ckparrothead
Premium Member
Here are Flynn's two starts at the NFL level. Care to mark which passes "float like Jay Fiedler's passes did"? I'm just curious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C8F0cWvAfo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP_kCH84HmI
Are you sold on Flynn?
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Here are Flynn's two starts at the NFL level. Care to mark which passes "float like Jay Fiedler's passes did"? I'm just curious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C8F0cWvAfo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP_kCH84HmI
LIke Vaark and CK is saying, and like I have said, I'm content in the direction we go. Philbin knows Flynn and Sherman knows Tannehill. For them to go after an RGIII or a Weeden or even stick with a Matt Moore (which would make fans irate I know) would say alot about every party involved. I have more faith in those 2 in regards to our QB position than I ever did in Sparano/Henning.
Obviously Peyton Manning is a wildcard factor and that goes beyond on the field and future promise, thats about selling tickets and potentially getting the all time record holder in several categories when it is all said and done. We can cross that bridge later.
For me, I probably like Flynn the least out of everybody but I like the fact that he wouldn't cost us anything in draft compensation. However with that being my reasoning . . . I rather draft our guy with that first round pick, find a way to get Weeden or trade up for RGIII/Luck (obviously depends on cost) over Flynn. Atleast if Flynn is a Dolphin I'm comfortable with Philbin being the one he is tied to. I would hate him coming here if Sparano was here.
Obviously Peyton Manning is a wildcard factor and that goes beyond on the field and future promise, thats about selling tickets and potentially getting the all time record holder in several categories when it is all said and done. We can cross that bridge later.
For me, I probably like Flynn the least out of everybody but I like the fact that he wouldn't cost us anything in draft compensation. However with that being my reasoning . . . I rather draft our guy with that first round pick, find a way to get Weeden or trade up for RGIII/Luck (obviously depends on cost) over Flynn. Atleast if Flynn is a Dolphin I'm comfortable with Philbin being the one he is tied to. I would hate him coming here if Sparano was here.
ckparrothead
Premium Member
If Sparano were still here there would be no reason to grab Matt Flynn. Getting great QB play isn't just about getting the right guy. It's about getting the right guy and putting him in the right circumstances. Matt Hasselbeck would've been good if he were acquired by Miami, but would he have been worth 3 Pro Bowls if he were acquired by Miami instead of a coach that knew him and knew how to tailor an offense around him in Mike Holmgren? I don't know.
DefensiveEnd76
Football Guru
If you think Matt Flynn doesn't have a weak arm then by all means have at it. Aaron Rodgers has a howitzer compared to Flynn's cap gun arm.
True, but Matt Flynn's arm is just as strong as Steve Young, Matt Hasselbeck and Joe Montana's. Three very successful QBs in the system we are getting ready to employ.
Huh? We aren't a west coast offense if thats what your saying, please provide a link.
Joe Philbin said we are going to run a "spread" offense based on the principles they've used in Green Bay. Green Bay's offense is based on West coast principles and Mike Sherman and Mike McCarthy are Mike Holmgren disciples(thereby Joe Philbin is as well). It is safe to say that our offense will have a lot of West Coast in it, however, Joe Philbin is smart enough not to label his offense and pigeon hole himself before seeing what personnel he will take the field with.
Do you think the offense in Green Bay is not a version of the West Coast offense?
Do you think the offense in Green Bay is not a version of the West Coast offense?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/17214016/philbin-looks-to-upgrade-dolphins-offense
New Dolphins coach Joe Philbin has spent the past five years orchestrating a high-octane west coast offense in Green Bay, so does he plan to bring that style of attack to Miami?
"I've been in the west coast system for nine years and I'm still not sure what that means," Philbin said. "With that being said, I think it's a mistake to take the Green Bay Packers playbook and plop it on the table here in South Florida."
http://www.nola.com/newsflash/index...-to-afc-east/2bceae965cc120f00dbfff8c846faff3
With a new coach, the players once again have to adjust to another system. After yearly change under former coach Tony Sparano, the Dolphins now turn to Joe Philbin and the highly successful West Coast offense.
"I'm not even sure what the West Coast offense means," Philbin said Thursday. "I do know we're going to be sound, we're going to protect the A and B gaps when we send the quarterback away from the center."
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/...lbin discusses tragedy&asset_type=html_module
New coach Joe Philbin said Friday the team will “absolutely” make significant use of the no-huddle offense, will exploit matchup advantages and will use multiple formations to keep defenses guessing.
“We want to create mismatches… with our formations, our motion, our shifting,” he said. “We may line up with no backs in the backfield.
Next play, we may have two tight ends and two backs. We want to play fast, make the defense adjust. If they can’t adjust and if they can’t handle our empty backfield and if we’re completing passes left and right, we’re going to stay with it and make them stop it.
“I’m not saying we’re going to be no-huddle every play. [But] if you want to be an up-tempo team, you want to have as many at-bats as possible.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_offense
The spread offense begins with the quarterback in the shotgun formation most of the time, and often employs a no-huddle approach. The fundamental nature of the spread offense involves spreading the field horizontally using 3, 4, and even 5-receiver sets. Some implementations of the spread also feature wide splits between the offensive linemen. The object of the spread offense is to open up multiple vertical seams for both the running and passing game to exploit, as the defense is forced to spread itself thin across the field (a "horizontal stretch") to cover everyone.
New Dolphins coach Joe Philbin has spent the past five years orchestrating a high-octane west coast offense in Green Bay, so does he plan to bring that style of attack to Miami?
"I've been in the west coast system for nine years and I'm still not sure what that means," Philbin said. "With that being said, I think it's a mistake to take the Green Bay Packers playbook and plop it on the table here in South Florida."
http://www.nola.com/newsflash/index...-to-afc-east/2bceae965cc120f00dbfff8c846faff3
With a new coach, the players once again have to adjust to another system. After yearly change under former coach Tony Sparano, the Dolphins now turn to Joe Philbin and the highly successful West Coast offense.
"I'm not even sure what the West Coast offense means," Philbin said Thursday. "I do know we're going to be sound, we're going to protect the A and B gaps when we send the quarterback away from the center."
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/...lbin discusses tragedy&asset_type=html_module
New coach Joe Philbin said Friday the team will “absolutely” make significant use of the no-huddle offense, will exploit matchup advantages and will use multiple formations to keep defenses guessing.
“We want to create mismatches… with our formations, our motion, our shifting,” he said. “We may line up with no backs in the backfield.
Next play, we may have two tight ends and two backs. We want to play fast, make the defense adjust. If they can’t adjust and if they can’t handle our empty backfield and if we’re completing passes left and right, we’re going to stay with it and make them stop it.
“I’m not saying we’re going to be no-huddle every play. [But] if you want to be an up-tempo team, you want to have as many at-bats as possible.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_offense
The spread offense begins with the quarterback in the shotgun formation most of the time, and often employs a no-huddle approach. The fundamental nature of the spread offense involves spreading the field horizontally using 3, 4, and even 5-receiver sets. Some implementations of the spread also feature wide splits between the offensive linemen. The object of the spread offense is to open up multiple vertical seams for both the running and passing game to exploit, as the defense is forced to spread itself thin across the field (a "horizontal stretch") to cover everyone.
Your Wikipedia reference is not applicable.
Everything else you pasted would lead anyone to believe that the West Coast offense will have an influence on our offense this year.
I'm not sure I understand the point of your posts, are you against us signing Matt Flynn and are you convinced our offense will look nothing like a West coast offense?
Everything else you pasted would lead anyone to believe that the West Coast offense will have an influence on our offense this year.
I'm not sure I understand the point of your posts, are you against us signing Matt Flynn and are you convinced our offense will look nothing like a West coast offense?
Joe Philbin said it himself, the question was asked and he implied he doesn't see how being from west coast coaching tree would automaticlly imply he would implement it in miami. I thought that was your original statement but if you want to switch it up I believe a spread offense and a west coast offense are 2 completely different styles.
I'm totally against signing Matt Flynn due to him being exactly another Matt Moore, limited weak arm QB with above average mobility. I'm not just convinced we won't look like a west coast offense, the Head coach is completely shooting down the question in 2 linked articles. Please post any article you can find that implies we will be or will implement a west coast system.
FinsBR
Dolfan from São Paulo - Brazil
Agree with everything you said. I know this is a message board and we are supposed and expected to say what we would do, but like you said, "Philbin knows Flynn and Sherman knows Tannehill" and their future as HC and OC are tied with their decision. If they are sold on them, so should we.
The only thing Flynn would cost us if he doesn't pan out is a cap hit in the future, the same if we sigh Manning, so it doesn't really matter.
IMO we should sigh Manning, keep Moore and draft a 1st round QB either trading up to RGIII or sticking with Tannehill, that way we have an great QB to groom the rookie and a serviceable backup if nothing works.
The reporters are making the conclusion but when Philbin responds he clearly says it will have no influence.
Philbin then states his vision of the offense will be more spread offense in which again I believe is a complete different style compared to a west coast offense.
In other words a west coast offense is more of a traditional prostyle offense that just utilizes more 3 WR sets, double TE formations and RB pass routes as checkdowns IMO. Thats why GB was so pass happy because they were loaded at WR and TE, they abused the RB screen due to not being able to run the ball effective.
The WCO utilizes your skill player talent compared to spread offense that utilizes formation match ups.
http://www.nola.com/newsflash/index...-to-afc-east/2bceae965cc120f00dbfff8c846faff3
The 49ers won five Super Bowls, three under Walsh and two with George Siefert. With the success piling, other took notice. The system found its way to Denver, where the Broncos had failed in three previous Super Bowl appearances.
That changed when coach Mike Shanahan installed the West Coast offense, leading the Broncos to titles in 1997 and 1998.
"I have no idea what the West Coast offense means anymore," Shanahan said recently with a light chuckle. "I use to know 20 years ago when Bill Walsh used the term. Back then it was one formation, three and five step drops. That was pretty standard on what they did. Everyone that's taken off from that organization has went in a different direction. That's why I'm not sure what the definition is anymore."
The offense uses short, horizontal passing routes and running plays to stretch out defenses, creating the opportunity for big plays. When Philbin was hired by the Packers in 2003, the West Coast offense was already in Green Bay.
P.S. If you read the entire article Philbin shuts this WCO in miami myth down several times.
The 49ers won five Super Bowls, three under Walsh and two with George Siefert. With the success piling, other took notice. The system found its way to Denver, where the Broncos had failed in three previous Super Bowl appearances.
That changed when coach Mike Shanahan installed the West Coast offense, leading the Broncos to titles in 1997 and 1998.
"I have no idea what the West Coast offense means anymore," Shanahan said recently with a light chuckle. "I use to know 20 years ago when Bill Walsh used the term. Back then it was one formation, three and five step drops. That was pretty standard on what they did. Everyone that's taken off from that organization has went in a different direction. That's why I'm not sure what the definition is anymore."
The offense uses short, horizontal passing routes and running plays to stretch out defenses, creating the opportunity for big plays. When Philbin was hired by the Packers in 2003, the West Coast offense was already in Green Bay.
P.S. If you read the entire article Philbin shuts this WCO in miami myth down several times.
ckparrothead
Premium Member
You're essentially saying that there isn't an offense in the entire league that runs the West Coast Offense. If that's the case then no the Dolphins will not run the West Coast Offense. They'll run an offense similar to the offenses of teams that are generally said to run the West Coast Offense.