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Another Take on the Offensive Line, Ryan Tannehill, and Sacks in 2013

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62% of the variance in the sack rate for quarterbacks in the NFL in 2013 was accounted for by: 1) the percentage of pass dropbacks in which QBs were pressured, and 2) the quickness of their release of the ball, as measured by the time elapsed between the beginning of their throwing motion and when the ball left their hand.

The Dolphins' quarterback was pressured on 33.6% of the team's pass dropbacks in 2013, which placed the team in the 31st percentile, slightly below the average percentage of quarterback pressures in the league. In other words, the Dolphins' quarterback was pressured slightly less frequently than the average NFL QB.

Ryan Tannehill's average time to release the ball was 0.18 seconds, which placed him in the 50th percentile in the league, right about average.

The Dolphins were sacked on 8.8% of their pass dropbacks in 2013, which placed the team in the 97th percentile in the league, well above the league average of 6.4%.

Based on the regression coefficients in the model, the expected sack rate for the Dolphins in 2013 was 6.3%. The 2.5% difference between the Dolphins' expected sack rate (6.3%) and its actual sack rate (8.8%) was 1.63 standard deviations above the mean difference in the league in 2013, placing the Dolphins in the 95th percentile in the league in that regard, easily atop the league.

The next closest team in the league was the Browns, where Brandon Weeden's sack rate of 9.2% was 2.1% greater than his expected sack rate of 7.1%. At the other end of the spectrum, Andrew Luck's sack rate of 5.3% was 2% better than the 7.3% expected by the model. In other words, somehow the Colts and Andrew Luck were able to avoid sacks that they would've been predicted to experience based on the frequency of their QB pressure and Luck's release time.

So, what we see here is that there was something going on with regard to sacks for the 2013 Dolphins that was not accounted for by the frequency with which the quarterback was pressured, nor the quarterback's release time, and that something -- whatever it was -- made the team the biggest outlier in the league in that regard.
 
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Shouright, without using stats, percentages, variables, and correlations between stats, percentages,&variables....just tell us in laymans terms..ie..your own words..what u really think of RT17.
 
Shouright, without using stats, percentages, variables, and correlations between stats, percentages,&variables....just tell us in laymans terms..ie..your own words..what u really think of RT17.

I'd love to see that myself...if it's even possible. :lol:
 
Cool, more obscure stats. Watch the games, watch the all 22. He could have avoided some sacks but to ignore the lack of protection is absurd. It's one thing to hold the ball to long in a clean pocket, i.e. Brandon Weeden, it's another to not have a pocket or have it collapsing faster than a lawn chair under Rosie O'Donnell. Part of me appreciates the time you must put into gathering and parsing all of this data to support your narrative, as you are committed if nothing else, but.....sometimes what goes on in the big green box with the white lines on Sundays cannot be directly transferred to the little tiny boxes on your excel spread sheet.
 
62% of the variance in the sack rate for quarterbacks in the NFL in 2013 was accounted for by: 1) the percentage of pass dropbacks in which QBs were pressured, and 2) the quickness of their release of the ball, as measured by the time elapsed between the beginning of their throwing motion and when the ball left their hand.

The Dolphins' quarterback was pressured on 33.6% of the team's pass dropbacks in 2013, which placed the team in the 31st percentile, slightly below the average percentage of quarterback pressures in the league. In other words, the Dolphins' quarterback was pressured slightly less frequently than the average NFL QB.

Ryan Tannehill's average time to release the ball was 0.18 seconds, which placed him in the 50th percentile in the league, right about average.

The Dolphins were sacked on 8.8% of their pass dropbacks in 2013, which placed the team in the 97th percentile in the league, well above the league average of 6.4%.

Based on the regression coefficients in the model, the expected sack rate for the Dolphins in 2013 was 6.3%. The 2.5% difference between the Dolphins' expected sack rate (6.3%) and its actual sack rate (8.8%) was 1.63 standard deviations above the mean difference in the league in 2013, placing the Dolphins in the 95th percentile in the league in that regard, easily atop the league.

The next closest team in the league was the Browns, where Brandon Weeden's sack rate of 9.2% was 2.1% greater than his expected sack rate of 7.1%. At the other end of the spectrum, Andrew Luck's sack rate of 5.3% was 2% better than the 7.3% expected by the model. In other words, somehow the Colts and Andrew Luck were able to avoid sacks that they would've been predicted to experience based on the frequency of their QB pressure and Luck's release time.

So, what we see here is that there was something going on with regard to sacks for the 2013 Dolphins that was not accounted for by the frequency with which the quarterback was pressured, nor the quarterback's release time, and that something -- whatever it was -- made the team the biggest outlier in the league in that regard.
You could literally delete the entire post and say, the dolphins let up more sacks than they were supposed to, but there isn't a clear answer why...
 
You could literally delete the entire post and say, the dolphins let up more sacks than they were supposed to, but there isn't a clear answer why...

But then what would he do with all the stats, percentages,&variables he has stacked up.
 
Dude is classic example of "when you can't dazzle them with details, baffle them with bullcrap".
 
Can you post the entire list of all 32 teams and put it on a scale?

I think it would help give more perspective to your analysis, and conclusion.

So far all you posted was Andrew Luck, Brandon Weeden, and Ryan Tannehill. I would be curious to how well that list aligns with perceived QB play.

Thanks !
 
Dude is classic example of "when you can't dazzle them with details, baffle them with bullcrap".

So simple math is "bullcrap" in your opinion?

The OP gave plenty of details for those who have a basic understanding of mathematics. The details say that Tannehill takes an inordinate amount of sacks per pressure compared to other NFL QBs. This suggest his pocket presence, ability to make reads, overall indecisiveness, or a combination of those things are well below the level of the other QBs who are starting in the NFL.
 
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AND speaking of QBs who should NEVER be allowed to play second halves of post season games...
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differences of opinon, no matter how creepy-make-your-skin-crawl obsessive they may be, but anyone not on his **** list who agrees with this, feel free to quote it.
 
So simple math is "bullcrap" in your opinion?

The OP gave plenty of details for those who have a basic understanding of mathematics. The details say that Tannehill takes an inordinate amount of sacks per pressure compared to other NFL QBs. This suggest his pocket presence, ability to make reads, overall indecisiveness, or a combination of those things are well below the level of the other QBs who are starting in the NFL.
LOL! you`re so full of crap man! And don't take this personally, I actually like you...
 
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