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I was curious as to the comparisions between the two in case we took another QB w/ the # 1 pick. Very interesting and similar


Matt Ryan
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Scouts Grade: 97

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Strengths: Is tall enough to scan the entire field from within the pocket, reads defenses fairly well and generally finds the open man given enough time. Accurate, takes something off underneath passes and can lead receiver when throwing underneath. Puts good touch on downfield passes and flashes the ability to drop the ball in over coverage. Mobile enough to get outside the pocket and throws well on the run. Shows good poise, is a leader on the field and wants the ball in hands late in games. Appears to be adjusting to new offense well and can be an effective game manager.

Weaknesses: Doesn't have a cannon for an arm, doesn't put great zip on downfield passes and gets into trouble when tries to throw into tight coverage. Lacks ideal mobility, has some problems buying time in the pocket and doesn't always make sound decisions when the protection breaks down. Isn't going to make defenders miss, doesn't have great top-end speed and isn't a dangerous open field runner that can consistently pick up yards with feet. Though tough and willing to play through pain, sustained a high-ankle spring during the 2006 season opener, broke left foot during 2006 Virginia Tech game, underwent foot surgery in January and durability is a concern.



Full Name: John Dalton Beck
Born: August 21, 1981 Hayward, CA

Height: 6-2
Weight: 216 lbs.


Strengths: Displays good touch, timing and accuracy as a passer. He has a quick release and does a very good job of getting rid of the ball quickly in the underneath passing attack. He possesses adequate arm strength. Gets decent RPM's on the deep-out route. He has a very smooth and relaxed throwing motion. Keeps the ball high while dropping and shows a compact and quick delivery. He possesses adequate foot-quickness when avoiding the rush. Shows good pocket awareness and will buy many second-chance passing opportunities with his feet. He has made significant improvements in terms of his decision making skills. Mechanics continue to improve and he is showing more accuracy as a passer during his senior season. He has good intangibles, including competitiveness and toughness. Is intelligent and is able to digest things quickly. He is a high-character person and hard working football player.



Weaknesses: Lacks prototypical NFL quarterback size. Possesses below average height and decent bulk. He has had some durability issues in the past, including a concussion vs. USC in 2003. He will need to improve his bulk and strength in order to hold up physically in the NFL. Has some trouble seeing over his offensive line as a pocket passer at times, he has a bit of a low release point and has too many passes batted down. Will struggle to consistently find passing windows as a shorter quarterback in the NFL. Benefits from playing in a passer-friendly spread offensive scheme. His arm strength is adequate but his deep ball has a tendency to sail. He does not make a lot of vertical throws in his collegiate system. He gets outside the pocket and shows some mobility at his level, but he does not display the initial quickness or speed to be considered a potential threat as a runner or scrambler at the next level. Spends much of his time working out of the shotgun and he will need to adjust to taking snaps from under center and reading defensive coverage while dropping in the NFL. He shows adequate accuracy when throwing on the run but is far more effective when rolling right than he is when rolling left. He is an older prospect that will turn 25 (August 21, 1981) prior to rookie season in 2007.
 
Are you trying to say Beck is better than Ryan? There is no way to tell now. All I can say is that Beck looked pretty average so far in the NFL. Only time will tell who is better. I don't think we should draft Ryan, however.
 
the only thing we know is that we don't know

lets keep drafting QB's until we know

perhaps Flacco with #32
 
The one thing I have never liked about Beck is his height. I don't like shorter quarterbacks.

I like the prototypical 6'5" QB who is a pain to bring down. If we draft QB again, which I hope we do, we should definitely take height into account more than the past regime seems to have done with Beck.

I like Beck, but you can never have too many good QBs on a team.
 
Pretty much what Ive been saying about Beck, though the scout does it a little more elaborately. I never paid attention to him in college but it just goes to show that you can scout a QB with only 5 games of experience. The same flaws in college that I see in his pro game

Out of curiosity the scout here gave Ryan a 97 numerical rating. What was Beck's?
 
Thanks Adam. I was purely making an observation. Alos to the person who thinks beck is to small..
Steve Young
Drew Brees

Both 6 2
 
This RYAN review was done before the 2007 season.

RYAN is the number 1 overall prospect.

Doesn't have cannon arm? Please.........
 
Okay, I gots formatting issues, no this isn't same rating service as the original poster

John Beck Scouting Report


Position:QB School & Year/Status:BYU - DraftedHeight & Weight:6'2 - 212 lbs.Drafted 2.8 by MIA


2007 NFL Draft Prospect - Scouting Report
John Beck looks to be a top 10 QB, perhaps going as early as the third round, but more realistically probably fourth or even fifth round. His age (at 25) is a concern, as well as being a product of the BYU system that typically plays weaker teams. His arm strength is average, but his strengths include his accuracy and great decision-making ability, thus avoiding turnovers. He also has a pretty quick release and a good presence in the pocket. His height is average for a QB, but is shorter than the premier QBs in this year's draft (Quinn is 6'4 and Russell is 6'6). Last Updated Jan-03-2007 by Dave Thompson

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1146

Matt Ryan Scouting Report


Position:QB School & Year/Status:Boston College - SeniorHeight & Weight:6'5 - 220 lbs.Ranked #6 on our Top 100 Prospects Board



2008 NFL Draft Prospect - Scouting Report
Most teams will have Matt Ryan as the top quarterback on their board. The 6-5, 220 pound senior has the best physical tools of any quarterback in this class and even has an inch on Louisville's Brian Brohm, who most considered the top quarterback prospect heading into this college season. However, it was Ryan, not Brohm, who led his team to a successful 2007 collegiate campaign, culminating with a victory in the Champ Sports Bowl. That success has made Ryan the hot quarterback this draft.
Ryan may lack that special something that would make him a can't miss prospect, but he does have plenty of intangibles. He is a great leader and remains extremely calm under pressure. Being a quarterback in the NFL is more than just throwing the ball and Ryan is the type of guy that appears to be able to handle the pressure on and off the field.
The reason the buzz around Ryan is not all that big outside of Boston is due to his lack of a skill to hang his hat on. There are guys out there with stronger arms or better mobility, but Ryan has no weaknesses in any category and that will make him the safest quarterback to draft in June. Last Updated Jan-04-2008 by Joel Welser

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1302
 
This RYAN review was done before the 2007 season.

RYAN is the number 1 overall prospect.

Doesn't have cannon arm? Please.........

Yeah when he actually steps into a throw and is not being forced to throw off his back foot he gets some nice zip. I think his combine numbers will show that he gets good velocity
 
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