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Barry J:Cameron, Stills and Gase hope to reverse a disturbing Dolphins trend

This is true...I agree

The list of exasperating trends about the Dolphins in recent years is a long one, and here’s one of many that must change: Talented veteran offensive players coming here and producing less, often much less, than they did elsewhere.Brandon Marshall went from 10 TD catches in his final year in Denver to three in his first with Miami (2010), with all his stats dropping across-the-board. Mike Wallacewent from averaging 17.2 yards per catch in his Pittsburgh career to 12.8 in two underwhelming years here. Brandon Gibson, in two years combined with the Dolphins, didn’t match the yards or touchdowns he achieved in his final year in St. Louis.
Knowshon Moreno went from a 10-TD, 1038-yard season in Denver to blowing out his knee at the start of his Dolphins career. (He has said he would like to return to Miami, but the Dolphins aren’t interested.)
Kenny Stills went from 80 catches and 917 yards in his final year in New Orleans to 27 and 440 in his first season here (2015). “Disappointed with the way things went,” Stills said this week.
Then there’s the curious case of tight end Jordan Cameron. For a poor Browns team, Cameron caught 80 passes for 917 yards in 2013, then averaged 17.7 yards on 24 catches in 10 games in 2014. He was billed as a dynamic offensive weapon when the Dolphins signed 14 months ago, one who would easily replace Buffalo-bound Charles Clay.
Instead, Cameron was asked to block more than ever before and his stats were underwhelming last season (35 catches, 386 yards, 11.0 yards per catch, three touchdowns). His receiving yards ranked just 29thamong tight ends. Clay, meanwhile, caught 51 passes for 528 yards for Buffalo.
Backup Dion Sims said today that Adam Gase plans to involve tight ends in the passing game more than the past regime did.
“I am hoping that would be the case,” Cameron said Thursday. “If you look at his offenses in the past, they've used a tight end. He does a good job of putting them in spots to succeed. He does a good job of putting guys in position to win and finding the mismatches.”
Consider: Last season, Dolphins tight ends (Cameron, Dion Sims and Jake Stoneburner) combined for 58 receptions for 560 yards and six touchdowns. With Gase running the Bears’ offense, Chicago’s tight ends (Martellus Bennett; Zach Miller and Rob Housler) combined for 90 catches for 905 yards and eight touchdowns.
Cameron said one reason he accepted a pay cut from $7.5 million to $6 million this season, instead of balking and asking for his release, is because Gase came highly recommended by friends.
“For me, having a year with Adam Gase and knowing what he's done with tight ends, I'm looking forward to it,” he said. “I got a lot phone calls regarding coach Gase and his ability to maximize guys and their potential and get everything out of them. One of my good friends, [Jaguars and former Broncos tight end] Julius Thomas, who played for him, he called me immediately and said, ‘You've got to play for this guy.’ It was kind of like a no-brainer... I think I made the right decision.
“[Gase] is young and very vibrant. He has so much confidence in his ability to call plays. That’s kind of contagious and guys feed off that. He’s definitely a player’s coach. He gets it. He knows how to communicate with us. It’s awesome so far.”
Of the pay cut, Cameron said: “It doesn't feel good, but I didn't do much to deserve a raise; I will tell you that much.”
Gase said he wants to maximize Cameron’s skills: “I’m excited to see where we can go with him. The tight end position of this offense has been one of the strengths as far as matchup issues with safeties and linebackers.”
There are a lot of reasons for why nearly all the Dolphins’ veteran offensive additions this decade (excluding Reggie Bush) haven’t performed as well here: a poor offensive line, shaky quarterback play, questionable coaching (often lacking creativity) and in some cases not enough opportunity.
In the case of offensive linemen Tyson Clabo, Marc Colombo, Bryant McKinnie and Darren Colledge, all were well past their prime when they arrived.
Regardless, this trend must change. Extracting more from Stills and Cameron would be a start. And Gase’s track record raises optimism.


http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...rbing-dolphins-trend-marlins-um-panthers.html

 
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Look at that collection of Oline names and add bad coaching to that... Is there any wonder why it has been so bad?
 
Thought this bit was funny:

Cameron said one reason he accepted a pay cut from $7.5 million to $6 million this season, instead of balking and asking for his release, is because Gase came highly recommended by friends.

Actually, the only reason he accepted a pay cut is because $6million is still more than he would have received literally ANYWHERE else.
 
Look at that collection of Oline names and add bad coaching to that... Is there any wonder why it has been so bad?

Yep...primarily bad coaching/scheme...in some cases they had elite QB's working behind solid O-lines elseswhere.

While Miami had some good lineman, we've had holes, disruptions causing the loss of pro bowl guard Incognito(top 100 player 2015)...so our QB had all of the above to deal with while trying to develop off only 1 & 1/2 years college starting experience.

I am confident this will change...this coach knows how to use his personel...and has already plugged the O-line.
 
With so many talented players on that list, how do you NOT say it was coaching? So happy we have Gase.
 
not sure I would call it a "Dolphins trend", we see it go both ways for every team. For every Gibson and Stills, there are Hartline and Wallace
 
Ahh yes Bryant McKinnie. I remember when we needed him but didn't sign him going into the buy week, then waited till after we lost to the ravens (who had McKinnie sitting not doing ****) THEN they sign him....after the missed bye week and another loss put on the o-line. Loved the old personell decisions. Smh
 
One huge failure caused all the other failure. The failure to produce an effective offensive line destroyed season after season and cost us probably 150 million $ combined over the last 4 years on skill player upgrades that never produced results because of the offensive line failure, as well as extra money and draft picks spent on the line but did not produce results, either.
It's been a disaster, all because one area wasn't addressed well.
 
On the flip side, Gibson and Moreno haven't played since leaving Miami. Wallace and Clay both failed to get better after leaving Miami. Bush had one equal season in Detroit to the production he had in Miami. Stills may never be the receiver he was in New Orleans no matter which team he is with. These aren't exactly the best examples to use for this theory. Poor coaching factors but the bigger issue is acquiring players on the decline. Not much has changed this offseason with the front office strategy.
 
But, it was also stupid to even buy a pass-catching TE knowing that our line couldn't block anyone with only 5 guys and always needed a 6th blocker to even give our QB the time other QBs get with 5 MEN blocking for them (and can throw to their TEs because they're not blocking).
 
"Stills never be the receiver he was in New Orleans no matter which team he is with."

Why not? Was he hurt? Did he have a leg injury that robbed him of speed? Why couldn't he be just as good or better? You can say that with the other weapons we have now he won't get the opportunities, but don't blame Stills for that.

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Stills was a big reason why Tannehill had his best year of his career on deep-ball accuracy. Tannehill had many 'drop it in the bucket' throws last year and almost all of them went to Stills.
 
Ahh yes Bryant McKinnie. I remember when we needed him but didn't sign him going into the buy week, then waited till after we lost to the ravens (who had McKinnie sitting not doing ****) THEN they sign him....after the missed bye week and another loss put on the o-line. Loved the old personell decisions. Smh

This was one of the most ridiculous things Jeff Ireland did and that's saying a lot. McKinnie was by no means a savior or even that good but we needed an LT. From what surfaced it was known Martin was unreliable dating back to training camp and even if reliable he sucked ass anyway. Yet we passed on signing McKinnie to save a little money than gave something up for him later on in the year. Absolutely unacceptable!

Hickey did a much better job with Satele, again another very average player. We knew we needed a center when Pouncey got hurt at the start of 2014, watched what we had left collectively not be able to complete a snap and signed Satele. Ireland probably would have waited until we couldn't complete snaps in games before doing something.
 
This piece is riddled w manipulative BS. Gibson didn't put up impressive numbers anywhere. They fail to mention Marshall came on w a good number of TDs in his 2nd year after Chad Henne went down. Moreno got hurt - he also got hurt a lot in Denver yet they use his one season where he played a lot as the comparison point. Charles Clay's numbers in Buffalo were nothing to write home about and while a bit better than Cameron's last year, they were less than what they had been in Miami. Does that mean there's a trend of players who go to Buffalo doing worse than when they were at their prior teams? What a pile of crap this article.
 
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