AFC East Quarterback Rankings

[DisturbedShifty]

The fact that you are using an '09-'11 window to glorify your 2 title "appearances" as the ONLY team in the NFL to have to done it, is hilarious.

Normally appreciate your posts, but this thread has proven to host some of your more ridiculous, delusional conclusions.

Let me clarify for you. He only uses that time frame because that is the time Rex Ryan has been head coach. It seems that any other time before that does not count.

But by that logic then that means the playoff wins over the Pata during that time frame are meaningless because Belichick has been in New England for over a decade.


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[Canadianfishfan]

I'm sure if the superstar receiver Brandon Marshall caught those TDs he dropped, people would be thinking otherwise.

Not saying Moore is the **** by any means. But he was the best we had on the roster last year. I fully expect Gerrard to beat him out.

 

[nyjunc]

Yes, throwing 31 TD's does make throwing 25 INT's ok, assuming he still lead his team to a winning record and held an above average QBR. A higher QBR translates to more yardage and a higher completion percentage which, in turn, translates to longer more successful drives and winning games. Had the Taco thrown 7 TD's to go along with his 5 INT game and managed to win it too, I'd say the same thing about him.

I'd be willing to bet none of Eli's 4INT games came against Buffalo.

Eli has 2 Superbowl MVP's in 3 years. At that rate, I'd say he can have all the 4 INT games he wants. When the Taco has even one SB appearance to go along with his abysmal stats you can harp on him all you want and not receive an argument from me. Swap teams with Eli and Taco, Eli takes the jests to 2 SB's, probably 4 or 5, and Taco still has 0 SB appearances.

winnign record and not postseasons are ok>? he clearly had SB caliber talent around him and failed to reahc postseason largely b/c he threw 25 INTs. Week 16 was the big game at GB, if they win that one they make the playoffs so what did he do? Throw FOUR INTs in a blowout loss.

Mark does not compare to Eli anymore, Mark was better in 2010 but 2 SBs takes mark out of any conversation w/ Eli for now.

He was a hell of a lot better QB those 2 seasons and made far more contributions then Trent Dilfer did. Yes the same Trent Dilfer you stated made significant contributions to the Ravens winning a Super Bowl.

We were discussing Eli and the Raiders won the SB a few years before Plunkett won his, bal never reached a SB before or after Dilfer.

You constantly contradict yourself and it's beyond annoying.
You praise Trent Dilfer because he didn't have great (or even remotely decent) stats but he was a "winner" and you always bring up the fact that Baltimore hasn't been back to the super bowl without him... (Because no other factors had anything to do with the Ravens success, just Dilfer... Genius)
Then you turn around and bash Eli because he's a winner yet you claim that he doesn't have the stats to make him elite, which is wrong anyway so you're entire argument is absolutely dumb beyond words.
The entire basis of your argument is completely contradictory and outrages. You are clearly a jilted Jets fan who is upset about the fact that the Giants have an ELIte, super bowl MVP at QB and the Jets have nothing but garbage at the position. It's really a joke, you need to start allowing facts to get in the way of your opinions. You obviously don't watch Giants football, if you did you would know that the year when he threw 25 picks, half of them were not even close to being his fault.
Long story short, everything you say is wrong, and blatantly stupid.

I am not contradicting anything, you guys keep changing the argumens so things change. I wasn't bashing Eli or Jim Plunkett but they were/are not elite QBs despite winning 2 SBs, they were vital to the succes of their teams but that doesn't make them elite.

I never bashed Eli, saying he is not elite is not bashing him. I just want to know how a QB who won 9 and 10 games in SB years, missed 2 of the last 3 postseasons, threw 25 INTs a year ago, has won playoff games in only 2 of 8 seasons and has never made a 1st or 2nd team all pro team considered elite?

Hell, if you can place Trent Dilfer on a pedastool, why not make a case for Jim Plunkett?

I never knocked Plunkett, I simply stated he wasn't a great QB just like Eli. I didn't bash Eli either.

Let me clarify for you. He only uses that time frame because that is the time Rex Ryan has been head coach. It seems that any other time before that does not count.

But by that logic then that means the playoff wins over the Pata during that time frame are meaningless because Belichick has been in New England for over a decade.


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The other time count but we are discussing the current Jets, the Rex led Jets. You wanted include the entire history? we aren't very good, I don't get the point?

 

[insomnia411]

winnign record and not postseasons are ok>? he clearly had SB caliber talent around him and failed to reahc postseason largely b/c he threw 25 INTs. Week 16 was the big game at GB, if they win that one they make the playoffs so what did he do? Throw FOUR INTs in a blowout loss.

Mark does not compare to Eli anymore, Mark was better in 2010 but 2 SBs takes mark out of any conversation w/ Eli for now.



We were discussing Eli and the Raiders won the SB a few years before Plunkett won his, bal never reached a SB before or after Dilfer.



I am not contradicting anything, you guys keep changing the argumens so things change. I wasn't bashing Eli or Jim Plunkett but they were/are not elite QBs despite winning 2 SBs, they were vital to the succes of their teams but that doesn't make them elite.

I never bashed Eli, saying he is not elite is not bashing him. I just want to know how a QB who won 9 and 10 games in SB years, missed 2 of the last 3 postseasons, threw 25 INTs a year ago, has won playoff games in only 2 of 8 seasons and has never made a 1st or 2nd team all pro team considered elite?



I never knocked Plunkett, I simply stated he wasn't a great QB just like Eli. I didn't bash Eli either.



The other time count but we are discussing the current Jets, the Rex led Jets. You wanted include the entire history? we aren't very good, I don't get the point?

Eli Manning is far and away the best player on the Giants. Again, if you watched the games you would see that the interceptions he threw 2 years ago were much more about receivers running bad routes and dropping the ball then it was about Eli making bad throws. He's the 4th best QB in football in my opinion, and he might even be better than that. The idea that you think Matt Stafford is in any way better than Eli is so beyond stupid I can't even put it into words.

And hold on, you think that Eli isn't that good because his team only won 9 and 10 games in his super bowl seasons? By your standards, Sanchez must be terrible because he only won 8 games last year. More importantly, those losses weren't his ****ing fault. He played well all year.

 

[nyjunc]

Eli Manning is far and away the best player on the Giants. Again, if you watched the games you would see that the interceptions he threw 2 years ago were much more about receivers running bad routes and dropping the ball then it was about Eli making bad throws. He's the 4th best QB in football in my opinion, and he might even be better than that. The idea that you think Matt Stafford is in any way better than Eli is so beyond stupid I can't even put it into words.

And hold on, you think that Eli isn't that good because his team only won 9 and 10 games in his super bowl seasons? By your standards, Sanchez must be terrible because he only won 8 games last year. More importantly, those losses weren't his ****ing fault. He played well all year.

of course, when Eli throws INts it's about the WRs(much like Peyton) but when Victor Cruz carries him late in the year turnbing every 2 yd pass into 80 it's also all Eli.

I watched every Giant game that year and I've seen every INT, his WR corps wasn't as good in '10 b/c they didn't have cruz but he still had an excellent set of receivers. There were a few that weren't his fault, the majority were.

Stafford was better in the reg season last year, it wasn't close. he didn't have a great D and the amount of offensive weapons Eli had(though he had the best weapon).

When I call Mark elite you can bring it up but he has no place in the discussion, you are just deflecting.

 

[insomnia411]

of course, when Eli throws INts it's about the WRs(much like Peyton) but when Victor Cruz carries him late in the year turnbing every 2 yd pass into 80 it's also all Eli.

I watched every Giant game that year and I've seen every INT, his WR corps wasn't as good in '10 b/c they didn't have cruz but he still had an excellent set of receivers. There were a few that weren't his fault, the majority were.

Stafford was better in the reg season last year, it wasn't close. he didn't have a great D and the amount of offensive weapons Eli had(though he had the best weapon).

When I call Mark elite you can bring it up but he has no place in the discussion, you are just deflecting.

Oh. My. God. Matthew Stafford has CALVIN ****ING JOHNSON.
Nicks is a very good receiver, but when all is said and done, Johnson might be considered one of the very best offensive weapons in the history of the game. I'm sorry, but you are completely and totally out of your mind dude.
I don't have the time or the patience to break down every single interception that Eli threw in 2010, but to say that the guy isn't elite because he played on a few sub par teams is absolutely ridiculous. If you think that Eli is any worse than 4th best in the league you are nutty.

 

[sm0kinfins]

winnign record and not postseasons are ok>? he clearly had SB caliber talent around him and failed to reahc postseason largely b/c he threw 25 INTs. Week 16 was the big game at GB, if they win that one they make the playoffs so what did he do? Throw FOUR INTs in a blowout loss.

Mark does not compare to Eli anymore (???), Mark was better in 2010 but 2 SBs takes mark out of any conversation w/ Eli for now.

Eli has both going for him. Winning records and post season wins resulting in the only thing that really matters. SB wins. Green Bay was the better team. Sometimes teams lose and players under perform against better teams. Sometimes it's the opposite. That's why they play the games.

Snatchez has had Super Bowl caliber talent around him since he was drafted and that's resulted in 2 AFCC losses and 0 SB appearances. Had the jests had even a slightly above average QB (instead of below average) these last 3 years, you could be taunting us with 2 SB wins in 3 years rather than 2 AFCC losses. Rather than laugh at your claims of having an elite team, we'd all have to accept it.

Oh, and for the record, Sanchez has never been comparable to Eli. Nobody (I'll repeat) NOBODY in his right mind considers them even close to the same talent wise. Or success wise. Hell, they don't even share the same sexual orientation.

 

[nyjunc]

Oh. My. God. Matthew Stafford has CALVIN ****ING JOHNSON.
Nicks is a very good receiver, but when all is said and done, Johnson might be considered one of the very best offensive weapons in the history of the game. I'm sorry, but you are completely and totally out of your mind dude.
I don't have the time or the patience to break down every single interception that Eli threw in 2010, but to say that the guy isn't elite because he played on a few sub par teams is absolutely ridiculous. If you think that Eli is any worse than 4th best in the league you are nutty.

I said he has the best weapon on either team but Eli has many MORE weapons, he had arguably the best WR corps in the league. You can take away one guy but how do you take away 4-5-6 guys? Revis took Nicks completelyt out of the game but it was Cruz who took a 5 yd pass 99 yds for the TD to change our game.

Eli was 5th best last year, overall w/ a healthy Peyton he's probably 6 or 7. I'd rather have Eli in a big game over Peyton though.

Eli has both going for him. Winning records and post season wins resulting in the only thing that really matters. SB wins. Green Bay was the better team. Sometimes teams lose and players under perform against better teams. Sometimes it's the opposite. That's why they play the games.

Snatchez has had Super Bowl caliber talent around him since he was drafted and that's resulted in 2 AFCC losses and 0 SB appearances. Had the jests had even a slightly above average QB (instead of below average) these last 3 years, you could be taunting us with 2 SB wins in 3 years rather than 2 AFCC losses. Rather than laugh at your claims of having an elite team, we'd all have to accept it.

Oh, and for the record, Sanchez has never been comparable to Eli. Nobody (I'll repeat) NOBODY in his right mind considers them even close to the same talent wise. Or success wise. Hell, they don't even share the same sexual orientation.

When Mark took over we hadn't won a postseason game since 2004 and hadn't been to postseason since 2006, Eli D's last postseason played better than ours ever has in the last few years.

Eli and sanchez's #s are almost identical through 3 seasons, Sanchez was better than Eli in 2010.

 

[Coach_Rob]

I said he has the best weapon on either team but Eli has many MORE weapons, he had arguably the best WR corps in the league. You can take away one guy but how do you take away 4-5-6 guys? Revis took Nicks completelyt out of the game but it was Cruz who took a 5 yd pass 99 yds for the TD to change our game.

Eli was 5th best last year, overall w/ a healthy Peyton he's probably 6 or 7. I'd rather have Eli in a big game over Peyton though.



When Mark took over we hadn't won a postseason game since 2004 and hadn't been to postseason since 2006, Eli D's last postseason played better than ours ever has in the last few years.

Eli and sanchez's #s are almost identical through 3 seasons, Sanchez was better than Eli in 2010.

your forgetting one or i should say two major things. rings. eli is a closer something your boy sanchez could only dream of. eli can carry the team, sanchez cannot

 

[nyjunc]

your forgetting one or i should say two major things. rings. eli is a closer something your boy sanchez could only dream of. eli can carry the team, sanchez cannot

It's not Eli vs. sanchez, Eli clearly wins at this point. This is about Eli being elite which he is not.

 

[DuderinoN703]

I guess Jim Plunkett was elite too?

We're talking about the present, not things that happened when you and I were barely old enough to talk.

 

[nyjunc]

We're talking about the present, not things that happened when you and I were barely old enough to talk.

He has 2 SBs so he must be elite? He also won them 4 years apart just like Eli.

 

[DuderinoN703]

He has 2 SBs so he must be elite? He also won them 4 years apart just like Eli.

You believe it's that simple? We're talking about the early 80s for christ sake. The game isn't the same as it was back then. You're here acting like you're going to say some magic words that have me recant my statement about Elite Manning.

It isn't going to happen.

 

[DolfanISS]

yeah, matt Moore had tremendous pressure to win which is why when he hd a chance to save their season he flopped but when the season was over he performed EXACTLY like he did in Carolina.

A fact is Eli is NOT elite and the Jets are elite 2009-2011



I guess the company line is about 2nd team reps? did Tom Brady get 1st team reps in 2001?

Sanchez had a million things work against him last year and still had us at 8-8 in bad season.

I'd love Matt Moore as a backup he's a not a starter in this league if you want to win, it's been proven you can win bug w/ Mark sanchez.

Junc being in NY you must hate the Giants and Eli because based on your posts and the way you seem to base a QB's greatness on pressure situations and not stats I'm surprised you don't hold Eli in higher regard. Last year from the Dallas game through the SB no QB in the NFL hit more clutch throws than Eli Manning. He had the best 4th quarter QB rating in the NFL and in this case that stat translated to wins. If you throw out the entire body of work for every QB in the NFL and only look at the facts for 2011 based on those facts you couldn't choose a better QB with the game on the line than Eli Manning. Not to mention he's taken out arguably the best QB/coach combination in NFL history not once but twice with game winning drives on the NFL's biggest stage. Being the Pats hater I am Eli Manning is automatically my favorite non Dolphins player in the NFL and is certainly an elite QB. Much more so than the 2011 Jets with the QB who completed clutch passes to Karlos Dansby and Marvin Mitchell.

 

[MD]

He has 2 SBs so he must be elite? He also won them 4 years apart just like Eli.

Did you even watch Plunkett play or are you just looking at numbers and injecting your thoughts? I watched him play and he was vital, repeat VITAL to their success.After all, he was the Super Bowl MVP after LEADING his team to the playoffs after they had a bad start under Dan Pastorini.

And for the record, the SBs were XV and XVIII.