Abramson: Dolphins to seek "upgrade" to Miller, notes on Tannehill, Jordan, D. Thomas

[So Be]

I think if you put 10 people in a room and asked them to watch tape and record "pressures", you would get 10 very different numbers. The "pressures" stat is very ambiguous.

OK, let's just go sacks, which everyone knows. PFF has Miller for 2, and DT for 3. How many do you have?

 

[hoops]

It's NOT Gospel but, I don't see anything better out there. How many games/plays did you watch Blount on?

more than enough i'd say

 

[Zounds]

OK, let's just go sacks, which everyone knows. PFF has Miller for 2, and DT for 3. How many do you have?

I wasn't talking about sacks. Sacks can be defined and are therefore quantifiable. When counting sacks, those 10 viewers will come up with the same number. I was talking about the "pressures" stat, which isnt quantifiable imo, and 10 different people will get 10 different numbers when watching a game. There is a reason why "pressures" isnt an official stat....because there is no official way of measuring it, and the exact reason why watching he game is the best indicator or performance.

 

[So Be]

I wasn't talking about sacks. Sacks can be defined and are therefore quantifiable. When counting sacks, those 10 viewers will come up with the same number. I was talking about the "pressures" stat, which isnt quantifiable imo, and 10 different people will get 10 different numbers when watching a game. There is a reason why "pressures" isnt an official stat....because there is no official way of measuring it, and the exact reason why watching he game is the best indicator or performance.

Z, I made it simple but, if ya want to go further, tell me which RB's in the NFL are better in pass blocking? OR, somewhere else to find a better run down?

 

[So Be]

more than enough i'd say

Can you be a little more vague? :)

I don't dispute what you know, actually enjoy reading all of what you post. However, there comes a point where you or anyone here cannot compete with PFF. Hell, the NFL, agents, and every media known uses them. Are they all wrong?

 

[Zounds]

Z, I made it simple but, if ya want to go further, tell me which RB's in the NFL are better in pass blocking? OR, somewhere else to find a better run down?

All I'm saying is watch a game and see if you get the same number of "pressures" that PPF does. Just 1 game - go get the all-22 from NFL.com, it takes 40 minutes or less to watch a game. Take your notes without getting the PPF numbers first. If you get a different number that what they get, then put down the PPF pipe.

 

[So Be]

All I'm saying is watch a game and see if you get the same number of "pressures" that PPF does. Just 1 game - go get the all-22 from NFL.com, it takes 40 minutes or less to watch a game. Take your notes without getting the PPF numbers first. If you get a different number that what they get, then put down the PPF pipe.

Pick a game, and tell me what you came up with? That's fair.

 

[phins_4_ever]

Can you be a little more vague? :)

I don't dispute what you know, actually enjoy reading all of what you post. However, there comes a point where you or anyone here cannot compete with PFF. Hell, the NFL, agents, and every media known uses them. Are they all wrong?

Remember who you are talking to. Someone who declares to know more than NFL people though he doesn't work for the NFL.

 

[hoops]

Remember who you are talking to. Someone who declares to know more than NFL people though he doesn't work for the NFL.

yeah cause they always get everything right don't they...you ever gonna answer that question about what was the major problem in the other thread??? or you gonna dodge it

 

[So Be]

Remember who you are talking to. Someone who declares to know more than NFL people though he doesn't work for the NFL.

MANY here claim to know what they do not as GM's, OC's and the like. Hoops does know what he posts but, sometimes gets a bit carried away.

 

[hoops]

carried away cause i dont agree with pffs rankings on contact with lamar miller...well fair enough calgon take me away

 

[Phinatic8u]

Just because somebody doesn't work for the NFL doesn't mean there not as good as guys that work in the NFL.

Remember, Jeff Ireland was a GM

 

[So Be]

carried away cause i dont agree with pffs rankings on contact with lamar miller...well fair enough calgon take me away

NOT at all, just in general. In every time when we compared you and PFF for players in a game, you both agreed.

 

[Zounds]

Pick a game, and tell me what you came up with? That's fair.

Ive already compared my notes to theirs on many occasions, and that's why I stopped subscribing to that site years ago. I'm just suggesting you validate the stats you are trying to use as a measuring stick. Sacks can be easily measured, QB hits are somewhat iffy, and the whole "hurries/pressures" is completely ambiguous and unmethodical on PFF.

If you would like to compare notes for a game, I'd love to see what we come up with vs the PFF. I suggest the 2nd Buffalo game or the Baltimore game if you want to compare pressures - games where we were destroyed by the pass rush.

 

[Zounds]

Can you be a little more vague? :)

Hell, the NFL, agents, and every media known uses them. Are they all wrong?

I dont think they are all wrong, I just don't think they have the time to watch every snap by every player over the course of a season. Some back of the envelope math here: every player is graded individually.....so an average of 70 plays per game (including special teams), 22 players per play, that's 1540 views needed to grade every player for every play in 1 game. Multiply that by 256 games per year, and that's about 400,000 individual views. Thats a lot of work, and its easier to cite a 3rd party.

On top of that, it would take more than 1 viewer to grade all of those players for every snap, which makes it virtually impossible to grade 400,000 individual plays the same way. We've seen that concept on these very boards - 5 guys interpreting a play 5 different ways. That's why those PPF metrics don't work very well imo.