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An analysis of Ted Ginn’s Special Teams Usage in 2008

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I’ve been rewatching the games from last year and I was impressed with many of Ginn’s returns. I hadn’t remembered him being very affective in the kick game so I decided to go back through the play by play and look at the numbers. He was actually not bad at all last year and there are also some misconceptions that I would like to clear up as well.


Misconception #1: Ginn lost his job on kick returns

This is spouted often but it’s not really true. If anything he actually gained the job back. The coaching staff wanted him to focus on being a wide receiver and he didn’t return any kicks in the first five games but after that he was the team’s regular kick returner. He returned more kicks than the rest of the team combined.
Patrick Cobbs did start returning kicks the final two weeks but I’m not sure why since Ginn was coming off a string of awful returns or anything like that. Cobb was effective on kick returns but minus his one 60 yard return, his return average was 18.4.

Misconception #2: Ginn runs out of bounds every chance he gets.

People like to question Ginn’s toughness, especially on returns, saying that he searches for the sidelines to avoid contact. Of Ginn’s 32 kick returns, he went out of bounds on 10 of them but one of the times was when Ginn recovered a muff by Polite and immediately went out of bound so it is really 9 of 31 returns which is comes to 29% of his returns. I don’t know what the average is for most kick returners but this doesn’t seem out of the ordinary. Also, on the 9 kicks that Ginn did go out of bounds on he actually averaged 25.7 yards per return so when he broke to the outside he was very effective.

Now to the stats:

Punt Returns – Ginn only returned 7 punts or a 7.7 yard average, which is nothing special and it appears that Bess’ quickness is better suited to that role although the staff started using Ginn more towards the end of the year by having both Bess and Ginn back together to receive punts.

Kick Returns – Ginn returned 32 kicks for a 20.5 yard average compared to a 19.9 average for the rest of the team. These numbers are skewed a bit by some weird kick returns that had nothing to do with Ginn’s return ability.


  • Week 8, Lousaka Polite muffed a short kick that Ginn picked up and was credited for a 1 yard return.

  • Week 10, Ginn returns a kick 100 yards for a touchdown but it is called back for holding and Ginn was credited for a 20 yard return.

  • Week 12, Patrick Cobbs steps in front of Ginn and gets in the way of the catch and Ginn muffs the ball and is tackled immediately for a 0 yard return

  • Week 12, Ginn, trying to make a big play with Miami losing, runs backwards and gets tackled at the 2 for a 4 yard loss on the return.

The last one was a really bad decision by Ginn and although I don’t believe it has anything to do with his return ability I can understand why people wouldn’t want to remove that return from his stats so I’ll give it to you both ways. If you remove the first three instances his return average jumps almost a yard and a half to 21.9 and if you return the return for a loss it jumps up to 22.9.

These return numbers don’t jump out as anything spectacular but the poor special teams blocking by Miami also has to be taken into account. Miami was third to last in the NFL in kick return average and if you remove Ginn’s stats they were the worst team in the NFL. The average NFL team kick return average was 22.8 yards and Miami’s without Ginn was 19.9. Clearly, Miami’s kick blocking was awful.

Conclusion: I am not saying that Ginn was a great kick returner for us last year but considering everything I think he was still a good returner for us. Of the 29 kicks that he was able to return, 9 went over 25 yards and he had 6 returns over 30 yards. And lets not forget how awesome that Seattle kick return was even though that holding probably didn’t affect the return in any way since the defender would not have been able to catch Ginn anyways.
 
You gotta remember most fans here are stupid when its comes to Ginn. I mean not a clue. They act as if one or two plays defined him.

Great post.

People see what they want to see and alot of people had it in there heads Ginn was terrible before he ever got off the plane. He will continue to impress me and the coaching staff moving forward.

I still think Ginn could be lethal on ST's if we had a real unit blocking for him but for the timing he was better served focusing on his primary job.

In the future I could see him only returning crucial kicks/punts when we really need a spark. He had a knack for game changing plays at OSU and last year his KO return against Buffalo should've given us our first win of the season if not for another worthless call against the ST's that had no impact on the play. I wonder how he would've been remembered last year if he had been the one to give us our only victory.
 
I think the biggest factor is that people only remember the things that support their initial thoughts so that only strengthens whatever they believe.


And that they don't really use their brain. People love to jump to conclusions without regard for being wrong or right.
 
20.5 yards/return is not very good for a KR, even with the examples cited. Ginn is hit or miss on KR's. He has big play potential, and usually has good vision, be he doesn't break tackles or hit the seams very hard. Although he is the best we have at the moment, I think we need to look at bringing someone in who has more consistency.
 
20.5 yards/return is not very good for a KR, even with the examples cited. Ginn is hit or miss on KR's. He has big play potential, and usually has good vision, be he doesn't break tackles or hit the seams very hard. Although he is the best we have at the moment, I think we need to look at bringing someone in who has more consistency.

I think the consistency problems had more to do with poor blocking than anything else.
 
I think Charlie Anderson cost Ginn about 200 yards in returns last year...lol

Charlie Anderson needs to be on the next bus out of town. No impact whatsoever in 2008. Obviously he's the guy most likely to be replaced by a first or second round OLB.

His 1.5 sacks were huge plays, I'll give him that.
 
My biggest concern about using Ginn as our return guy is this; do we want our primary WR returning kicks?

I agree that the knock on his toughness is overblown.
He has had some great run backs called back.
I agree that poor blocking has hindered his return game.
I dont agree that he is an impressive KR guy. He is average.
I would not be opposed to seeing another player back there in his place. I think he is of more value as a WR then he is a KR and I am wary of injury.
 
I think 80-85% of Dolphins don't understand how much talent Ted Ginn Jr. has.

Early on last season I was bothered by it because he's been **** on since he got drafted and he hadn't really done anything yet so what could you say? As the season went on he picked up the pace and the team started looking for him more and really did nothing to dissappoint after the 2-4 start.

Like I always say, I am a die hard Ohio State fan. And maybe that just means I am a homer (which I don't think I am) or maybe I just know TGJ pretty well (very likely) but I contend that his best attribute is rendered useless by Chad Pennington's arm. Which is fine for this season but I think we'll see a huge change in Ginn's game once Henne hits the field.

Ginn didn't catch very many passes in stride and those he did catch had no heat on them. In the long run Pennington has forced Ginn to develop best routes.
 
I think 80-85% of Dolphins don't understand how much talent Ted Ginn Jr. has.

Like I always say, I am a die hard Ohio State fan. And maybe that just means I am a homer (which I don't think I am) or maybe I just know TGJ pretty well (very likely) but I contend that right his best attribute is rendered useless by Chad Pennington's arm. Which is fine for this season but I think we'll see a huge change in Ginn's game once Henne hits the field.

Ginn didn't catch very many passes in stride and those he did catch had no heat on them. In the long run Pennington has forced Ginn to develop best routes.

I agree 100%.

A lot of fans don't really know what the guy can do. I really feel that, if the Dolphins special teams were good, and Ginn was still permitted to be the primary returner, you'd see a return almost every single week that'd make your jaw drop. Same thing goes for the WR position. I've never seen any player out run angles like this kid does. Never.

Also, most people see Ginn as a deep threat only. While I agree that it is one of, if not his biggest strength, the Dolphins also need to use him more on mid-range crossing patterns. I'm not talking about quick slants where he'll get tee'd off on .. I mean like drag patterns 10-12 yards deep or deep in's. Since Penny has a hard time hitting him in stride vertically, using some deeper horizontal routes seems ideal to me. Not only will it allow Ginn to get separation from whomever might be chasing him, if Penny can hit him in stride 10-15 yards downfield while coming across the field, those are the types of plays Teddy has a chance to take to the house.

Lastly, even though I am a BIG TGJ fan, I do tend to agree with some of the naysayers about his tendancy to run out of bounds. While, in some situations, it is the smart thing to do (just ask Marvin Harrison), he needs use better judgment on when to do so.
 
I think 80-85% of Dolphins don't understand how much talent Ted Ginn Jr. has.

Early on last season I was bothered by it because he's been **** on since he got drafted and he hadn't really done anything yet so what could you say? As the season went on he picked up the pace and the team started looking for him more and really did nothing to dissappoint after the 2-4 start.

Like I always say, I am a die hard Ohio State fan. And maybe that just means I am a homer (which I don't think I am) or maybe I just know TGJ pretty well (very likely) but I contend that right his best attribute is rendered useless by Chad Pennington's arm. Which is fine for this season but I think we'll see a huge change in Ginn's game once Henne hits the field.

Ginn didn't catch very many passes in stride and those he did catch had no heat on them. In the long run Pennington has forced Ginn to develop best routes.

I think everyone understands how talented he is. The question is how good of a football player is Ted Ginn. As for Chad Pennington's arm strentgh limited him is overated and overstated. When Pennington was throwing to Randy Moss at Marshall they hit plenty of long passes. Ginn is VERY talented but isn't a great or even good receiver yet. There is lot more to being a successful receiver than talent alone.
 
I think everyone understands how talented he is. The question is how good of a football player is Ted Ginn. As for Chad Pennington's arm strentgh limited him is overated and overstated. When Pennington was throwing to Randy Moss at Marshall they hit plenty of long passes. Ginn is VERY talented but isn't a great or even good receiver yet. There is lot more to being a successful receiver than talent alone.
That was before Pennington injured his right rotator cuff in 2004. An injury he played with the entire season before it was discovered that it was actually torn.

I agree with you that Ginn is talented but I disagree with you that he is not a good receiver. Ginn's biggest problem at the moment is that he is still inexperienced as a receiver.
 
I think everyone understands how talented he is. The question is how good of a football player is Ted Ginn. As for Chad Pennington's arm strentgh limited him is overated and overstated. When Pennington was throwing to Randy Moss at Marshall they hit plenty of long passes. Ginn is VERY talented but isn't a great or even good receiver yet. There is lot more to being a successful receiver than talent alone.

Its not overstated at all. Just go watch the first play in the Bills home game this year. That play should've been a TD easy.

You'll see the difference when Henne takes over.

I am not knocking Pennington. I want him starting.
 
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