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The Beck vs. Quinn pick will be the measuring stick for football success in Miami for a number of years. For this reason there have been a number of posts comparing the two quarterbacks based on career stats, head to head matchups, performance in big games, accuracy, etc.
I have yet to see a post regarding a common opponent however. Therefore I am posting the comparisons of Beck and Quinn in their 2006 contests against the Air Force Academy. I feel this is the best comparison as it was against a common opponent running the same defense with the same players, the games occurred just one week removed from each other, both played at Air Force, both QBs were seniors in their second year under new offenses, both teams won, neither player threw the ball a lot in the 4th quarter, etc.

Here are the stats:

Notre Dame 39, Air Force 17
Brady Quinn
PASSING
CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RATING
14 19 207 73.7% 51 4 0 234.68

RUSHING
ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
4 -4 -1 5 0

3rd down efficiency: 3-7
4th down efficiency: 0-1
(ND rushed the ball 27 total times for 0 TD)


BYU 33 , Air Force 14
John Beck
PASSING
CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RATING
23 31 258 74.2% 29 3 0 176.04

RUSHING
ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
4 28 7 10 0

3rd down efficiency: 9-12
4th down efficiency: 0-0
(BYU rushed the ball 34 total times for 1 TD)


It seems to me that these guys had fairly comparable stats against their only common opponent of 2006. In fact here is what Air Force players said about the two players.

Linebacker Drew Fowler said, "I think John Beck of BYU is just as good. I put Beck right up there with him (Quinn)."

Air Force safety Bobby Giannini said, "He's (John Beck) the best I've ever played against and that goes against Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn, Cal's old quarterback (Aaron Rogers), and (former Utah quarterback) Alex Smith…He looks you off, he knows defenses and he's just an excellent quarterback."

We all know that many teams had these two rated relatively equal with some favoring one over the other. These stats are congruent with that information regardless of who you prefer. My opinion is that you get more for your money in Beck as I believe he is smarter and more accurate. I am a biased BYU (and new Miami Dolphins) fan however.
 
Rilex said:
The Beck vs. Quinn pick will be the measuring stick for football success in Miami for a number of years. For this reason there have been a number of posts comparing the two quarterbacks based on career stats, head to head matchups, performance in big games, accuracy, etc.
I have yet to see a post regarding a common opponent however. Therefore I am posting the comparisons of Beck and Quinn in their 2006 contests against the Air Force Academy. I feel this is the best comparison as it was against a common opponent running the same defense with the same players, the games occurred just one week removed from each other, both played at Air Force, both QBs were seniors in their second year under new offenses, both teams won, neither player threw the ball a lot in the 4th quarter, etc.

Here are the stats:

Notre Dame 39, Air Force 17
Brady Quinn
PASSING
CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RATING
14 19 207 73.7% 51 4 0 234.68

RUSHING
ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
4 -4 -1 5 0

3rd down efficiency: 3-7
4th down efficiency: 0-1
(ND rushed the ball 27 total times for 0 TD)


BYU 33 , Air Force 14
John Beck
PASSING
CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RATING
23 31 258 74.2% 29 3 0 176.04

RUSHING
ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
4 28 7 10 0

3rd down efficiency: 9-12
4th down efficiency: 0-0
(BYU rushed the ball 34 total times for 1 TD)


It seems to me that these guys had fairly comparable stats against their only common opponent of 2006. In fact here is what Air Force players said about the two players.

Linebacker Drew Fowler said, "I think John Beck of BYU is just as good. I put Beck right up there with him (Quinn)."

Air Force safety Bobby Giannini said, "He's (John Beck) the best I've ever played against and that goes against Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn, Cal's old quarterback (Aaron Rogers), and (former Utah quarterback) Alex Smith…He looks you off, he knows defenses and he's just an excellent quarterback."

We all know that many teams had these two rated relatively equal with some favoring one over the other. These stats are congruent with that information regardless of who you prefer. My opinion is that you get more for your money in Beck as I believe he is smarter and more accurate. I am a biased BYU (and new Miami Dolphins) fan however.
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Those endorsements by players and coaches who played against Beck are often some of the best ones you can get.
 
Good research Rilex, It's good to hear such good feedback from players who actually played against him. That's cool how they say he's better than 3 QBs who were drafted in the first round.

I must say, even if you are biased or unbiased, those stats and comments are hard to ignore.
 
So the million dollars question is who's going to have a longer n better career??????????? Quinn or Beck????????????
 
I believe Beck can be a good QB for us.

Nice analysis, if It weren't for his age(and thats practically a non issue), he would probably be a first round pick IMO.

So the million dollars question is who's going to have a longer n better career??????????? Quinn or Beck????????????
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Wait 3 years, then we'll see who's better.
 
Excellent post Rilex. Also, if you take into account BYU's arguably lesser offensive talent, it really does show Beck is a sleeper QB who would have gone higher on a more profile team/conference maybe?
 
Finally a realistic comparison. Another stat that stood out to me was BYU's 9-12 3rd down conversions. Much of that has to do with playcalling, but I was wondering if anyone could find out the run/pass ratio on that to see how Beck did. Thanks for the good post Rilex.
 
Rilex said:
The Beck vs. Quinn pick will be the measuring stick for football success in Miami for a number of years. For this reason there have been a number of posts comparing the two quarterbacks based on career stats, head to head matchups, performance in big games, accuracy, etc.
I have yet to see a post regarding a common opponent however. Therefore I am posting the comparisons of Beck and Quinn in their 2006 contests against the Air Force Academy. I feel this is the best comparison as it was against a common opponent running the same defense with the same players, the games occurred just one week removed from each other, both played at Air Force, both QBs were seniors in their second year under new offenses, both teams won, neither player threw the ball a lot in the 4th quarter, etc.

Here are the stats:

Notre Dame 39, Air Force 17
Brady Quinn
PASSING
CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RATING
14 19 207 73.7% 51 4 0 234.68

RUSHING
ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
4 -4 -1 5 0

3rd down efficiency: 3-7
4th down efficiency: 0-1
(ND rushed the ball 27 total times for 0 TD)


BYU 33 , Air Force 14
John Beck
PASSING
CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RATING
23 31 258 74.2% 29 3 0 176.04

RUSHING
ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
4 28 7 10 0

3rd down efficiency: 9-12
4th down efficiency: 0-0
(BYU rushed the ball 34 total times for 1 TD)


It seems to me that these guys had fairly comparable stats against their only common opponent of 2006. In fact here is what Air Force players said about the two players.

Linebacker Drew Fowler said, "I think John Beck of BYU is just as good. I put Beck right up there with him (Quinn)."

Air Force safety Bobby Giannini said, "He's (John Beck) the best I've ever played against and that goes against Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn, Cal's old quarterback (Aaron Rogers), and (former Utah quarterback) Alex Smith…He looks you off, he knows defenses and he's just an excellent quarterback."

We all know that many teams had these two rated relatively equal with some favoring one over the other. These stats are congruent with that information regardless of who you prefer. My opinion is that you get more for your money in Beck as I believe he is smarter and more accurate. I am a biased BYU (and new Miami Dolphins) fan however.
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While the stats look comparable, did they play the same amount of time in the games ?? I don't know, but that could skew the stats...besides, it's not important anymore...what's important now is how Beck does from here on out...I don't care about how Quinn is doing or has done...
 
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