All this talk about the deep ball

[67Stang]

I see a lot of posts on here about Tannes lack of deep ball and sometimes I just don't get it. We are averaging over 25 points a game, which is much higher than we have seen here in a LONG time! It is 4 points higher than when we last went to the playoffs with Pennington. Also, the long ball is not just the QB and receiver, it is the O-Line blocking. When we have tried, Tanne has been pressured or sacked a majority of the time. To me it is common sense, but this is how I see things.

As Jon Gruden said last night, Tanne is going through his reads and throwing to the first person that is open. It is obvious that Tanne has limited time because of our O-line issues and injuries. The ball is coming out quick because it has to. Lazor knows (and I know) that it is very important for this offense not to get behind the chains....the goal is to get in to manageable 2nd and third downs. This is what this offense has to do to be successful. A sack while trying to go deep, or even just a missed throw and missed down really puts this team in a bind.

I really don't think the lack of deep ball is that big of an issue. This offense has put us in positions to be 10-2, the D lost the games against Denver, GB, and Detroit after the offense gave the team leads late. Ya, sure a deep ball now and then would be nice, but that is not how we are built right now.....and that is not why we have lost 5 games. If Sturgis hits the FG and Wallace catches that TD, we are right at our season average last night.

The offense isn't the issue, it is the Defense.....and they finally closed a close game out last night!

 

[Canadianfishfan]

You're making too much damn sense man.

We've got the best QB around here since Marino and people won't be happy until he replicates Manning.

 

[LDaniel7]

I see a lot of posts on here about Tannes lack of deep ball and sometimes I just don't get it. We are averaging over 25 points a game, which is much higher than we have seen here in a LONG time! It is 4 points higher than when we last went to the playoffs with Pennington. Also, the long ball is not just the QB and receiver, it is the O-Line blocking. When we have tried, Tanne has been pressured or sacked a majority of the time. To me it is common sense, but this is how I see things.

As Jon Gruden said last night, Tanne is going through his reads and throwing to the first person that is open. It is obvious that Tanne has limited time because of our O-line issues and injuries. The ball is coming out quick because it has to. Lazor knows (and I know) that it is very important for this offense not to get behind the chains....the goal is to get in to manageable 2nd and third downs. This is what this offense has to do to be successful. A sack while trying to go deep, or even just a missed throw and missed down really puts this team in a bind.

I really don't think the lack of deep ball is that big of an issue. This offense has put us in positions to be 10-2, the D lost the games against Denver, GB, and Detroit after the offense gave the team leads late. Ya, sure a deep ball now and then would be nice, but that is not how we are built right now.....and that is not why we have lost 5 games. If Sturgis hits the FG and Wallace catches that TD, we are right at our season average last night.

The offense isn't the issue, it is the Defense.....and they finally closed a close game out last night!

I made a post awhile back about the long ball being a synergy of blocking, TE and WR and QB talent and timing.

Once again Miami is checking the POOR box on OL and the BARE CUPBOARDS box on seam threat TEs and only one downfield threat WR.

Miami once again is the only team in the league with 4 WRs on their roster that run in the 4.6s and 4.7s in pads.

Good teams have TEs that fast.

Speed isn't everything as Landry shows, but when you only have ONE true NFL threat WR and ZERO real TEs (Sims is sad, imo -- running routes only because low-level Clay is hurt), teams can do what the Jets did: Sag underneath the WR routes knowing that only ONE WR can take the top off.

I didn't see anyone talking about it after the game but the way to DEVASTATE that D that the Jets were playing is w. a seam threat TE and two WRs that can kill you over the top if they sag under.

You have to also add DECENT blocking into this mix.

But Miami only has one of four of those needs. So mad genius Rexy dialed up the perfect D: Zone and off man while sagging under, meanwhile spying RT and crushing the LOS.

It was rough. Couldn't run against that and couldn't do its normal passing game. Many times if RT doesn't throw the ball high it's a pick.

Gotta take the top off and somehow get some pass blocking.

Otherwise it's a blueprint for stopping the O -- while everyone knows the blueprint for killing the D is on tape two weeks in a row.

LD

 

[67Stang]

The other thing is we need to stop deferring when we win the toss. We have so much better games when we get the O in a groove early! Hard to do that when you have over 200 yards against you in the first half and like 7 minutes time of possession. We need to get on O early and get on track early!

 

[Despacio]

Ryan Tannehill has the 4th worst inaccurate passes past 20 yards in the NFL. It's amusing how hard people work around here to bury their heads in the sand of this reality.


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[Dr. Phin]

The deep ball may be overstated, but the mid-range issues are a real concern. The Jets played a lot of zone and just converged on our underneath stuff. When the receivers have to "sit down", their RAC is limited. It was a good job of coaching. In order to counter this, you have to be able to hit the seam routes and mid-range passes. If you can't do that, then any team can pretty much shut down our offense.

 

[LANGER72]

The best way for us to get the ball deep is to have RT roll out on designed plays and throw back to the other side of the field or post pattern. I would like to see this at least 2X a game, especially on 2nd and short. If it isn't there scramble for 5+ yards or throw it away.
Play action fake, and roll out. Clean field of vision and RT throws accurately on the run.

 

[Elle Clouds]

Honestly I just don't want to make the playoffs and the same thing that happened to Pennington happens again. We have to be able to hit on the long ball or we will be a one dimensional offense that can be shut down come playoff time...

 

[Krateness]

Ryan Tannehill has the 4th worst inaccurate passes past 20 yards in the NFL. It's amusing how hard people work around here to bury their heads in the sand of this reality.

Ugh...

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

The deep ball may be overstated, but the mid-range issues are a real concern. The Jets played a lot of zone and just converged on our underneath stuff. When the receivers have to "sit down", their RAC is limited. It was a good job of coaching. In order to counter this, you have to be able to hit the seam routes and mid-range passes. If you can't do that, then any team can pretty much shut down our offense.

Which we really didn't try until late in the game, and then it finally worked.

I think a lot of the problem is that Lazor loves crossing routes at a depth of 3 to 6 yards. To the point that if you watch what's being run, you can actually see 2-3 guys running parallel to the line of scrimmage within 5 yards of each other. I'm not a fan of that.

 

[Dr. Phin]

Which we really didn't try until late in the game, and then it finally worked.

I think a lot of the problem is that Lazor loves crossing routes at a depth of 3 to 6 yards. To the point that if you watch what's being run, you can actually see 2-3 guys running parallel to the line of scrimmage within 5 yards of each other. I'm not a fan of that.

It works well in man coverage because the then you can turn up and get extra yards...in a zone you get what you saw last night...a bunch of short passes for little gain.

 

[hoops]

I don't think people know what drop zone is...basically safeties staying deep and lbs getting to depth to force the ball out underneath the coverage or force a throw into it if you don't...tannehill I kid you not saw that look yesterday 90 plus percent of the time...start forcing deep balls into that coverage and prepare to see balls thrown into double and triple coverage and worse what wr on this roster or tight end even is gonna make a play on a 50/50 ball or go up and get it at the highest point vs those coverages??? I tell ya who...not a damn one

Mike Wallace dropped the only real man to man coverage to exploit vertical ball shot we had and even on that one the qb had walked back pressure in his face to contend with...check that mike Wallace half assed it which is even worse

When you put yourself in a lot of 2nd and 16s due to penalties etc you can bet that on 3rd and long drop zones are coming your way...tanny had proven vs recent opponents that if you blitz him he beats you for it making plays into the spots vacated by the blitzer the jets pounded the Los and played drop zone all game long...rush 4 drop 7 rush 3 drop 8 even barring forcing it taking the underneath is the smart play vs those looks

It sucks but had he thrown 4 picks trying to make vertical plays vs those coverages you would have lost

 

[67Stang]

Ryan Tannehill has the 4th worst inaccurate passes past 20 yards in the NFL. It's amusing how hard people work around here to bury their heads in the sand of this reality.


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Ya, and this is all on Tanne right? SMH

 

[mrbunglez]

I don't think people know what drop zone is...basically safeties staying deep and lbs getting to depth to force the ball out underneath the coverage or force a throw into it if you don't...tannehill I kid you not saw that look yesterday 90 plus percent of the time...start forcing deep balls into that coverage and prepare to see balls thrown into double and triple coverage and worse what wr on this roster or tight end even is gonna make a play on a 50/50 ball or go up and get it at the highest point vs those coverages??? I tell ya who...not a damn one

Mike Wallace dropped the only real man to man coverage to exploit vertical ball shot we had and even on that one the qb had walked back pressure in his face to contend with...check that mike Wallace half assed it which is even worse

When you put yourself in a lot of 2nd and 16s due to penalties etc you can bet that on 3rd and long drop zones are coming your way...tanny had proven vs recent opponents that if you blitz him he beats you for it making plays into the spots vacated by the blitzer the jets pounded the Los and played drop zone all game long...rush 4 drop 7 rush 3 drop 8 even barring forcing it taking the underneath is the smart play vs those looks

It sucks but had he thrown 4 picks trying to make vertical plays vs those coverages you would have lost

Couldn't have said it better myself especially the last part about getting picked off if he even tried throwing deep. If that would've happened there would've been even more trash talk about Tannehill than usual in this forum.

 

[Despacio]

Ya, and this is all on Tanne right? SMH

No. But you don't get that far down the list without reason. It's a problem. It's ok. Not every QB can be Aaron Rodgers. But hey, I'm sure it's cool down their under the sand.

We are coming up on three whole seasons of performance, but people keep bringing out the everything but him approach. Oh it's Wallace, oh it's the o-line, oh there's no protection to throw deep, blah blah blah. It's getting tiring.

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