn is just not it. We need another answer to produce right away like these boys. Anyone know of any prospects coming out of college we could get ?

I really doubt either of those guys makes it to 1,000 yards. Very few rookie WRs have even accomplished this. The main two off the top of my head are Anquan Boldin and Randy Moss. I think the other two are Marques Colston and Michael Clayton.

 

[phinasota]

I really doubt either of those guys makes it to 1,000 yards. Very few rookie WRs have even accomplished this. The main two off the top of my head are Anquan Boldin and Randy Moss. I think the other two are Marques Colston and Michael Clayton.

What I'm trying to say is it doesn't take 3 yrs to prove anything. If you going to be good in this league it shows right away. I know there are exceptions but I pointed these two out because of the big plays they have made so far and plays they are able to make. I mean, Garcon had that TD catch against us and it wasn't a beautiful pass by any means, it was his ability to make a play. Thats what we need. Besides Bess, we need help. Our receivers are descent but we need a big playmaker.

 

[ciscoholgate]

What I'm trying to say is it doesn't take 3 yrs to prove anything. If you going to be good in this league it shows right away. I know there are exceptions but I pointed these two out because of the big plays they have made so far and plays they are able to make. I mean, Garcon had that TD catch against us and it wasn't a beautiful pass by any means, it was his ability to make a play. Thats what we need. Besides Bess, we need help. Our receivers are descent but we need a big playmaker.

SHOWING potential means nothing. Hell, by what Chambers SHOWED his rookie year, you would've thought he would have been All-Pro. Fact is, you don't know what you got at WR until after at LEAST three seasons.

 

[jim1]

umm both of those wr's have HOF Qb's throwing to them..

Percy is not a true number one man. Just cuz someone is good does not make them a number one. he's a no. 2-3 in that offense, and the vikings have a much better wr corps than us.

I agree Harvin looks better than Ginn, but it's hard to guage because of who Ginn had throwing to him.

Ginn will never be a no.1, he's a dangerous 2 guy, too bad we don't have a #1. Percy Harvin would not be a #1 on our team. thats just not his position.

andre johnson, larry, vincent jackson.. these guys are one's due to their height/size/position on the field.

Bullcrap. No receiver on the Fins roster could compete with Harvin to be the #1. He has it all- speed, hands, strength, quickness. Nice catch and run on that big play, great block in the 1st half btw. It would be nice if he were a couple of inches taller, but to say he can't be a #1, and even more ridiculous that he wouldn't be the #1 on our WR depleted team, is absurd.

 

[phinasota]

Bullcrap. No receiver on the Fins roster could compete with Harvin to be the #1. He has it all- speed, hands, strength, quickness. Nice catch and run on that big play, great block in the 1st half btw. It would be nice if he were a couple of inches taller, but to say he can't be a #1, and even more ridiculous that he wouldn't be the #1 on our WR depleted team, is absurd.

Yeah he did block the **** out of that guy!!! That was awesome!!!!!

 

[PorrotheDolfan]

I've been sayin this for the past few years, Ted Ginn will never be a #1 receiver, what he will be is a great weapon if Henne proves to be a good QB, Ginn can burn just about anybody, he's dangerous in the open field, with Pennington whenever he got the ball deep it was under thrown, to the point were Teddy would have to slow down for the ball to reach him, or turn around and catch it over defenders, if Henne can hit Ginn in stride he'ss be a dangerous weapon, but that's not gonna happen if he's getting double teams, if we get a true #1 receiver that takes the attention away from Ginn, and if it doesn't than our #1 will be open all day. What we need to hope for is that Patrick Turner develops into our #1 WR, or we need to address that through the draft or FA, If Dez Bryant is available when we draft, we need to go with him

 

[j-off-her-doll]

Not defending Ginn, but **** Harvin. He'll never be a #1.

 

[3rdandinches]

The problem with Ginn lies in the eye of the beholder, the ones who think he should be a number 1 purely because of draft status. Ginn wasn't a number 1 WR in college, he was a utility that exploded through defenses in special teams and on offense. We have basically eliminated his ability to be explosive on special teams and he's now on his 5th QB in 3 years.

The kid has a chance to be a solid/exciting number 2 but since we have no #1 it will continue to be a struggle. He has a role on this team and hopefully after riding the pines for the last game he'll bounce back with a solid night against the NYJ.

Comparing him to different WR's in the league does what exactly? Helps your argue that he sucks I guess! There's no telling if Ginn was in Indy he wouldn't be exploding on the field, there he'd be the 3rd option like Garcon is. Defenses worry about Wayne first, Clark 2nd and therefore allowing single coverage to everyone else. Garcon took advantage of a great situation. Ginn doesn't have that same great situation just like TO is struggling in Buffalo because of their offense and QB. Now Ginn isn't TO but you can see how a great WR is struggling for success in his environment and Ginn is struggling here. Henne changes everything once he gets real comfortable in the pocket and with our WR's timing wise, this will take 4/5 more weeks working with the starters for the first time now.

Point being let's not give up on Ginn, he could help us greatly going into the future. This doesn't change the need for a #1 WR next off-season.

 

[phinasota]

The problem with Ginn lies in the eye of the beholder, the ones who think he should be a number 1 purely because of draft status. Ginn wasn't a number 1 WR in college, he was a utility that exploded through defenses in special teams and on offense. We have basically eliminated his ability to be explosive on special teams and he's now on his 5th QB in 3 years.

The kid has a chance to be a solid/exciting number 2 but since we have no #1 it will continue to be a struggle. He has a role on this team and hopefully after riding the pines for the last game he'll bounce back with a solid night against the NYJ.

Comparing him to different WR's in the league does what exactly? Helps your argue that he sucks I guess! There's no telling if Ginn was in Indy he wouldn't be exploding on the field, there he'd be the 3rd option like Garcon is. Defenses worry about Wayne first, Clark 2nd and therefore allowing single coverage to everyone else. Garcon took advantage of a great situation. Ginn doesn't have that same great situation just like TO is struggling in Buffalo because of their offense and QB. Now Ginn isn't TO but you can see how a great WR is struggling for success in his environment and Ginn is struggling here. Henne changes everything once he gets real comfortable in the pocket and with our WR's timing wise, this will take 4/5 more weeks working with the starters for the first time now.

Point being let's not give up on Ginn, he could help us greatly going into the future. This doesn't change the need for a #1 WR next off-season.

Well thats a compelling argument. Nice! But ok, so who do we look at in the draft next year then??

 

[Astrosback]

Forgetabout "#1" WR, Ginn shouldn't even be starting - not even on our team.

I think we should trade him to KC for Dwayne Bowe if we could - even if we had to throw in a little extra (maybe Matt Roth?) to get the deal done.

Bowe is the real deal.

Maybe Pioli would give his father-in-law the ol family discount?

 

[Astrosback]

The problem with Ginn lies in the eye of the beholder, the ones who think he should be a number 1 purely because of draft status. Ginn wasn't a number 1 WR in college, he was a utility that exploded through defenses in special teams and on offense. We have basically eliminated his ability to be explosive on special teams and he's now on his 5th QB in 3 years.

The kid has a chance to be a solid/exciting number 2 but since we have no #1 it will continue to be a struggle. He has a role on this team and hopefully after riding the pines for the last game he'll bounce back with a solid night against the NYJ.

Comparing him to different WR's in the league does what exactly? Helps your argue that he sucks I guess! There's no telling if Ginn was in Indy he wouldn't be exploding on the field, there he'd be the 3rd option like Garcon is. Defenses worry about Wayne first, Clark 2nd and therefore allowing single coverage to everyone else. Garcon took advantage of a great situation. Ginn doesn't have that same great situation just like TO is struggling in Buffalo because of their offense and QB. Now Ginn isn't TO but you can see how a great WR is struggling for success in his environment and Ginn is struggling here. Henne changes everything once he gets real comfortable in the pocket and with our WR's timing wise, this will take 4/5 more weeks working with the starters for the first time now.

Point being let's not give up on Ginn, he could help us greatly going into the future. This doesn't change the need for a #1 WR next off-season.

If he was on any other team (like Indy), and assuming he wasn't a high draft pick, he'd have trouble getting any playing time b/c 1.) he doesn't block in the running game and 2.) his hands are average at best and 3.) he doesn't fight for any balls.

Basically, take away his status and he would've been Anthony Armstrong i.e. fringe player who looks fast in shorts but probably gets cut after looking too soft in pads.

 

[3rdandinches]

Well thats a compelling argument. Nice! But ok, so who do we look at in the draft next year then??

We don't, we look at FA to get a proven player to step in right away. I think we need to draft defense next year and maybe a runningback if RB is not re-signed.
E.Berry would make our secondary one of the scariest to face, better then Pitts and Balt because our CB's can play.
ILB is equally important, Crowder needs to be someone's helper just like Ginn needs a #1 to help him.
NT depth is always gonna be important.

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V.Jackson/B.Marshall/B.Edwards/TO/L.Evans/C.Henry - one of them would help us out alot next year. C.Henry maybe a surprise to many but he has the skills to be an excellent #1. Some will probably be franchised but if you could grab one of these guys it will make a world of difference for Henne and Ginn.