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Another UDFA I Like: WR Derek Moye

darn, I meant Cunningham when I said Underwood. Sorry about that. I will fix it. Embarrassing for me.
 
don't know if he'll make the 53, but hope he does

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no way is pruitt making the 53
 
qb play was an issue. i just hope the staff gives him the chances to make this team and we'll sort out the best at the end. I'm tired of seeing some of these receivers around for the last three years. The only guy i really think we should keep for sure is hartline. Even Bess should be evaluated this year!!!
 
So what's not to like with Moye, CK? What do you think his negatives are?

I understand he ran a 4.44 at his pro day but I don't see that speed on tape myself. Just curious why you think he wasn't rated so highly.
 
I don't have a particularly high opinion of Miami's receivers unit.

That is really the very reason I spotlight a guy like Derek Moye. I don't think he has the potential to be a special receiver at the next level, like a Brandon Marshall, etc. He has the triangle measurements for that but not necessarily the grit. But what I think he CAN do is actually come in and catch passes on an NFL football field. It's sad, but that's kind of what we're not sure we have once you get beyond Brian Hartline, Davone Bess and Legedu Naanee. Legedu Naanee sucks, but at least you know he can catch the ball on an NFL football field and deal with the jam, get into his route, etc.

Clyde Gates hasn't proven he can do that. Rishard Matthews and B.J. Cunningham need to prove themselves against physical coverage and press technique before I say they can do that. Jeff Fuller has to show that he can put his drops and overarching concentration/focus issues behind him before I say he can do it. But Derek Moye actually laid some things down on his college tape that make me think he can do it.

So that's why I spotlight him. Don't expect Moye to be a shorts and t-shirt guy in OTAs or Mini Camp. That's not his venue. His venue will be training camp when the pads go on and things get a lot more physical, and then preseason when I expect he could come out of some of our preseason games with 5 catch, 61 yard performances where the QBs just end up looking his way pretty often because they know he can get open and catch the ball.
 
TheWalrus said:
So what's not to like with Moye, CK? What do you think his negatives are?

I understand he ran a 4.44 at his pro day but I don't see that speed on tape myself. Just curious why you think he wasn't rated so highly.
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His hands are not special, by any means. He's big and he's one of those guys that can make a circus one-hander every now and then, but on the challenged catches where you have to haul the ball in while being hit, I'd say the ball ends up dribbling out more often than not. He's more of a smooth athlete than a quick twitch guy. I think the NFL may disagree with me on his ability to get off the press because he's a big target and he's not especially quick off the line like a Brian Hartline. As you say the speed generally doesn't show up as much as guys that are true 4.40 speedsters. More deceptive speed than anything. The run after catch ability on him is good but not stellar eye grabbing. He only did 10 bench reps, so teams have to be thinking he's not very strong. He has always struggled putting weight on that skinny 6'4" frame with narrow shoulders.

But I think he was underrated. I think his hand technique, attention to detail, and natural size advantage at the line get him off the jam at the next level. I think the 10 bench reps and skinny frame are deceiving, and he's stronger than you would think. The bottom line on that is, he's going to be about 210-215 lbs at the next level and he can dominate with his arm length and frame in ways that most other guys can't. I'll take a combination of size, quick hands and attention to detail over gaudy bench rep numbers any time, when it comes to getting off the press. Given that he's not explosive, I think his narrow frame and rounded shoulders are actually something of an advantage, allowing him to be more agile than you'd typically find in a guy that big. I liked what I saw of him at the Combine. He was very smooth, and both attention to detail and concentration ability were evident.

I think he's sort of the version of B.J. Cunningham that translates better to the next level because of superior tangibles. Cunningham was big for a college player, at 6'1" and 211 lbs. But at the next level, that's not going to be the great advantage it was in college. He'll face a lot of defensive backs that are similarly sized. He could go from being a fair RAC player that broke some tackles here and there because of his size advantages, to being a guy that can't buy any yards after the catch unless it's already given to him by the spacing of the defense. And if he can't get off the press then he won't be the kind of slant specialist he was at MSU.
 
hey ck, maybe Moye can add 15-25 lbs of muscle. This would help in his ability to go up and get the ball.
 
moparman said:
hey ck, maybe Moye can add 15-25 lbs of muscle. This would help in his ability to go up and get the ball.
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I doubt he adds that much. He's struggled to get 209 lbs on that frame, he's just naturally pretty skinny, sinewy. I actually like his look a lot at 209 lbs and I wouldn't want him to change it much. Put him out there on the field with that 6'4" frame and long arms, at 209 lbs he's still going to look bigger than a lot of corners and play up to the same level of strength and physicality as a lot of players that are reputed better, because of his size and quick hands.
 
I give the Fins credit for finding several potential gems after the 6th round and undrafted free agents. Instead of spend high picks like when they drafted Turner in the 3rd and Hartline in the 4th they quaddrupled down and brought in a number of guys who could make the team or be starters down the.road. All had good productivity in college and some were projected much higher. Add these guys to Hartline , Bess , Gates , Moore and Wallace. Throw them all out there and let the cream rise to the top.
The Dolphins filled most of thier other holes going into the draft and if things work out at other positions with these new players and none of the new recievers stick that's your top target in next years draft.
Amazing analysis CK. No one does better player profiles than you. Who are the top recievers in next years class ? ( just in case )
 
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fishfanmiami said:
I give the Fins credit for finding several potential gems after the 6th round and undrafted free agents. Instead of spend high picks like when they drafted Turner in the 3rd and Hartline in the 4th they quaddrupled down and brought in a number of guys who could make the team or be starters down the.road. All had good productivity in college and some were projected much higher. Add these guys to Hartline , Bess , Gates , Moore and Wallace. Throw them all out there and let the cream rise to the top.
The Dolphins filled most of thier other holes going into the draft and if things work out at other positions with these new players and none of the new recievers stick that's your top target in next years draft.
Amazing analysis CK. No one does better player profiles than you. Who are the top recievers in next years class ? ( just in case )
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The guy that I have a feeling will rise to the very top in next year's Draft at the wide receiver position is Marquess Wilson of the Washington State Cougs. He was already arguably the top WR in the Pac-12 (Dennis Erickson said so outright), which puts him up there for best WR in the NCAA, but now he'll operate in Mike Leach's Air Raid attack. He'll have two of the best QBs in college football passing the ball to him, too. Jeff Tuel is a very good QB and should be draftable when all is said and done, but Connor Halliday his backup may have much more potential, as he absolutely blew me away with some of the things he did last year as a redshirt freshman. The two are in the midst of a QB competition but an injury (lacerated liver) that Halliday took last year continued to give him trouble during spring ball, and so Tuel is thought to be the guy that wins now as he seized the advantage of Halliday's sitting and played some pretty lights out football in the spring game. Point being, even if Tuel succumbs to injuries as he did in 2011 (multiple), Marquess Wilson should be able to roll right on with Halliday or even have his production increase. I love Wilson's all around game. He makes himself real small at the line and explodes off it with urgency (an old Michael Irvin trick), so I think he'll have no trouble with the press at the next level. He's got great size and frame to be dangerous that way, and he's plenty fast. He creates a lot of separation, has great, consistent hands, and runs really well after the catch. I like him better than Robert Woods and Keenan Allen.

The guy who might be able to challenge Wilson in my eyes is Justin Hunter of Tennessee. He's a little too skinny for my tastes but if he continues to fill out and shows he's back from the injury he took in 2011, and shows that he can stay healthy, then this is a guy to pay a lot of attention to because he makes BIG plays and is a ridiculous natural athlete that can run and got open any way you want him to. Good hands. Was an elite recruit, and is a track star. He's not there yet, there are things I need to see before I'm even sold on him as an NFL player, but the potential is there.

Robert Woods is well advertised. I think he compares with Mario Manningham. Keenan Allen is a good RAC type player, though I think a little overrated. Ryan Swope is a very good slot candidate that compares with Jordan Shipley, who did very well as a rookie in 2010 before taking an injury which limited his 2011 participation.

I think Cobi Hamilton's speed is a little overrated. He's a vertical threat type player, big plays, big per catch average, but where his track star status and high average have most convinced he's a 4.40 or even 4.3x speedster, I see more akin to 4.48 to 4.50. Tavon Austin is a midget, but a really talented one. Terrence Williams was Kendall Wright's teammate at Baylor, and I think he's just as good as Wright, probably faster.

But the best SENIOR receiver out there...might not even be currently playing the position. I would love to get Denard Robinson working at the receiver position. Such a gifted athlete. A ton of natural elusiveness, concentration and football skills.

If you want a guy that Sherman may keep an eye on outside of Swope (who was absolutely, clearly Tannehill's favorite player) then keep an eye on Uzoma Nwachuku. Ideal build and speed, route running skills...his problems are concentration related. He needs to consistently get his steps right, consistently catch the football, but he always struck me as the highest ceiling receiver that TAMU had.
 
I was stoked for Patrick Turner, and Brandon Marshall, but it seems like we never really got the big receiver plays naturally down. I hope that changes, be it with Egnew or Moye. It'll help out our ailing red-zone offense big time.
 
I was listening to NFL Radio this morning and Amani Toomer was on saying the Moye runs good routes, he has good hands and good speed and was surprised to not see him get drafted. Said if he can learn to get off the jam at the LOS then Miami found themselves an excellent receiver.
 
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