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If you had a receiver that got called for two personal fouls every game, fumbled and lost it once a game on avg., and dropped 1 out of every 3 passes thrown to him.....how long would it take to get him off the team?

That's the equivalent of Daunte's problems. 21 sacks at 7 yard avg loss (not verified now, just making a guesstimate so don't crucify me on that figure but feel free to check the play by plays for all 4 games) is giving up about 35 yards a game on avg, then turning the ball over once a game and then only completing 2/3 of passes he does throw.

Anyways...started thinking about it and I though to myself...if Chambers dropped 1 out of 3 passes, fumbled and lost it almost every game, and then gave up 30 yards on calls....everyone would be clamoring to kick him off the team all together. Logically....I would think more people would be on DCs case although there's the probability he can "improve his decision making" although, as we sadly know due to Fiedler....it's hard to teach old dogs new tricks. Maybe the guy gets healthy enough to be good next year...maybe not. I think JH will turn out to be better then expected, especially if his receivers don't drop 6 balls a game.
 
jbond said:
If you had a receiver that got called for two personal fouls every game, fumbled and lost it once a game on avg., and dropped 1 out of every 3 passes thrown to him.....how long would it take to get him off the team?

That's the equivalent of Daunte's problems. 21 sacks at 7 yard avg loss (not verified now, just making a guesstimate so don't crucify me on that figure but feel free to check the play by plays for all 4 games) is giving up about 35 yards a game on avg, then turning the ball over once a game and then only completing 2/3 of passes he does throw.

Anyways...started thinking about it and I though to myself...if Chambers dropped 1 out of 3 passes, fumbled and lost it almost every game, and then gave up 30 yards on calls....everyone would be clamoring to kick him off the team all together. Logically....I would think more people would be on DCs case although there's the probability he can "improve his decision making" although, as we sadly know due to Fiedler....it's hard to teach old dogs new tricks. Maybe the guy gets healthy enough to be good next year...maybe not. I think JH will turn out to be better then expected, especially if his receivers don't drop 6 balls a game.
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Im at work and read this kind of fast but this is apples and oranges as far as i can tell. This comparison is flawed.
 
ummm......how so? If we traded and landed Moss or some other receiver and did what I indicated above (gave up 30+ yards a game in penalties, fumbled once a game and only caught 2 out of 3 passes thrown to him)....everyone on here would be screaming about how much of a mistake it was to get him. That's pretty much the production I've seen out of DC. I respect ur opinion CK...but I think you're off on your initial impression of what I first wrote.
 
Ok, so then Chambers and McMike should be cut also, right behind Mare. Hell, the entire offense and secondary needs to be cut also!

I mean give me a break. Are the sacks really that big of a deal? Huh? Joey's been sacked only twice and STILL HASN'T won! So, no, they are drive killers, not an issue with a QB KNOW for scrambling. Why do you think Saban is rehabbing DC?
 
And what the hell has Harrington done to show he's any better than a gimped qb. Got sacked less? Wupptedoo! We're still not putting up anymore points. Committed more turnovers? You guys double standards are hilarious.

And why are you guys still bitchin' about Culpepper. The next Marino is starting and everything is fine right?
 
jbond said:
ummm......how so? If we traded and landed Moss or some other receiver and did what I indicated above (gave up 30+ yards a game in penalties, fumbled once a game and only caught 2 out of 3 passes thrown to him)....everyone on here would be screaming about how much of a mistake it was to get him. That's pretty much the production I've seen out of DC. I respect ur opinion CK...but I think you're off on your initial impression of what I first wrote.
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As has been mentioned dude you're just comparing apples and oranges here. With your new method of viewing QBs, every QB in the league would suck by comparison.

Flaw 1: Every QB gets sacked. Not every WR gets penalized.

Flaw 2: Every QB has incomplete passes. In fact, even the BEST of them has 1/3 of their passes go incomplete. Not every WR has dropped balls.

Flaw 3: Every QB fumbles! It's a reality of the game, you get sacked and you fumble the ball. QBs get hit from the blind side and they fumble. This is as true for Joey Harrington as any other QB. Does Daunte fumble more than your average QB? Sure, but you didn't MAKE that comparison, you said let's pretend Daunte was a WR.

I'm sorry dude but the analogy is inappropriate, uninspired, and very short-sighted.
 
hmmm....i think you all are missing the point. There have been many arguments for and against CC being an "elite" receiver due to his ill-timed drops on here over the years although none to kick him off (thankfully). And no...you can't compare him directly because he doesn't get called for 2 15 yarders each game and fumble every game turning the ball over...which is essentially exactly what DC did during 4 games. Maybe you didn't notice many of our drives ending due to sacks?

There have been many advocates to get rid of Mare (I'm not one of them)...thanks for proving my point for fans desire for production from their players. Those same people should be calling out DC as well.

And yes...maybe you haven't heard 1/2 of the media, analysts and former players say people should be fired, let go, and we should start doing some spring cleaning early? You didn't see Saban indicating that Tillman will probably be replaced by Bell? I bet Tillman and a few other DBs aren't on the roster next year either. I guess they're all crazy too.

Again...I didn't say DC should be kicked off the team today and mentioned he might be able to rehab back into previous form. However....his mental flaw for failure to be able to make a decision is even further heightened due to his inability to run away when he can't figure out what to do. My overall point was that DC's negative production on the field to date should indicate more fans being upset with the decision to 1) get him and 2) start him.

Saban's rehabbing DC due to his 7 or 8 million signing bonus, 1 million in salary and the fact he's signed through 2013 (i believe). Big money to walk away from. Wether or not he regains his form, running or throwing, remains to be seen. If that money was spent on Oline....and gave someone like Joey more time to throw and Ronnie to run....I think our team would be completely different.
 
Clearly, Culpepper is the source of all the Fins problems. Once they get him off the team, and start Harrington, we will start winning.

Oh wait--
 
ckparrothead said:
As has been mentioned dude you're just comparing apples and oranges here. With your new method of viewing QBs, every QB in the league would suck by comparison.

Flaw 1: Every QB gets sacked. Not every WR gets penalized.

Flaw 2: Every QB has incomplete passes. In fact, even the BEST of them has 1/3 of their passes go incomplete. Not every WR has dropped balls.

Flaw 3: Every QB fumbles! It's a reality of the game, you get sacked and you fumble the ball. QBs get hit from the blind side and they fumble. This is as true for Joey Harrington as any other QB. Does Daunte fumble more than your average QB? Sure, but you didn't MAKE that comparison, you said let's pretend Daunte was a WR.

I'm sorry dude but the analogy is inappropriate, uninspired, and very short-sighted.
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A QB also has alot more responsibilities then a WR.
 
wow....ya'll are getting real into this analogy dude i see what ur saying....basically he's saying if DC played any other position and F'ed up as much as he has so far the we'd be asking for his neck and saying we should get rid of him....thats all don't look to deep into what he is saying just brush the surface
 
ckparrothead said:
As has been mentioned dude you're just comparing apples and oranges here. With your new method of viewing QBs, every QB in the league would suck by comparison.

Flaw 1: Every QB gets sacked. Not every WR gets penalized.

Flaw 2: Every QB has incomplete passes. In fact, even the BEST of them has 1/3 of their passes go incomplete. Not every WR has dropped balls.

Flaw 3: Every QB fumbles! It's a reality of the game, you get sacked and you fumble the ball. QBs get hit from the blind side and they fumble. This is as true for Joey Harrington as any other QB. Does Daunte fumble more than your average QB? Sure, but you didn't MAKE that comparison, you said let's pretend Daunte was a WR.

I'm sorry dude but the analogy is inappropriate, uninspired, and very short-sighted.
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There are 17 QBs with less then 10 sacks after 6 games. DC had 21 in 4. Joey's had 1 in 2 games. 26 QBs after 6 games have 15 or less. Only Jon Kitna has same/more after 6 games (22) and is the only other QB in the 20 something range. Flaw for DC? Yes.

Incomplete passes....DC has made some horrible throws although his % completed is within range for the "norm" so perhaps not the best example. 18 QBs have better completion %'s. 1/2 of the ones with worse %'s are rookies or have less then 100 attempts in 6 games. Flaw? It sure as hell ain't his strength.

Fumbles? I was indicating how an INT is turning the ball over like a fumble...not that DC fumbles...(another argument all together). I was surprised to see that 22 QBs have more then 3 INTs have 6 games and that Daunte at 0.75 INT game x 6 would hypothetically = 4.5 INTs...that about 17 QBs would still have more INTs then him leaving 14 doing better.

Thanks for your opinion.
 
KostaTheGreek said:
wow....ya'll are getting real into this analogy dude i see what ur saying....basically he's saying if DC played any other position and F'ed up as much as he has so far the we'd be asking for his neck and saying we should get rid of him....thats all don't look to deep into what he is saying just brush the surface
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Ding Ding Ding....and what do we have here for her johnny?.......

And the lights go on.........THANKS!
 
jbond said:
If you had a receiver that got called for two personal fouls every game, fumbled and lost it once a game on avg., and dropped 1 out of every 3 passes thrown to him.....how long would it take to get him off the team?

That's the equivalent of Daunte's problems. 21 sacks at 7 yard avg loss (not verified now, just making a guesstimate so don't crucify me on that figure but feel free to check the play by plays for all 4 games) is giving up about 35 yards a game on avg, then turning the ball over once a game and then only completing 2/3 of passes he does throw.

Anyways...started thinking about it and I though to myself...if Chambers dropped 1 out of 3 passes, fumbled and lost it almost every game, and then gave up 30 yards on calls....everyone would be clamoring to kick him off the team all together. Logically....I would think more people would be on DCs case although there's the probability he can "improve his decision making" although, as we sadly know due to Fiedler....it's hard to teach old dogs new tricks. Maybe the guy gets healthy enough to be good next year...maybe not. I think JH will turn out to be better then expected, especially if his receivers don't drop 6 balls a game.
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so your saying every sack is DCs fault thats a little inacurate our offensive line sucks a$$ if u havent noticed
 
There are 17 QBs with less then 10 sacks after 6 games. DC had 21 in 4. Joey's had 1 in 2 games. 26 QBs after 6 games have 15 or less. Only Jon Kitna has same/more after 6 games (22) and is the only other QB in the 20 something range. Flaw for DC? Yes.

there not all on dante:fire:
 
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