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Barry Jackson: Analysis of Tannehill and Struggles of Run Game

How is it fair to compare him with Henne when Henne sat a year, if sitting for a year doesn't give any advantage then why do it at all? And Henne had Jake Long, one of the best tackles in the game at that time and a great running game with R&R Express and the wildcat.
 
I think a fairer comparison is Tannehill vs Andy Dalton, though Dalton has the benefit of one of the best WRs in the game and a few good TEs.
 
Roy...the "thanks" button is not up, but I would thank you if it was...I think you make good points.

I think the other thing that hurts RT's numbers is he has games in which he has 3 picks...they come in bunches. It is like a reliever that gives a ****load of runs in an appearance. It kills his ERA, but if you took that lone appearance out, his numbers are very good.

Plus, RT has also had desperation heaves at the end of the Saints, Pats and Bucs games. I wonder what his numbers are without it?
 
For me the biggest development need for Tannehill right now is his feet - they aren't as good as they should/could be. He's too static at times and in general doesn't do a good job climbing the pocket - he's shown glimpses yes, but he's not consistent. Working on this will help his pocket presence and help him create more time to get the ball out, bad OL or not.

This is where the weakness of his QB coaching comes through. And his QB coach is a very young and inexperienced coach at best, let alone one targeted with developing an alleged young franchise QB. To go from a GA looking after Tight Ends at TAMU to a pro level QB coach is one that still has me baffled, yes the NFL coaching fraternity and filled with nepotism and the good old boy network, but if I'm Philbin and I have my first NFL head coaching gig, I want to make sure I have the best possible coaching with the right level of experience and the two positions that is the most important is QB and OL and I think we are struggling in these areas because of it.
 
Pat-London said:
For me the biggest development need for Tannehill right now is his feet - they aren't as good as they should/could be. He's too static at times and in general doesn't do a good job climbing the pocket - he's shown glimpses yes, but he's not consistent. Working on this will help his pocket presence and help him create more time to get the ball out, bad OL or not.

This is where the weakness of his QB coaching comes through. And his QB coach is a very young and inexperienced coach at best, let alone one targeted with developing an alleged young franchise QB. To go from a GA looking after Tight Ends at TAMU to a pro level QB coach is one that still has me baffled, yes the NFL coaching fraternity and filled with nepotism and the good old boy network, but if I'm Philbin and I have my first NFL head coaching gig, I want to make sure I have the best possible coaching with the right level of experience and the two positions that is the most important is QB and OL and I think we are struggling in these areas because of it.
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This is so obvious but for some reason, they keep it status quo...
 
roy_miami said:
How is it fair to compare him with Henne when Henne sat a year, if sitting for a year doesn't give any advantage then why do it at all? And Henne had Jake Long, one of the best tackles in the game at that time and a great running game with R&R Express and the wildcat.
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I don't think it makes any sense to consider other areas of the team to be at fault for his performance when the team is playing as would be expected on the basis of Tannehill's play alone. If the team were playing more poorly than would be expected on the basis of Tannehill's play alone, then it would make sense to start looking at the other areas of the team responsible.

Tannehill is playing slightly below average, and so is the team overall. If Tannehill were playing above average, and the team overall was below average nonetheless, then it would make sense to start looking at the other areas of the team responsible for that discrepancy. But that isn't the case.
 
lumping him with christian ponder is crazy talk...and you guys want brian billick as our next hc??? he's nuts

fix the oline this kid takes off...i get the feet talk from pat london though they do need to be better he's flat footed a lot
 
hooshoops said:
lumping him with christian ponder is crazy talk...and you guys want brian billick as our next hc??? he's nuts

fix the oline this kid takes off...i get the feet talk from pat london though they do need to be better he's flat footed a lot
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Get Chad Henne "a number-one receiver" and he "takes off" as well. ;)
 
You know what is funny is Henne was "not bad" in 2009. He all of sudden hit the skids in 2010. In 2011, he had some success and got hurt. Henne is not as talented or mentally tough as RT.
 
Pat-London said:
Indeed… way too much, and this is why he is static and doesn't move around the pocket well enough .
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you and i both know that guys dont come out of the womb with terrific pocket presence very often...andrew luck is an exception...drew brees and tom brady took time...tannehill like the article said is not not stepping into his throws and letting all this contact get to him like a henne or a carr for instance did...henne every time he got even slight contact he turtled up dropped his eye level and just scurred forward...

i don't see this as being something that can't or won't improve...i just think it takes time and coaching him up...

that said i know you know this game damn well have you not noticed that alot of the wide pressure from the tackles and collapsing pockets was a result of the edge rushers walking our tackles back into the pocket around tannehill and when he does try to step up having the inside arm free to disengage and tannehill walking right into it??? in other words tackles bench pressed back into the qb if he bails the pocket backwards all the timing of the throws and offense are thrown out you and i both know he's a timing based qb in a timing based offense he tries to step up and walks into contact cause the tackles before mckinnie got here at least especially were getting bench pressed from the outside in...

and i think you would say also that on a lot of those end of game sacks short of throwing it up immediately after the snap and maybe taking contact on his throwing arm there's nothing he can do but eat it...

there's no doubt he needs to be more on his toes not bouncing cause that's what you don't want but for the athlete he is his footwork doesn't always show it...it's a coaching point of emphasis should be at least
 
Hayden Fox said:
You know what is funny is Henne was "not bad" in 2009. He all of sudden hit the skids in 2010. In 2011, he had some success and got hurt. Henne is not as talented or mentally tough as RT.
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Henne played not unlike a typical rookie QB in 2009, despite the fact that he was a second-year player. In 2010 he didn't improve, despite the fact that he'd gotten what many thought he needed to improve, "a number-one receiver" (Brandon Marshall), and despite the fact that Marshall caught 86 passes for over a thousand yards that year.
 
shouright said:
Henne played not unlike a typical rookie QB in 2009, despite the fact that he was a second-year player. In 2010 he didn't improve, despite the fact that he'd gotten what many thought he needed to improve, "a number-one receiver" (Brandon Marshall), and despite the fact that Marshall caught 86 passes for over a thousand yards that year.
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Henne had no touch or athletic ability to succeed.
 
Hayden Fox said:
Henne had no touch or athletic ability to succeed.
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Funny that few noticed that back then. :)

As for the article in the OP, bad objective measures combined with mixed authoritative opinions isn't a good sign in my opinion.
 
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