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Albert Breer: Miami Dolphins in the " catbird seat " to land Peyton Manning

umpalu said:
I would be excited to have him, but huge waste of money unless mostly incentive and QB drafted to learn behind him. This thought process includes the drafting of Tannehill and that is flawed. What QB is truely an OC on the field? 1 in a billion? Manning has only a few years left. The QB behind him will not be able to run the offense like Manning. Manning will be learing a new system and will have to adjust and that will take a few years. 2+2=4 Respect to him, no disrespect to those behind him. He figues out the offense in his last 1 or 2 years and then hands over an offense to a person that can't run it like that because Manning is that good and we are back to square one. I am in the right for this comment ;)
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Isn't this exactly the situation that the Packers had with Farve/Rodgers? Last I check that turn out pretty well.
 
VManis said:
Isn't this exactly the situation that the Packers had with Farve/Rodgers? Last I check that turn out pretty well.
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Marino = Manning = the system "Joe Montana was a product of the system. Dan Marino was the system"-Bill Walsh

Farve = Montana = Manning back up if we get one = fail everywhere Farve when after because it wasn't his system
 
ckparrothead said:
Ugh. So let me get this straight. All these teams have done their due diligence on the injuries and the consensus is that they're all too afraid of Manning's health...but Miami is the only team dumb enough to pounce immediately upon Peyton's hitting free agency.

Grand.
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OK OK OK I have to play Devil's advocate here. This isn't toward you CK your post just illustrates something I have had a question about in general.

If no one from the NFL can contact the Manning camp because of the CBA bylaws except the Colt's medical staff how can any NFL team have done their due diligence with regard to Manning (keep in mind I am as much on the fence about Manning as anyone here)?

I just haven't read enough solid reports from anyone to suggest anything other than expert and non-expert opinions. Some doctors and people say he will be fine, others say "no way ticking time bomb" but every single thing I have read to date has been speculation or opinion so to me doing due diligence would be bring Manning in for a complete workout when the NFL says it isn't against the rules. Every single NFL team interested in signing Manning should bring him in and make him throw until his arm falls off or he is in a wheel chair which ever comes first.
 
umpalu said:
I would be excited to have him, but huge waste of money unless mostly incentive and QB drafted to learn behind him. This thought process includes the drafting of Tannehill and that is flawed. What QB is truely an OC on the field? 1 in a billion? Manning has only a few years left. The QB behind him will not be able to run the offense like Manning. Manning will be learing a new system and will have to adjust and that will take a few years. 2+2=4 Respect to him, no disrespect to those behind him. He figues out the offense in his last 1 or 2 years and then hands over an offense to a person that can't run it like that because Manning is that good and we are back to square one. I am in the right for this comment ;)
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Do you honestly think it will take Manning a few years to learn this offense? We are talking about the most intelligent mind to ever play the quarterback position. Matt Moore learned our system with no problem in a shortened offseason. A few years???? Give me a break. Concerns about his health are understandable, but concerns about his ability to learn an offense within a reasonable amount of time are laughable.
 
NY8123 said:
OK OK OK I have to play Devil's advocate here. This isn't toward you CK your post just illustrates something I have had a question about in general.

If no one from the NFL can contact the Manning camp because of the CBA bylaws except the Colt's medical staff how can any NFL team have done their due diligence with regard to Manning (keep in mind I am as much on the fence about Manning as anyone here)?

I just haven't read enough solid reports from anyone to suggest anything other than expert and non-expert opinions. Some doctors and people say he will be fine, others say "no way ticking time bomb" but every single thing I have read to date has been speculation or opinion so to me doing due diligence would be bring Manning in for a complete workout when the NFL says it isn't against the rules. Every single NFL team interested in signing Manning should bring him in and make him throw until his arm falls off or he is in a wheel chair which ever comes first.
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NFL's worst kept secret is that tampering happens all the time. You just don't talk about it.
 
ckparrothead said:
NFL's worst kept secret is that tampering happens all the time. You just don't talk about it.
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I don't think NFL fans truly know how long tampering has been going on. When the Dolphins signed Don Shula from the Colts, Miami had to give a 1st to the Colts cause of tampering charges.
 
ckparrothead said:
Ugh. So let me get this straight. All these teams have done their due diligence on the injuries and the consensus is that they're all too afraid of Manning's health...but Miami is the only team dumb enough to pounce immediately upon Peyton's hitting free agency.

Grand.
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Tram doctors have been known to be wrong from time to time.

*cough DREWBREES cough*
 
The similarities with the Drew Brees situation are obvious, but I also think there are two key differences.

1. Drew Brees was 27 years old. This completely changed the complexion of the risk/reward profile. If you gambled and were RIGHT about Drew Brees, then you get a franchise quarterback for zero trade compensation for the next 8 to 10 years. The Saints have already gotten 6 years out of Brees and they'll probably get at leats 2 more years. The thing about risk/reward situations is you HAVE to be sure about the top side of the equation. If you're taking a significant risk you need even more significant rewards. The reward with Peyton Manning, even if we get lucky, is what? Two years? If that? It's not the same.

2. The second major difference is that the surgeon that performed Brees' surgery gave the all clear. He wasn't sure when he did the surgery, because he had to use more pins/staples/whatever attachments than he's ever used before to fix the 360 tear in his rotator cuff...but later on he had Brees come in for a bunch of scans and a progress report to see if the surgery took. During that visit, the surgeon was extremely happy with how well the shoulder was doing and he gave Brees a prognosis of full recovery. This all happened like the weekend before Miami decided they weren't going to offer Brees more than a lowball deal. Miami trusted all their third party doctors over the guy that did the surgery and the checkup, who happens to be the most renowned orthopedic surgeon in the football business. The Manning case is different. His doctors have given him the all-clear to play again but they made it very, very clear that they were only doing so on the basis of the structural soundness of his steel-enforced neck. They made it a point to say they don't know if the nerves have regenerated nor do they know if they will. So that makes this situation unlike the Brees situation in a key area. Brees' doctor gave the thumbs up on full recovery, whereas Peyton's doctors have begged off.
 
I love how everyone becomes hysterical over these reports. NFL reporters are
gossipy little girls, they'll report anything and everything, facts be darned. If
Ross wants Manning because he wants the Miami Lakers, what's that say
about the other teams interested ? Oh, I forgot, only Ross, the devil incarnate
is a bossy, know nothing owner. The others, they are full of enlightment, love
and smarts.
 
Peyton Manning needs to do a "show" like LeBron James did, and then announce, "I am taking my talents to South Beach."

:brewskis:
 
umpalu said:
Marino = Manning = the system "Joe Montana was a product of the system. Dan Marino was the system"-Bill Walsh

Farve = Montana = Manning back up if we get one = fail everywhere Farve when after because it wasn't his system
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Farve didn't have any problems learning a new system. He played well with the Jets up until he was injuried and had one of his best years with Minn in 2009. In 2010 injuries once again surfaced. But that's besides the point as I was refering to Rodger ability to sit behind Farve and learn (and that's with Farve admitting that he didn't want to waste time teaching a rookie).

If you want to argue the risk with signing Manning is his age and the potential for reinjury, yeah the Farve annology with the Jets and Minn makes sense. But to suggest that Manning will struggle for 2+ years learning the WCO and because of that we won't be able to develop a young QB behind him is just silly in my opinion.
 
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