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An Argument Against a coaching Change

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Despite this team being in the same position (7-9,8-8, 9-7) as the last 3 years, I actually think we're headed in the right direction and here's why. The last several years I went into each game thinking we could lose any one of them. We often times lost to teams we were supposed to be better than, and usually lost to teams that were clearly better than us. This year (Oakland, Jets Chicago, etc..) And we actually beat a couple of teams that were supposed to be better than us (Chargers, Pats) At this point I think we can actually play with anybody, although I don't think we have what it takes yet to actually beat the good playoff caliber teams. I think a lot of the issues we have with coaching is stemming from our personnel limitations.

1. I think our offense is dink and dunk because our coaches don't trust the line to block long enough for it to be anything else.

A. Hickey has found solid tackles, now he needs another off season to find starting caliber guards

2. Philbin gets queasy.. I think philbin gets queasy because this team has show a propensity to screw up in tight situations. How many close games over the past couple of years were we able to close out either offensively of defensively? I can recall the bengals game last year and the jets game this year. Both defensive stops. When was the last time the offense drove the ball the distance of the field to score the winning TD or FG? Maybe twice?

A. A better offensive line will help the offense perform better in crunch time when we either have to throw the ball to score of run the ball to kill the clock.

B. Many of the games we've lost in the last seconds this year were because defensively teams exploited the middle of the field throwing crossing routes and routes over the middle. Hickey needs another offseason to rid this team of Phillip Wheeler, Get Jordan to play LB. Move Misi Back to OLB and Find a stud MLB. I think this will help improve those late game breakdowns.

C. Sticking with Dallas Thomas. My only guess here is that they don't feel the other options on the roster would be any better. Benton is touted as one of the better oline coaches in the league, so I'll have to trust his judgment. If it's Philbins call..... then I'd question it.

D. Philbin is not a good motivator. This is true. But I'm not sure how much stock I put in being a motivator. Verbal motivation might be relevent for the first few minutes of a game but, if the talent on the other side is better no amount of motivation will compensate for that. Also, I think good players are motivated by Money and\or wanting to be great. Not by some coach giving rah rah speeches. Moreno, Landry, are two guys that come to mind that seem like they're motivated regardless of the head coach's ability to motivational speak. We need more of these types of players.

I think a head coach's motivational value comes in his plan on how he prepares players to get better. For example, everybody here hates Saban, but Jason Taylor who everybody here loves, Loves Saban. Why? Because he feels that by making him stand up, Saban made him a better player. And if a player things that the coach has ideas that will make them a better player.. they will run through a wall for that coach. If philbin cant do this, he needs assistant coaches that can.

D. Poor use of timeouts. ................... I got's nothin. He's still learning

The moral of this long winded story is that... I think we should give hickey one more season with this coaching staff to acquire more talent. Bringing in a new coaching staff will actually set us back several years.
 
The primary argument against a coaching change is that if Philbin leaves a lot of the solid middle coaching talent will leave too(i.e Benton, Duffner, Lazor).
The team is being built to win a certain way and you will have attrition in trying to change directions.
 
I don't believe a coaching change will set up back several of years, especially if it's the right coach.

If Hickey is allowed to be involved in the coaching search, things might not change as much as some people think.
 
The whole idea of keeping Philbin because we'll keep the assistants really doesn't hold water. If they are good, you might have them for a couple of years. They are going to try to improve themselves and get promoted. They aren't going to stay Dolphins forever. You have to be hopeful that, if Philbin stays, he can entice good replacements for the guys that leave anyway.
 
I don't believe a coaching change will set up back several of years, especially if it's the right coach.

If Hickey is allowed to be involved in the coaching search, things might not change as much as some people think.

New coach = new Philosophy = new players = at least 3-4 years. The only way this doesn't happen is if the new coach shares the same philosophy as the current coaching staff. For example Harbaugh in SF had a similar philosophy as Singletary, hard nosed, smash mouth football. If Harbaugh were to come here, we'd need a whole new offensive line, LB, Secondary etc...

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The whole idea of keeping Philbin because we'll keep the assistants really doesn't hold water. If they are good, you might have them for a couple of years. They are going to try to improve themselves and get promoted. They aren't going to stay Dolphins forever. You have to be hopeful that, if Philbin stays, he can entice good replacements for the guys that leave anyway.

The new coach would most likely want his own staff, so most likely the coordinators would all be gone. New staff comes in, looks at the roster and tells hickey, so and so needs to be replaced. This takes time, and will set up back.
 
I have a three year rule that I normally like to abide by, so Joe hasnt gotten it done in his 3 years, so i wouldnt mind the change. That being said, I think there have been improvements. The main thing I want is a much improved OL and LB groups.
 
For me it's about how you finish the season. Knowing your goal and achieving it. Under the last two seasons under Philbin we finished at 3-3 in the final stretch. We are 1-2 right now, see the trend? 9-7 is an improvement but it won't cut it for me. I need better and I'm just not getting it. I said after last season, when we retained Philbin, playoffs or he must go. I am standing firm on that belief.
 
I'm going to wait till the end of the season and see how we finish.

It is very reasonable to be frustrated at this point......but lets see how this plays out.
 
New coach = new Philosophy = new players = at least 3-4 years. The only way this doesn't happen is if the new coach shares the same philosophy as the current coaching staff. For example Harbaugh in SF had a similar philosophy as Singletary, hard nosed, smash mouth football. If Harbaugh were to come here, we'd need a whole new offensive line, LB, Secondary etc...

That's the reason I mentioned Hickey being a part of the coaching search.

I'm sure he would try to marry his philosophy with whomever he choses to become head coach, if it comes to that.

With the offensive line we have now, it might be easier for them to become a power running team than a zone blocking one, especially if Billy Turner comes around next season.
 
For me it's about how you finish the season. Knowing your goal and achieving it. Under the last two seasons under Philbin we finished at 3-3 in the final stretch. We are 1-2 right now, see the trend? 9-7 is an improvement but it won't cut it for me. I need better and I'm just not getting it. I said after last season, when we retained Philbin, playoffs or he must go. I am standing firm on that belief.

Agree with this. At the beginning of the season, I would have said 9-7 would be a good enough improvement, but the annual year end collapse with the playoffs on the line is making me think differently.
 
I don't believe a coaching change will set up back several of years, especially if it's the right coach.

If Hickey is allowed to be involved in the coaching search, things might not change as much as some people think.
Then you're limited to coaches like Gary Kubiak, Mike Shanahan and Mike Holmgren (if he wants back into coaching). Any other coach would set us back several years. We don't have the cap space for massive turnover to get the right players to run a 3-4 defense (Jim Harbaugh and Todd Bowles preference), we don't have the right offensive lineman to run a power running game (Harbaugh, Bowles, Dan Quinn, and most every other candidates preference) and if we go vertical passing offense, which would be an issue given Tannehill performance so far, we only have one vertical receiver.

Yeah...coaching change is going to set us back years.
 
Despite this team being in the same position (7-9,8-8, 9-7) as the last 3 years, I actually think we're headed in the right direction and here's why. The last several years I went into each game thinking we could lose any one of them. We often times lost to teams we were supposed to be better than, and usually lost to teams that were clearly better than us. This year (Oakland, Jets Chicago, etc..) And we actually beat a couple of teams that were supposed to be better than us (Chargers, Pats) At this point I think we can actually play with anybody, although I don't think we have what it takes yet to actually beat the good playoff caliber teams. I think a lot of the issues we have with coaching is stemming from our personnel limitations.

1. I think our offense is dink and dunk because our coaches don't trust the line to block long enough for it to be anything else.

A. Hickey has found solid tackles, now he needs another off season to find starting caliber guards

2. Philbin gets queasy.. I think philbin gets queasy because this team has show a propensity to screw up in tight situations. How many close games over the past couple of years were we able to close out either offensively of defensively? I can recall the bengals game last year and the jets game this year. Both defensive stops. When was the last time the offense drove the ball the distance of the field to score the winning TD or FG? Maybe twice?

A. A better offensive line will help the offense perform better in crunch time when we either have to throw the ball to score of run the ball to kill the clock.

B. Many of the games we've lost in the last seconds this year were because defensively teams exploited the middle of the field throwing crossing routes and routes over the middle. Hickey needs another offseason to rid this team of Phillip Wheeler, Get Jordan to play LB. Move Misi Back to OLB and Find a stud MLB. I think this will help improve those late game breakdowns.

C. Sticking with Dallas Thomas. My only guess here is that they don't feel the other options on the roster would be any better. Benton is touted as one of the better oline coaches in the league, so I'll have to trust his judgment. If it's Philbins call..... then I'd question it.

D. Philbin is not a good motivator. This is true. But I'm not sure how much stock I put in being a motivator. Verbal motivation might be relevent for the first few minutes of a game but, if the talent on the other side is better no amount of motivation will compensate for that. Also, I think good players are motivated by Money and\or wanting to be great. Not by some coach giving rah rah speeches. Moreno, Landry, are two guys that come to mind that seem like they're motivated regardless of the head coach's ability to motivational speak. We need more of these types of players.

I think a head coach's motivational value comes in his plan on how he prepares players to get better. For example, everybody here hates Saban, but Jason Taylor who everybody here loves, Loves Saban. Why? Because he feels that by making him stand up, Saban made him a better player. And if a player things that the coach has ideas that will make them a better player.. they will run through a wall for that coach. If philbin cant do this, he needs assistant coaches that can.

D. Poor use of timeouts. ................... I got's nothin. He's still learning

The moral of this long winded story is that... I think we should give hickey one more season with this coaching staff to acquire more talent. Bringing in a new coaching staff will actually set us back several years.

I like what you wrote it makes sense to me but i disagree on two things first Hickey just got here so it will take some time i would give him at least 3 years and if he keeps drafting like he has in the past then we should only get better. the talk about one more year just doesn't make sense. And second I believe that Jason Taylor was already a really good player befor Saban got here and i don't think saban did much to make Taylor all that much better. Taylor had been a great player for the dolphins for many years... Just my Opinon..
 
Then you're limited to coaches like Gary Kubiak, Mike Shanahan and Mike Holmgren (if he wants back into coaching). Any other coach would set us back several years. We don't have the cap space for massive turnover to get the right players to run a 3-4 defense (Jim Harbaugh and Todd Bowles preference), we don't have the right offensive lineman to run a power running game (Harbaugh, Bowles, Dan Quinn, and most every other candidates preference) and if we go vertical passing offense, which would be an issue given Tannehill performance so far, we only have one vertical receiver.

Yeah...coaching change is going to set us back years.
With the influx of college coaches running a similar scheme to what we are trying to run, I still think with the right coach, it would not set us back several years.

All we need to return to the 3-4 is a NT. It would then depend on what type of 3-4 you want to run. The Bill Parcells read-and-react type or The Wade-Phillips attack type of defense.
 
I like what you wrote it makes sense to me but i disagree on two things first Hickey just got here so it will take some time i would give him at least 3 years and if he keeps drafting like he has in the past then we should only get better. the talk about one more year just doesn't make sense. And second I believe that Jason Taylor was already a really good player befor Saban got here and i don't think saban did much to make Taylor all that much better. Taylor had been a great player for the dolphins for many years... Just my Opinon..

You are correct. Taylor was already a great player and if anything Taylor made Saban a better NFL coach given none of Saban's picks did much. Ronnie Brown was normally on IR by season's end and Jason Allen was pure garbage. Saban's two most productive players were Channing Crowder and Travis Daniels if that tells you anything. We won because of defense and it was because the guys that Jimmy Johnson picked were still carrying this team.
 
One more season and maybe Philbin learns to win the GB, Detroit, and Denver games. Maybe he learns to outcoach the Ravens in a game that will determine our playoff appearance.

Then again, maybe he doesn't learn anything and does the same thing next year. This is where I'm at. The "Lil Quesey" incident bothers me.
 
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