An Honest Question for you "Crowder Doubters"!!!...

[cashman34]

This is my "Bat Signal" for all researchers...

I would like to know how many LB's (inside or outside) there are in this league with 100+ tackles that are tendered and played for the $$$ that Channing Crowder did this year?...

This is a serious question, so reply with silly remarks if one must, but I am really interested in knowing how many NFL LB's are making what he is and have that kind of tackle count?...

A nice touch would also be to note how many of the LB's you find that qualify, are also in control of the defensive play calls and on-field adjustments as well...but that would be reserved for only the "elite" FinHeaven researchers!...(cough, cough, CK, cough, Parrothead!!!)

Go Phins!

 

[Nappy Roots]

im sure there are none. problem is, what he made last year is irrelevent now. anyone on this board including people wanting Crowder gone would love to have him play for 5 more years for what he made this year.

 

[cashman34]

what he made last year is irrelevent now.

But is it really?...

I mean don't you measure a man by the heart which he exhibits while doing his job, regardless of what he is being paid?...

This guy was the centerpiece of our defense, starting on a previously 1-15 team, with the 2 previous defensive faces of the franchise (Thomas, Taylor) gone...

He just strapped it up and balled to the best of his ability every week except for KC...and all of this was being done while 2 LB's on the sideline "watching" him made more money than he did...

Now once again, I have no problem with upgrading our defense at any position (including Crowder's), but start with the ones standing on the sideline, because if Channing sucks so bad, then how bad are they that they couldn't have him on the sideline watching them?...

Think about it...

Go Phins!

 

[xxAQUA JOSHUAxx]

I read somewhere that the FO thinks crowder is a system ILB and telling him that tackles are easy but you get paid by the amount of plays you make. Crowder even admitted he never makes any big plays and thats why he doesnt have his overpaid contract that he wants. I think hes a good linebacker for us but the only problem is he and his agent want to much money.

 

[ciscoholgate]

This is my "Bat Signal" for all researchers...

I would like to know how many LB's (inside or outside) there are in this league with 100+ tackles that are tendered and played for the $$$ that Channing Crowder did this year?...

This is a serious question, so reply with silly remarks if one must, but I am really interested in knowing how many NFL LB's are making what he is and have that kind of tackle count?...

A nice touch would also be to note how many of the LB's you find that qualify, are also in control of the defensive play calls and on-field adjustments as well...but that would be reserved for only the "elite" FinHeaven researchers!...(cough, cough, CK, cough, Parrothead!!!)

Go Phins!

The following LBs had more tackles than Crowder this past season:

D'Qwell Jackson, CLE
Patrick Willis, SFO
Jon Beason, CAR
Barrett Rudd, TAM
Kirk Morrison, OAK
London Fletcher, WAS
James Farrior, PIT
Jonathan Vilma, NOR
Jerod Mayo, NWE
Paris Lenon, DET
Eric Barton, NYJ
Karlos Dansby, ARI
Bradie James, DAL
Ray Lewis, BAL
Dhani Jones, CIN
Chad Greenway, MIN
Thomas Davis, CAR
Channing Crowder, MIA

The following players who had more tackles than Crowder and made less than $1.0 million more than Crowder last year:

Chad Greenway, MIN $2.0 million
Dhani Jones, CIN $1.9 million
Kirk Morrison, OAK $1.9 million
Paris Lenon, DET $1.8 million
Jon Beason, CAR $1.7 million
Channing Crowder, MIA $1.2 million

Of the players that had more tackles than Crowder, only the following make less than Crowder:

Channing Crowder, MIA $2.2 million
D'Qwell Jackson, CLE $1.1 million
Barrett Rudd, TAM $1.0 million

Of the seven players:

Chad Greenway, MIN
Dhani Jones, CIN
Kirk Morrison, OAK
Paris Lenon, DET
Jon Beason, CAR
D'Qwell Jackson, CLE
Barrett Rudd, TAM

ALL had more tackles than Channing
Five had more sacks and two had as many sacks as Channing
Five had more interceptions and two had as many interceptions as Channing
Three had more forced fumbles and one other had as many forced fumbles as Channing
Two had more pass deflections and two had as many pass deflections as Channing

Looks to me that Channing had pretty supbar numbers for the guys who got paid pretty much the same, but almost all outproduced him.

Channing is a solid player, but hasn't show he is GREAT. James Farrior makes about $4.5 million a year and I think that is Crowder's worth. If Crowder wants anything more than $5 million, let him WALK! If he wants anything less or around that value, then he should be resigned.

 

[d-day]

The following LBs had more tackles than Crowder this past season:

D'Qwell Jackson, CLE
Patrick Willis, SFO
Jon Beason, CAR
Barrett Rudd, TAM
Kirk Morrison, OAK
London Fletcher, WAS
James Farrior, PIT
Jonathan Vilma, NOR
Jerod Mayo, NWE
Paris Lenon, DET
Eric Barton, NYJ
Karlos Dansby, ARI
Bradie James, DAL
Ray Lewis, BAL
Dhani Jones, CIN
Chad Greenway, MIN
Thomas Davis, CAR
Channing Crowder, MIA

The following players who had more tackles than Crowder and made less than $1.0 million more than Crowder last year:

Chad Greenway, MIN $2.0 million
Dhani Jones, CIN $1.9 million
Kirk Morrison, OAK $1.9 million
Paris Lenon, DET $1.8 million
Jon Beason, CAR $1.7 million
Channing Crowder, MIA $1.2 million

Of the players that had more tackles than Crowder, only the following make less than Crowder:

Channing Crowder, MIA $2.2 million
D'Qwell Jackson, CLE $1.1 million
Barrett Rudd, TAM $1.0 million

Of the seven players:

Chad Greenway, MIN
Dhani Jones, CIN
Kirk Morrison, OAK
Paris Lenon, DET
Jon Beason, CAR
D'Qwell Jackson, CLE
Barrett Rudd, TAM

ALL had more tackles than Channing
Five had more sacks and two had as many sacks as Channing
Five had more interceptions and two had as many interceptions as Channing
Three had more forced fumbles and one other had as many forced fumbles as Channing
Two had more pass deflections and two had as many pass deflections as Channing

Looks to me that Channing had pretty supbar numbers for the guys who got paid pretty much the same, but almost all outproduced him.

Channing is a solid player, but hasn't show he is GREAT. James Farrior makes about $4.5 million a year and I think that is Crowder's worth. If Crowder wants anything more than $5 million, let him WALK! If he wants anything less or around that value, then he should be resigned.

good research - very nice post

 

[cashman34]

Of the seven players:

Chad Greenway, MIN
Dhani Jones, CIN
Kirk Morrison, OAK
Paris Lenon, DET
Jon Beason, CAR
D'Qwell Jackson, CLE
Barrett Rudd, TAM

7 players out of well over 300+ LB's in the NFL...Not bad huh?

And when you consider that the 3 most notable on your list were 1st Rounders that received substantially larger signing bonuses thus the reason they are making such low annual salaries (which are still more than Crowder btw)...that's good company.

Thanks...I see that you put alot of time and effort into that post!

Go Phins!

 

[ciscoholgate]

7 players out of well over 300+ LB's in the NFL...Not bad huh?

And when you consider that the 3 most notable on your list were 1st Rounders that received substantially larger signing bonuses thus the reason they are making such low annual salaries (which are still more than Crowder btw)...that's good company.

Thanks...I see that you put alot of time and effort into that post!

Go Phins!

Yeah I only looked up LBs who had more tackles, so there could have been some guys who had a few tackles less and made pretty much the same amount of money.

Channing's stats are pretty average. Almost all the guys on that list of seven LBs had more sacks, interceptions, forced fumbles, and pass deflections. I really think Crowders position is comparable to Larry Foote and Foote made about $4.5 million last year. I think this is about how much Crowder would be offered in free agency. I am all for keeping Crowder because it won't create a hole on our roster and he still has potential to get better, but if he wants more than $5 million a year, then we can use that money elsewhere because he hasn't produced many sacks or interceptions since he's been here.

 

[2413fanphins]

The following LBs had more tackles than Crowder this past season:

D'Qwell Jackson, CLE
Patrick Willis, SFO
Jon Beason, CAR
Barrett Rudd, TAM
Kirk Morrison, OAK
London Fletcher, WAS
James Farrior, PIT
Jonathan Vilma, NOR
Jerod Mayo, NWE
Paris Lenon, DET
Eric Barton, NYJ
Karlos Dansby, ARI
Bradie James, DAL
Ray Lewis, BAL
Dhani Jones, CIN
Chad Greenway, MIN
Thomas Davis, CAR
Channing Crowder, MIA

The following players who had more tackles than Crowder and made less than $1.0 million more than Crowder last year:

Chad Greenway, MIN $2.0 million
Dhani Jones, CIN $1.9 million
Kirk Morrison, OAK $1.9 million
Paris Lenon, DET $1.8 million
Jon Beason, CAR $1.7 million
Channing Crowder, MIA $1.2 million

Of the players that had more tackles than Crowder, only the following make less than Crowder:

Channing Crowder, MIA $2.2 million
D'Qwell Jackson, CLE $1.1 million
Barrett Rudd, TAM $1.0 million

Of the seven players:

Chad Greenway, MIN
Dhani Jones, CIN
Kirk Morrison, OAK
Paris Lenon, DET
Jon Beason, CAR
D'Qwell Jackson, CLE
Barrett Rudd, TAM

ALL had more tackles than Channing
Five had more sacks and two had as many sacks as Channing
Five had more interceptions and two had as many interceptions as Channing
Three had more forced fumbles and one other had as many forced fumbles as Channing
Two had more pass deflections and two had as many pass deflections as Channing

Looks to me that Channing had pretty supbar numbers for the guys who got paid pretty much the same, but almost all outproduced him.

Channing is a solid player, but hasn't show he is GREAT. James Farrior makes about $4.5 million a year and I think that is Crowder's worth. If Crowder wants anything more than $5 million, let him WALK! If he wants anything less or around that value, then he should be resigned.

my god that is impressive.

almost gave me a woody.

had you attatched some kind of cyber boobs at the bottom perhaps it would have. (maybe next time)

you do good work bro!!:up:

 

[3rdandinches]

But is it really?...

I mean don't you measure a man by the heart which he exhibits while doing his job, regardless of what he is being paid?...

This guy was the centerpiece of our defense, starting on a previously 1-15 team, with the 2 previous defensive faces of the franchise (Thomas, Taylor) gone...

He just strapped it up and balled to the best of his ability every week except for KC...and all of this was being done while 2 LB's on the sideline "watching" him made more money than he did...

Now once again, I have no problem with upgrading our defense at any position (including Crowder's), but start with the ones standing on the sideline, because if Channing sucks so bad, then how bad are they that they couldn't have him on the sideline watching them?...

Think about it...

Go Phins!

What matters is how is too much to retain him and can we get similar results for alot less. If yes then he's gone if not then you have to compare FA's that would be available for the same or atleast similar money and their impact on the field compared to Crowder.

If Scott or Dansby will get the same money Crowder is looking for then do they make more big impact plays during a single game, many say yes to that.

Crowder will only be a dolphin if his contract demands are reasonable, there's nobody else or the alternatives are too expensive. Now the draft always gives us an out because even our 1st round pick will get paid way less then Crowder's next contract.

I personally would love to keep Crowder but only for around 5 mil a season max, any more and draft picks are fine by me. We're still a couple years away from Superbowl contention anyways so the young guys would get time to develope. The money we do not spend on Crowder could go towards a Haynesworth and he alone will make any LBer look good.

 

[2413fanphins]

7 players out of well over 300+ LB's in the NFL...Not bad huh?

And when you consider that the 3 most notable on your list were 1st Rounders that received substantially larger signing bonuses thus the reason they are making such low annual salaries (which are still more than Crowder btw)...that's good company.

Thanks...I see that you put alot of time and effort into that post!

Go Phins!

your comparing him to 300 LBers in the league? out of those 300 how many start, or even ever see the field?

crowder could be considered top 25% in the league this year.
over a career, it would be less than that.

his contract should be indicative of where he falls in the league.

at that point, I would be okay with him returning.

 

[cashman34]

your comparing him to 300 LBers in the league? out of those 300 how many start, or even ever see the field?

crowder could be considered top 25% in the league this year.
over a career, it would be less than that.

his contract should be indicative of where he falls in the league.

at that point, I would be okay with him returning.

It's not that I am comparing him to anyone, that wasn't the point I was after...the question was meant to isolate and determine how many LB's even had the same tackle count (or better), but were making the same $$$ per year...

The fact that there are only 7 LB's that have 100+ tackles and also are close to his salary (which all on the list had more) and 3 of the 7 already hit their paydays somewhat due to their draft position (1st Rounders), I feel that adds value to what he has already given to the team.

It's more a response to the "tackles don't make playmakers" montra that seems to be rising lately, if tackles are so easy to make, then everyone should have 100+...

It's kind of like getting a Grade "B" quality steak, for a Grade "D" price...No that steak isn't "top notch" like a Grade "A" would be, but you didn't have to pay $100 for it either...Hopefully that better explains the point that I was looking to make.

Go Phins!

 

[CedarPhin]

The following LBs had more tackles than Crowder this past season:

D'Qwell Jackson, CLE
Patrick Willis, SFO
Jon Beason, CAR
Barrett Rudd, TAM
Kirk Morrison, OAK
London Fletcher, WAS
James Farrior, PIT
Jonathan Vilma, NOR
Jerod Mayo, NWE
Paris Lenon, DET
Eric Barton, NYJ
Karlos Dansby, ARI
Bradie James, DAL
Ray Lewis, BAL
Dhani Jones, CIN
Chad Greenway, MIN
Thomas Davis, CAR
Channing Crowder, MIA

The following players who had more tackles than Crowder and made less than $1.0 million more than Crowder last year:

Chad Greenway, MIN $2.0 million
Dhani Jones, CIN $1.9 million
Kirk Morrison, OAK $1.9 million
Paris Lenon, DET $1.8 million
Jon Beason, CAR $1.7 million
Channing Crowder, MIA $1.2 million

Of the players that had more tackles than Crowder, only the following make less than Crowder:

Channing Crowder, MIA $2.2 million
D'Qwell Jackson, CLE $1.1 million
Barrett Rudd, TAM $1.0 million

Of the seven players:

Chad Greenway, MIN
Dhani Jones, CIN
Kirk Morrison, OAK
Paris Lenon, DET
Jon Beason, CAR
D'Qwell Jackson, CLE
Barrett Rudd, TAM

ALL had more tackles than Channing
Five had more sacks and two had as many sacks as Channing
Five had more interceptions and two had as many interceptions as Channing
Three had more forced fumbles and one other had as many forced fumbles as Channing
Two had more pass deflections and two had as many pass deflections as Channing

Looks to me that Channing had pretty supbar numbers for the guys who got paid pretty much the same, but almost all outproduced him.

Channing is a solid player, but hasn't show he is GREAT. James Farrior makes about $4.5 million a year and I think that is Crowder's worth. If Crowder wants anything more than $5 million, let him WALK! If he wants anything less or around that value, then he should be resigned.

Nice work/research on your post.

 

[SnakeoilSeller]

2 other factors to consider when thinking about Crowder, tackles for loss & Bell:

1) How many of Crowder's tackles were for a loss. My biggest gripe with Crowder has always been the lack of big plays. Yes he gets a lot of tackles, 4 - 7 yards downfield. I could not find tackles for loss statistic, but I would bet that he had very few in comparison to other LB's, especially MLB's playing in a 3-4.

2) Bell had 120 tackles and was 3rd among all db's. So how many of those tackles were tackles that Crowder should have made or an above average LB would have made.

 

[cashman34]

"Like Bell and Carey, linebacker Channing Crowder is well regarded by ESPN Insider. He earned a ranking of 75 to sit behind seven of 51 linebackers who could hit the market as UFAs.
The list doesn’t delineate inside from outside linebackers, but Crowder doesn’t rank far behind guys like the Ravens’ inside ‘backers Ray Lewis (80) or Bart Scott (78). He also ranks ahead tackling machines like Atlanta’s Keith Brooking (74) and Buffalo’s Angelo Crowell (70)."

I found this on the Palm Beach Post guys...is there really anything more to say?...

I'll take, "not far behing Ray Lew", anyday of the week!...

The guy is a solid LB that is young and only gonna get better...This is the ESPN Insider, not some "homer" or "hater" fan point of view! The rankings are the findings of a group of people that are "paid" to, and also have better research capabilities on such matters than 95% of us on this site...

I am not saying that this is more ammunition towards proving that the guy isn't as bad as alot of us try to make him seem...but if it walks and talks like a duck.........

Go Phins!