An Offense Capable Of Being Multiple

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  1. Lionstone

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    Grier and Flores have assembled the minimum pieces to run multiple sets. Given a desire to be a physical run blocking team with the ability to go vertical, here are the minimum pieces.

    21: Chandler Cox, Kenyan Drake, Dwayne Allen
    12: Kenyan Drake, Dwayne Allen, Nick O’Leary
    11: Kenyan Drake, Dwayne Allen

    Last year we failed when running 21 or 12, but this year there are the pieces to be functional.
     
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    We shall see.

    Even though I think the "multiples" approach is very effective, it's something that takes time to build from scratch. The "secret" of its success is in the disguise of the formation. That requires players who can do "multiple" things well.

    I don't yet know if we have the minimum pieces.

    To be honest, Drake is a question mark for me. His pass pro needs to drastically improve, to be an all purpose back.

    I'm expecting a quicker impact from the multiples approach on defense.
     
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    3 down skill payers are a must. Package players scream out an offense's intentions before the snap count.
     
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    I see you're completely underestimating Mike Gesicki. He's no longer a rookie. Underestimate him at your own peril, because IMHO, this is going to be a year where he changes those opinions.
     
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    I'm sure every Dolphin fan would love to see him emerge as that athletic TE that can stay inside and block as well as stretch the field but its really hard to envision after what we saw last year. He was getting manhandled by cornerbacks that he had 50 lbs on. It seems a lot more was needed than a stint in the weight room.

    I don't see a whole lot of the Pats style do everything players at the skill positions on this team. But there is a lot of talent. Gase deserves what he got but to be fair to the man he was able to put quality offense out there when everyone was healthy last season. It will be fascinating to see what the new coaches do with what is pretty much the same crew.
     
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    All that is great but we'll go as far as the O-line allows us to go on offense.
     
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    Gesicki needs to get on the Christian McCaffrey program.
     
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    I specifically stated minimum requirements and a focus on the running game. Dwayne Allen is not a dominant blocker; he is an average run blocking TE. Gesiki last year was significantly below the average. I would be thrilled if he becomes an average blocker at the TE. He would then be above the minimum requirements, and that would be great.
     
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    I agree. The success of the five OL positions are key to our success. Last year the OL players under performed as individuals, and the scheme aggravated their deficiencies by running a set that put more pressure on them. The 11 set is not designed to help the line. This is one of the reasons I am thrilled there is an opportunity to be 21 or 12 focused offense.
     
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    Well actually you stated it differently. You said,

    "Grier and Flores have assembled the minimum pieces to run multiple sets. Given a desire to be a physical run blocking team with the ability to go vertical, here are the minimum pieces."

    That is the pieces to run multiple sets. That is two stated desires--be a physical run blocking team with the ability to go vertical. Dwayne Allen does not give us that ability to go vertical, so all those lineups with him in as the vertical option aren't valid. I had assumed you meant TWO things:

    1) be a physical run blocking team, and
    2) ability to go vertical--which is exactly why you draft a 6'6 TE with a 41.5" vertical and 4.5 speed … to run seam routes and get vertical.

    So yeah, if you meant that, then you discounted Mike Gesicki. If you simply meant ONLY to be a physical run blocking team and ONLY using the TE as a run blocker … then I get your point … but I'm much less interested in the thread at that point, because you're not talking about being multiple, you're just talking about any ground and pound offense, which is not what we have.
     
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    My thoughts exactly.

    One thing often overlooked about the NE offense, is thier ability to disguise what they are doing, by not showing "tendencies", or establishing them purpously, at times, to suck an opponent in.

    This requires not only a real, conscious commitment, but also a foresight that many teams just dont employ.
     
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    I agree about Drake, but I also think Ballage is going to flourish in this offense
     
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    They both have potential to help this team, IMO.

    I think we know what we have in Drake. I hate to give Gase credit for anything, but he was correct in not overusing him between the tackles. He should have, however, been given a bigger role in the passing game.

    Ballage hasn't gotten enough play to make a complete assessment. I suspect he also has shortcomings in pass pro. The good news though, is that can be improved with coaching, as long as a player is assignment sound to begin with.
     
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    True but I have never seen a coach like Belichick who hits teams at their weakest points week to week.

    Look at that playoff run. He knew the chargers would line up with 7 dbs based on their ravens tape. He adjusted his strategy to pound them into submission. The chargers never adapted at any point and he burned them out leaving the chargers in the dust.

    That next week they go to KC and saw the simple schemes Bob Sutton was running. He once again pounded them and held the ball for as long as possible hoping to limit mahomes chances. A few lucky breaks kept them alive but at the end the chiefs were demoralized by the Pats ability to sustain long drives.

    I'll take it a step further and pull out all those Steelers games. Tough draw at Heinz because they play so well at home. But even there Belichick can see the flaws the Steelers use regarding matchups and has blown them out because Mike Tomlin relies on big Ben and emotion to get them through that game.

    Belichick is grwat coach and he figured out long ago that the league is run by egotisitical coaches who hold a firm belief that they never needed to adapt from week to week let alone year to year. Look at Adam Gase when he coached in New England. That was disgusting.
     
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