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Another UDFA I Like: WR Derek Moye

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This first video is one I cobbled together off YouTube from a series of videos someone posted of the Penn State offense facing the Alabama defense in 2010. Picking him out should be fairly easy. He's the big, light skinned receiver with black shoes wearing a #6 jersey. There are times when you might confuse him with the guy wearing the #5 jersey but Derek Moye is bigger.

Derek Moye vs. Alabama 2010
[video=youtube;yI0HebOGBK0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?edit=vd&v=yI0HebOGBK0[/video]

This next series of links are a video that I was not able to use YouTube's Video Editor to cut up myself, due to licensing. I've provided links to individual plays I felt were worthy of attention.

Derek Moye vs. Alabama 2011
Near-Side Route vs. Press (Dre Kirkpatrick)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pmcqL0wVUE#t=1s

Far-Side Attempt vs. Press (Dee Milliner)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pmcqL0wVUE#t=202s

Near-Side Route vs Press (Dee Milliner)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pmcqL0wVUE#t=225s

Near-Side Route vs. Press (DaQuan Menzie)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pmcqL0wVUE#t=298s

Far-Side Catch vs. Bail (DaQuan Menzie)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pmcqL0wVUE#t=391s

Near-Side Attempt vs. Zone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pmcqL0wVUE#t=412s

Far-Side Route vs. Zone (DaQuan Menzie)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pmcqL0wVUE#t=468s

Far-Side Attempt vs. Press (Dee Milliner)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pmcqL0wVUE#t=479s

Far-Side Attempt vs. Zone (Dee Milliner)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pmcqL0wVUE#t=488s

Far-Side Catch vs. Zone (DaQuan Menzie)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pmcqL0wVUE#t=513s

Far-Side Attempt vs. Press (Dee Milliner)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pmcqL0wVUE#t=524s

Far-Side Interception vs. Bail (DaQuan Menzie) - Plus Two Replays
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pmcqL0wVUE#t=560s

Far-Side Attempt vs. Man (Dre Kirkpatrick)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pmcqL0wVUE#t=641s

Far-Side Attempt vs. Press (Dre Kirkpatrick)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pmcqL0wVUE#t=650s

Far-Side Route vs. Press (Dre Kirkpatrick)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pmcqL0wVUE#t=661s

Near-Side Attempt vs. Zone (Dee Milliner)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pmcqL0wVUE#t=753s

Far-Side Catch vs. Zone (Dre Kirkpatrick)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pmcqL0wVUE#t=790s

Far-Side Attempt vs. Press (Dre Kirkpatrick)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pmcqL0wVUE#t=806s

Far-Side Route vs. Man (Dre Kirkpatrick)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pmcqL0wVUE#t=855s

Near-Side Route vs. Press (Dee Milliner)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pmcqL0wVUE#t=880s

Here is what I see in these videos:

-Remember that these are NFL corners and safeties. CB Dre Kirkpatrick and CB Dee Milliner are 1st round caliber players, and CB DaQuan Menzie is a mid round caliber guy. S Mark Barron went in the top 10, and many are already tabbing S Robert Lester for the 1st round. While the production (6 catches for 120 yards in 2 games) was not stellar (see below for reference on what leading WRs did vs Bama in 2011), against these guys everything he did is very translatable at the NFL level because the level of competition was as good as it gets.

-Keeping that in mind, what jumps out to me right away is his consistency against the press. It wasn't ALWAYS perfect, but generally speaking his initial defeat of the press was NFL caliber. There are some instances there where it looks like he doesn't get off the jam but really it's a matter of offensive predictability and the corner sitting heavily on the slant.

-Really suffered a lot from very bad quarterback play. A lot of the 'attempts' I note where he's not able to come down with the ball, are poorly thrown, poorly timed, or poorly decided. There are a few that were his fault. There's one crossing over the middle where the ball was thrown behind him but he could have come down with it. I wish the YouTube video had included the replay because the field level camera gives you a good feel for how big a target a 6'4" guy with Moye's leaping ability and long arms really is over the middle, yet the quarterback still threw behind him. There was a slant that looked like a 1 step drop and Moye needed to be more urgent about getting into his cut. Most of the other attempts weren't really his fault for not coming down with the ball. You need better QB play than that.

-The size/speed ratio are impressive. He's a full 6'4" with long arms, and he ran a 4.44 in the 40 yard dash at his pro day. He's criticized for his skinny frame but I don't see that. I see a guy that has some muscle on him and enough thickness to make that 6'4" frame work. He's a load for a corner to handle in any facet, even Alabama corners who are much bigger than you usually find at the college level.

-Again I have to emphasize how little action Alabama let up to wide receivers this year. Excepting a 65 yard catch given up on the 1st play of the Florida game and a 59 yard catch given up on the 4th play of the Ole Miss game, the amount of production let up to the team's most productive wide receiver in each game this year was ludicrous. Considering some of the horrible passes and missed opportunities the Penn State QBs squandered with Moye facing Alabama this year, you might not be remiss in thinking that secondary had more trouble against Moye than any other wide receiver they faced, on a play for play basis. See below:

Top Producing WRs vs. Alabama in 2011:
Kent State - 3 catches, 24 yards (WR Hurdle)
Penn State - 3 catches, 51 yards (WR Moye*)
North Texas - 3 catches, 35 yards (WR Outlaw)
Arkansas - 6 catches, 37 yards (WR Adams)
Florida - 2 catches, 90 yards, 1 TD (WR Debose - 65 yard TD catch on 1st play of game)
Vanderbilt - 1 catch, 9 yards (WR Umoh)
Ole Miss - 4 catches, 101 yards (WR Brassell - 59 yard catch on 4th play of game)
Tennessee - 2 catches, 32 yards (WR Rogers)
LSU - 2 catches, 39 yards (WR Shepard)
Mississippi State - 5 catches, 42 yards, 1 TD (WR Smith)
Georgia Southern - 0 catch, 0 yards
Auburn - 2 catches, 3 yards (WR Reed)
LSU - 5 catches, 38 yards (WR Beckham)
Total - 38 catches, 501 yards, 2 TDs

*I think with a more accurate QB...in 2011 Moye catches 6 balls for 125 yards against Alabama's secondary. He was open on that one potential 20 yarder over the middle where Bolden threw the ball way behind him, and he was open on that 30 yard fade between the corner and safety where the QB woefully underthrew it to the inside. He was open again for a 24 yarder in the hole between corner and safety coverage, but was overthrown.

Alabama secondary in 2010 wasn't quite up to the ridiculous caliber it had in 2011. Here are the lead-producing WRs from 2010.

Top Producing WRs vs. Alabama in 2010:
San Jose State - 2 catches, 55 yards (WR Grigsby)
Penn State - 3 catches, 69 yards (WR Moye)
Duke - 7 catches, 55 yards (WR Varner)
Arkansas - 6 catches, 131 yards (WR Wright)
Florida - 3 catches, 60 yards (WR Thompson)
South Carolina - 7 catch, 127 yards, 2 TDs (WR Jeffery)
Ole Miss - 4 catches, 25 yards (WR Harris)
Tennessee - 7 catches, 52 yards (WR Jones)
LSU - 3 catches, 125 yards, 1 TD (WR Randle)
Mississippi State - 2 catches, 44 yards (WR Clark)
Georgia State - 1 catch, 9 yards (WR Williams)
Auburn - 2 catches, 79 yards, 1 TD (WR Zachery)
Michigan State - 2 catches, 56 yards, 1 TD (WR Fowler)
Total - 49 catches, 887 yards, 5 TDs

Note there were a fair number of good receivers that faced Alabama twice, or even three times, but none could consistently produce against them each time he faced the Crimson Tide defense. Moye was the only one.
 
He is a good WR. I've gone to Penn State for the last 4 years and watched him. His numbers would actually be better if we had stable QB play up here (the Fins and PSU are similar in so many ways). JoePa would always play McGloin and Bolden (who is terrible now) for 2 quarters each and never let one get settled in. We'd be doing this QB rotation for like 6-7 games into the season.
 
imo he will be a ps guy. we have alot of young talent at wr
 
I was so estatic to see his sign here. I am a huge fan of his from PSU i think if he was healthy last season and we had better QB's thier like you said then he would have been better. Bolden needs to learn more and we cant have a QB by community at PSU.
But with that said i hope he shines and becomes the next best udfa wr.
 
sinPHIN said:
imo he will be a ps guy. we have alot of young talent at wr
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That's probably the best bet for a guess on a UDFA player, just as I'm sure my other favorite UDFA Jonas Gray will probably start the year on the PUP list.

However, I wouldn't be shocked if Derek Moye emerges during preseason as a quarterback favorite, because they know when they throw to him that he will have gotten off the press, gotten to where they need him to be, and will have gained a little separation.
 
Good stuff as always CK.

I'm not sure why you are trying to be "all positive" about our WR situation now that we traded B "bowel movement" Marshall.

But it is a nice thing to hear.
 
ckparrothead said:
That's probably the best bet for a guess on a UDFA player, just as I'm sure my other favorite UDFA Jonas Gray will probably start the year on the PUP list.

However, I wouldn't be shocked if Derek Moye emerges during preseason as a quarterback favorite, because they know when they throw to him that he will have gotten off the press, gotten to where they need him to be, and will have gained a little separation.
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your right. i just dont see him making the roster over a wallace,bj, matthews, or even fuller. but i hope he comes in and shines. he is very talented but like i said before we just have alot of young talent fighting for a spot. and to me its exciting. i know alot of guys on here dont feel the same tho
 
I'm not really sure about Moore and Wallace. They are big and fast but I do not think they had a lot of production in college. I just do not know if they run good routes. They have had a couple of years on the PS to learn and for us to find out and they could lose their spot of the PS to someone like Derek Moye.
 
Wow that fumblerooski play at like 1 minute in is grand!!

But I like your analysis of the guy. Having someone able to get off the press is extremely valuable. He does seem a little skinny but being on an NFL team could fix that soon enough.

I see no reason he couldn't pull a Davone Bess and make the team over anyone not named Bess, Hartline, or Gates.
 
LikeUntoGod said:
Good stuff as always CK.

I'm not sure why you are trying to be "all positive" about our WR situation now that we traded B "bowel movement" Marshall.

But it is a nice thing to hear.
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I'm not really positive on the WR position as a whole. I'm just spotlighting a UDFA prospect that I kind of like that MAY make the very bottom of the roster.
 
I spoke to a co-worker of mine who is a big Penn State fan. He basically reaffirmed wihat CK said (without the video evidence shown above), that Moye was more of a victim of bad quarterback play more than anything. He says Moye is physically very talented and showed really solid potential, but bad QBs really stunted his growth while at PSU.

I'm not entirely sure that with better QBs throwing to him that Moye would have been regarded very highly. That said, I bet he could have gone in the 3-5 rounds under different circumstances. I wish him the best. Seems like a talented player who needs a good shot. He may start on the PS, but depending on performance and/or injuries in the WR-core, might find himself elevated to the 53 man roster.
 
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im sure every team is excited about their udfa as we are with ours.its like going to the casino with the houses money to play with.however the odds are still not in your favor
 
Between Moye, Fuller, Mathews, Cunningham, Moore, Pruitt, and Wallace, that is 7 guys right there. Hopefully, a couple of them can separate themselves and be bona fide. You could almost put Gates in there too, but I have a higher expectation for him since he is so sudden. Hopefully some good coaching and a better system will play into this.

1. I think Hartline, Bess, and Gates make it. That leaves 2-3 spots. Last year, GB kept 5 wideouts and 5 tight ends. Maybe Miami goes 6 and 4 instead of 5 and 5 respectively. Or Miami goes 6, WR, 3 TE and carries an extra back.
2. Moore has been here a couple of years and he has very weak hands. He can't hang onto the ball in traffic. He's just a guy. I don't see him lasting. He's just an end of the bench guy.
3. Wallace has a shot. He is a good special teamer and has great size. He can catch. But he moves in a very gangly manner and isn't very sudden. Hopefully he really emerges. I could see it being an either/or situation with Wallace and Legedu Nenee (sp?).
4. I am very intrigued by Pruitt. Small school background, but really good athlete. If he could put it together, he could have a high ceiling. He's been working at it. Unlike an Anthony Armstrong, this kid is pretty well built and could probably take a hit.
5. I am not as high on Fuller. Dropsies last year. Reminds me of Derek Hagan, and I mean that as a pejorative. I suppose he could put the dropsies behind him, so he is worth a look. I am thinking practice squad at best here, but even there, we have alot mouths to feed at the position.
6. Matthews is another intriguing guy to me. Pretty good tools and production. Cunningham I am less high on athletically, but I like how competitive he is. Seems like a great kid.
7. I am not sure how strong Moye is, but he could be another development project.

So we truly will not have any clue until we see training camp and pre-season games. My prediction mostly on hunch.

1. Bess
2. Hartline
3. Gates
4. Pruitt
5. Wallace
6. Matthews

practice squad: Moye and Cunningham. Les Brown from the TE position also on PS. Not sure we can carry Fulller too. But obviously, my 4-6 guys will compete with Moye, Cunningham, and Fuller, and any combination of those 6 could make it. That's a lot of permutations. I just hope someone makes it clear they are ready to emerge.
 
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Austin Tatious said:
Between Moye, Fuller, Mathews, Underwood, Moore, Pruitt, and Wallace, that is 7 guys right there. Hopefully, a couple of them can separate themselves and be bona fide. You could almost put Gates in there too, but I have a higher expectation for him since he is so sudden. Hopefully some good coaching and a better system will play into this.

1. I think Hartline, Bess, and Gates make it. That leaves 2-3 spots. Last year, GB kept 5 wideouts and 5 tight ends. Maybe Miami goes 6 and 4 instead of 5 and 5 respectively.
2. Moore has been here a couple of years and he has very weak hands. He can't hang onto the ball in traffic. He's just a guy. I don't see him lasting. He's just an end of the bench guy.
3. Wallace has a shot. He is a good special teamer and has great size. He can catch. But he moves in a very gangly manner and isn't very sudden. Hopefully he really emerges. I could see it being an either/or situation with Wallace and Legedu Nenee (sp?).
4. I am very intrigued by Pruitt. Small school background, but really good athlete. If he could put it together, he could have a high ceiling. He's been working at it. Unlike an Anthony Armstrong, this kid is pretty well built and could probably take a hit.
5. I am not as high on Fuller. Dropsies last year. Reminds me of Derek Hagan, and I mean that as a pejorative. I suppose he could put the dropsies behind him, so he is worth a look. I am thinking practice squad at best here, but even there, we have alot mouths to feed at the position.
6. Matthews is another intriguing guy to me. Pretty good tools and production. Underwood I am less high on athletically, but I like how competitive he is. Seems like a great kid.
7. I am not sure how strong Moye is, but he could be another development project.

So we truly will not have any clue until we see training camp and pre-season games. My prediction mostly on hunch.

1. Bess
2. Hartline
3. Gates
4. Pruitt
5. Wallace
6. Matthews

practice squad: Moye and Underwood. Les Brown from the TE position also on PS. Not sure we can carry Fulller too. But obviously, my 4-6 guys will compete with Moye, Underwood, and Fuller, and any combination of those 6 could make it. That's a lot of permutations. I just hope someone makes it clear they are ready to emerge.
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You forgot Cunningham. Who IMO will be a starter before the season is up.
 
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