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Balance Matters Grasshoppers. 34 run attempts/31 pass attempts equals VICTORY!

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O my, we decided to run the ball. Often, that is what it takes. A desire and the willpower to do it, to do the dirty work. To keep pounding when you are only getting 3 yards a carry in the 1st half. Do you want the answer to why our OL did not grade out really well? Look at our first half running the ball. We had a lot of 1, 2, and 3-yard runs.

We used the single back formation a lot and added a "move TE" or H-Back.

You have to understand the benefits of running the football. Here is one. Our defense has been averaging 76 plays per game. Against the Steelers, they only played 53 downs. A 23 down/play difference! But also look at Top Of Possession. We had the ball 36 minutes and 30 seconds. The Steeler only had the ball 23 minutes and 30 seconds. A difference of 13 minutes!

There are a few things about running the ball constantly that you have to understand. I'm not even talking about running it well, I'm just talking about running it period. One reason being that the more runs you attempt, the better your chances of breaking a couple and breaking down the defense. Not to mention a very important fact. Our QB was not sacked. He could have been 4 times but each time he got away from it and made a completed pass. Because there is a difference between being able to see the rush coming or "feeling" it and being hit within 1.4 seconds after the ball is snapped.

Oddly, this is the same QB that a lot of people seem to think cannot escape the pass rush. As I said last week, no one could escape getting hit as soon as he was being hit.

Here is some big things about running the ball and running from running formations. The defense does not know what you are going to do. If you are passing every down they will just come after you. And when we pass, our huge OL has to backpedal back, try to figure out who they are blocking and they get pounded by the defense. And the defense just pins it's ears back and come for the QB. But when you run the ball, the defense is not only not sure what is coming, they are getting pounded.

There is a semi-BS statement in football that some runners get stronger as the game goes along. This is not true and is really impossible. What happens in a combination of things. The defense is getting pounded by the OL. They are getting weaker and beaten up. The OL and the RB are at this point, also getting into a groove. They are playing well off of each other. The RBs start breaking runs because the defense has been beaten down. They are hurt and tired. We had Steelers throwing up during the game. Plus mentally, our OL and RBs "got stronger".

Another point is "blame". When the QB is passing well, the defenders think "well, it is that DB's fault". But when you run the ball, all the defenders know it is their fault.
 
It would be tremendous for our chances of success if we sustain a strong running game. It makes everything else better
 
Oh, thank you, ole wise one ;-). I am hoping our "WANT TO" is more than the Bill's "WANT TO" this Sunday so we can keep the run/pass balance. Our win against the Steelers has renewed my hope. I definitely want to win this game!
 
Having your O-line intact makes a difference...getting rid of Thomas and Turner and the way he did it made an impact.

We now have a coach who holds the players accountable.
 
O my, we decided to run the ball. Often, that is what it takes. A desire and the willpower to do it, to do the dirty work. To keep pounding when you are only getting 3 yards a carry in the 1st half. Do you want the answer to why our OL did not grade out really well? Look at our first half running the ball. We had a lot of 1, 2, and 3-yard runs.

We used the single back formation a lot and added a "move TE" or H-Back.

You have to understand the benefits of running the football. Here is one. Our defense has been averaging 76 plays per game. Against the Steelers, they only played 53 downs. A 23 down/play difference! But also look at Top Of Possession. We had the ball 36 minutes and 30 seconds. The Steeler only had the ball 23 minutes and 30 seconds. A difference of 13 minutes!

There are a few things about running the ball constantly that you have to understand. I'm not even talking about running it well, I'm just talking about running it period. One reason being that the more runs you attempt, the better your chances of breaking a couple and breaking down the defense. Not to mention a very important fact. Our QB was not sacked. He could have been 4 times but each time he got away from it and made a completed pass. Because there is a difference between being able to see the rush coming or "feeling" it and being hit within 1.4 seconds after the ball is snapped.

Oddly, this is the same QB that a lot of people seem to think cannot escape the pass rush. As I said last week, no one could escape getting hit as soon as he was being hit.

Here is some big things about running the ball and running from running formations. The defense does not know what you are going to do. If you are passing every down they will just come after you. And when we pass, our huge OL has to backpedal back, try to figure out who they are blocking and they get pounded by the defense. And the defense just pins it's ears back and come for the QB. But when you run the ball, the defense is not only not sure what is coming, they are getting pounded.

There is a semi-BS statement in football that some runners get stronger as the game goes along. This is not true and is really impossible. What happens in a combination of things. The defense is getting pounded by the OL. They are getting weaker and beaten up. The OL and the RB are at this point, also getting into a groove. They are playing well off of each other. The RBs start breaking runs because the defense has been beaten down. They are hurt and tired. We had Steelers throwing up during the game. Plus mentally, our OL and RBs "got stronger".

Another point is "blame". When the QB is passing well, the defenders think "well, it is that DB's fault". But when you run the ball, all the defenders know it is their fault.

While I agree, the run game HAS to be successful. Not every play and not 5.0/yds/carry, but it has to be good enough to warrant the D's attention. Otherwise the O is just running to achieve "balance." I'm all for running, but it will take more than a Steelers game for me to have any confidence. Sometimes the passing game opens up the run game. Yes, have as much balance between run/pass as possible, but don't target a ratio.
 
Yeah, that whole big theory only works if you can run block, which Miami has been completely unable to do until recently.
 
Additionally the Defense needs to get off the field and the Offense needs to stay on the field for such things to happen.


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Easier said than done when you're down by 15 going into the half.
 
Actually Ajayi got 10 yards the first couple of carries

Ozzy rules
 
Yes, but also pass protection, putting pressure on the QB, time of possession, and getting off the field on 3rd down lead to wins. I mean so much happened this last game that has not happened all season. Maxwell played better, the defense wasn't on the field 1/3 of the game.....the list goes on and on.
 
Actually Ajayi got 10 yards the first couple of carries

Ozzy rules

Yes, then 3 then 1 and 1 and 2 yards. My point is that we stayed with it. And we used the single back formation with an H-Back more this game then in all our others combined.

But the truth about this team and HC will come when we are down points in the 2nd half. Do we have the will we keep running the ball or will we go back to the go Shotgun/Spread every on down and wimp out. Is this a serious shift to a more balanced offense or a one week thing?
 
This type of balance can be just as much a result of the win as it is a cause. Balance comes more natural when you're not playing catchup - or in 2nd and 12 because you predictably ran for a 2 yard loss on the first freakin play of the game again. So glad they started throwing at the gate to get things moving first....Result = monster running day.
 
Yes, but also pass protection, putting pressure on the QB, time of possession, and getting off the field on 3rd down lead to wins. I mean so much happened this last game that has not happened all season. Maxwell played better, the defense wasn't on the field 1/3 of the game.....the list goes on and on.

Well, if you are doing Chicken or the Egg I'd go 100% with the Chicken (running the ball).

A lot of it is simply time management and making the other team respect balance in your attack. And that Chip Kelly run fast offense never worked. When you score "too quick" it puts pressure on your defense. In the past, defenses of great offense have complained of that. Chip Kelly's defense complained of that. If you do not even make first downs while rushing the time of the plays, you are really screwing your defense.

A "3 and out" running the 3 times ball series taking up 2 minutes is much better for the defense then a 22 second "3 and out" attempting 3 passes series. Also, running the ball helps in pass protection. Not only does it wear down the defense, but when they are busy defending, they cannot attack the passer.

Running the ball also helps the passing game. We were attacking the Steeler's LBs as much as anyone. Running the ball and throwing 8-14 yard passes over the heads of the LBs.

Another thing I liked is very few very short passes. No behind the LOS passes and only a few 3-4 yard ones.

It is will. The team with the strongest will, the toughest teams win games.
 
This type of balance can be just as much a result of the win as it is a cause. Balance comes more natural when you're not playing catchup - or in 2nd and 12 because you predictably ran for a 2 yard loss on the first freakin play of the game again. So glad they started throwing at the gate to get things moving first....Result = monster running day.

Very true.

However, we went in behind at halftime.

And our passing game was not clicking yet. I still say our running opened up our passing game. In fact, I do not believe that passing the ball helps run blocking or that passing the ball opens up the run game.
 
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