Becks upside

[i got da juice]

"Of the quarterbacks in the 2007 draft class, it seems that Beck may be most like Brady in being a student of the game and making the most out of what the defense provides. Others compare him to Mark Bulger without the height, which seems to fit the new Ravens style of crossing and intermediate routes with potential for long plays if a receiver is hit in stride. Beck seems to be moving up the boards recently. Two months ago he may have been a solid value pick during Day 2 of the draft. Now, he is considered by some as the third or fourth best QB in the draft. This then leads to the question of whether Beck merits second round billing for the team. Given media reports Kevin Kolb may be the subject of more discussion inside the team, but this could easily be a screen to deflect interest in Beck for the second round selection"
-head scout for ravens (2007)

those are some pretty high complements to beck, i no it was last season before the draft, but what has changed, he has only learned the speed of the game and has begun to put on proper weight and begun to work with the kinda coaching staff that will make him into a better football player. back in 83 (and threwout his career) the greatest aspect and characteristic of dan marinos passing attack was his quick release, the release of beck has been compared to the best. beck has all the things put in place for him to succeed baring a terible (lack of) selection of jake long. i cant wait to see what he can do for a winning team, and i sure hope that that winning team will be us.

 

[CRAZYDOLFAN305]

"Of the quarterbacks in the 2007 draft class, it seems that Beck may be most like Brady in being a student of the game and making the most out of what the defense provides. Others compare him to Mark Bulger without the height, which seems to fit the new Ravens style of crossing and intermediate routes with potential for long plays if a receiver is hit in stride. Beck seems to be moving up the boards recently. Two months ago he may have been a solid value pick during Day 2 of the draft. Now, he is considered by some as the third or fourth best QB in the draft. This then leads to the question of whether Beck merits second round billing for the team. Given media reports Kevin Kolb may be the subject of more discussion inside the team, but this could easily be a screen to deflect interest in Beck for the second round selection"
-head scout for ravens (2007)

those are some pretty high complements to beck, i no it was last season before the draft, but what has changed, he has only learned the speed of the game and has begun to put on proper weight and begun to work with the kinda coaching staff that will make him into a better football player. back in 83 (and threwout his career) the greatest aspect and characteristic of dan marinos passing attack was his quick release, the release of beck has been compared to the best. beck has all the things put in place for him to succeed baring a terible (lack of) selection of jake long. i cant wait to see what he can do for a winning team, and i sure hope that that winning team will be us.

SHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! Don't let Dlockz find out..

 

[mrodriguez4096]

I agree. Giving John the tools to be successful will give us a good indication of what we have/don't have with him. I cannot wait for this season to begin. I am hoping that Beck puts on a show so that all those who doubt will change their minds.

 

[rick32883]

"Of the quarterbacks in the 2007 draft class, it seems that Beck may be most like Brady in being a student of the game and making the most out of what the defense provides. Others compare him to Mark Bulger without the height, which seems to fit the new Ravens style of crossing and intermediate routes with potential for long plays if a receiver is hit in stride. Beck seems to be moving up the boards recently. Two months ago he may have been a solid value pick during Day 2 of the draft. Now, he is considered by some as the third or fourth best QB in the draft. This then leads to the question of whether Beck merits second round billing for the team. Given media reports Kevin Kolb may be the subject of more discussion inside the team, but this could easily be a screen to deflect interest in Beck for the second round selection"
-head scout for ravens (2007)

those are some pretty high complements to beck, i no it was last season before the draft, but what has changed, he has only learned the speed of the game and has begun to put on proper weight and begun to work with the kinda coaching staff that will make him into a better football player. back in 83 (and threwout his career) the greatest aspect and characteristic of dan marinos passing attack was his quick release, the release of beck has been compared to the best. beck has all the things put in place for him to succeed baring a terible (lack of) selection of jake long. i cant wait to see what he can do for a winning team, and i sure hope that that winning team will be us.

his real upside .. he's not named GUS, RAY, JOEY OR JAY :sidelol::sidelol:

 

[dlockz]

SHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! Don't let Dlockz find out..

Damn so I cant have an opinion. Im sure there were many sterling reports of Ryan Leaf or Charlie Frye coming out of college. I personally see Beck as an overhyped Brandon Doman. i think Beck will be a solid backup at the NFL level. He did nothing at BYU we have not seen before at Texas Tech/BYU.

 

[CRAZYDOLFAN305]

Damn so I cant have an opinion. Im sure there were many sterling reports of Ryan Leaf or Charlie Frye coming out of college. I personally see Beck as an overhyped Brandon Doman. i think Beck will be a solid backup at the NFL level. He did nothing at BYU we have not seen before at Texas Tech/BYU.

You can have an opinion, but when you make statements like an overhyped Brandon Doman you that's where I get miffed. Doman, was a fifth round pick, and didn't even sniff the field last year.

I just messing with you dog, but I just don't understand how you think Beck is going to be a career back-up.!

 

[phinphan4life]

It doesn't really surprise me that Mr. Beck is a "student of the game". Most players to come out of BYU fall into that same classification. They're generally very intelligent and have a high "football IQ". What would surprise me, (albeit pleasantly) is if Beck has the requisite physical tools and the heart to play his position at a high level. Hopefully Parcells, Ireland, Sparano et al., will give him a strong enough supporting cast to flourish.

 

[MrEd]

"Of the quarterbacks in the 2007 draft class, it seems that Beck may be most like Brady in being a student of the game and making the most out of what the defense provides. Others compare him to Mark Bulger without the height, which seems to fit the new Ravens style of crossing and intermediate routes with potential for long plays if a receiver is hit in stride. Beck seems to be moving up the boards recently. Two months ago he may have been a solid value pick during Day 2 of the draft. Now, he is considered by some as the third or fourth best QB in the draft. This then leads to the question of whether Beck merits second round billing for the team. Given media reports Kevin Kolb may be the subject of more discussion inside the team, but this could easily be a screen to deflect interest in Beck for the second round selection"
-head scout for ravens (2007)

those are some pretty high complements to beck, i no it was last season before the draft, but what has changed, he has only learned the speed of the game and has begun to put on proper weight and begun to work with the kinda coaching staff that will make him into a better football player. back in 83 (and threwout his career) the greatest aspect and characteristic of dan marinos passing attack was his quick release, the release of beck has been compared to the best. beck has all the things put in place for him to succeed baring a terible (lack of) selection of jake long. i cant wait to see what he can do for a winning team, and i sure hope that that winning team will be us.

looking at john beck's play last season and in college, i've noticed that his upside is not that high. as a matter of fact, he has "no" upside at all....just some mediocre skills and measureables. so really john beck is just an average QB prospect.

think about it...

he lacks size, so that's no upside as far as his physique.

he lacks a big time are, so that's no upside as far as those measureables are concerned either.

he's not a fast athlete, so he lacks in that department as well.

he has supposedly a fairly quick release, albeit has a low unorthodox throwing motion, something that vince young has been criticized about.

but supposedly has average to good vision.

so that's not a high ceiling at all as far as upside is concerned.

he was a QB that was rated as a 2nd round pick in a draft class where he was rated "behind" B Quinn and was drafted "after" Kevin Kolb.

if he were in this draft, he would probably be projected more like a 3rd rounder because of Ryan, Brohm, Flacco, and Henne all being 1st or 2nd round prospects and all having more UPside and better measureables....and in Ryan's case better "intangibles" as well.

so really, MIA "must" pick a QB somewhere in the 1st 2 rounds....because beck shows no more than a ceiling of that to McCowns.

people need to be real, now. stop thinking with your emotions and think with your intellect.

 

[IceStorm]

he lacks size, so that's no upside as far as his physique.
he lacks a big time are, so that's no upside as far as those measureables are concerned either.
he's not a fast athlete, so he lacks in that department as well.
he has supposedly a fairly quick release, albeit has a low unorthodox throwing motion, something that vince young has been criticized about.
but supposedly has average to good vision.
so that's not a high ceiling at all as far as upside is concerned.
he was a QB that was rated as a 2nd round pick in a draft class where he was rated "behind" B Quinn and was drafted "after" Kevin Kolb.

To a point I agree that I didn't see Beck as a 2nd round pick. But then again I have to disagree with your assessments on him.
Not big? Neither is Brady
Not fast? I don't remember how fast Marino ran
Big arm? Agree...but not every superbowl winning QB does have one. Dilfer?
Weird throw? Its said that David Lee is fixing that to become a more standard NFL release.
Vision? Hard to have vision in the nfl with 11 defensive players chasing you down because your line is like swiss cheese. But with experience I think that will improve.
Remember Steve Young? He's in the HOF and he wasn't fast, nor did he have a cannon, and his first 3 complete games were tragic at best.
Point being, I do understand what you're saying. But I also know that any rookie QB won't be good or learn a thing when its "Hike...dirt, hike..run...dirt, hike..run...run..throw...dirt"
How would you be with a coaching staff that we had last year, a line that we didn't have last year, and receivers that were vapor?
We went 1-15 but I cant put any blame on him.

 

[NorFlaFin]

Remember Steve Young? He's in the HOF and he wasn't fast, nor did he have a cannon, and his first 3 complete games were tragic at best.
Point being, I do understand what you're saying. But I also know that any rookie QB won't be good or learn a thing when its "Hike...dirt, hike..run...dirt, hike..run...run..throw...dirt"
How would you be with a coaching staff that we had last year, a line that we didn't have last year, and receivers that were vapor?
We went 1-15 but I cant put any blame on him.

I do, Steve Young held many QB records both BYU and NCAA(pass efficiency I thought)

Slow? No he wasn't..
http://www.collegefootball.org/famersearch.php?id=80046
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Young_(American_football)

Comparing John Beck to Steve is an incredible disservice to both men.

 

[Marino420TD]

To a point I agree that I didn't see Beck as a 2nd round pick. But then again I have to disagree with your assessments on him.
Not big? Neither is Brady
Not fast? I don't remember how fast Marino ran
Big arm? Agree...but not every superbowl winning QB does have one. Dilfer?
Weird throw? Its said that David Lee is fixing that to become a more standard NFL release.
Vision? Hard to have vision in the nfl with 11 defensive players chasing you down because your line is like swiss cheese. But with experience I think that will improve.
Remember Steve Young? He's in the HOF and he wasn't fast, nor did he have a cannon, and his first 3 complete games were tragic at best.
Point being, I do understand what you're saying. But I also know that any rookie QB won't be good or learn a thing when its "Hike...dirt, hike..run...dirt, hike..run...run..throw...dirt"
How would you be with a coaching staff that we had last year, a line that we didn't have last year, and receivers that were vapor?
We went 1-15 but I cant put any blame on him.

Your points are well taken, but I think you need better examples. Brady is big (6'4") and Steve Young was one of the best running QBs ever.

 

[SpaceMountain16]

looking at john beck's play last season and in college, i've noticed that his upside is not that high. as a matter of fact, he has "no" upside at all....just some mediocre skills and measureables. so really john beck is just an average QB prospect.

think about it...

he lacks size, so that's no upside as far as his physique.

he lacks a big time are, so that's no upside as far as those measureables are concerned either.

he's not a fast athlete, so he lacks in that department as well.

he has supposedly a fairly quick release, albeit has a low unorthodox throwing motion, something that vince young has been criticized about.

but supposedly has average to good vision.

so that's not a high ceiling at all as far as upside is concerned.

he was a QB that was rated as a 2nd round pick in a draft class where he was rated "behind" B Quinn and was drafted "after" Kevin Kolb.

if he were in this draft, he would probably be projected more like a 3rd rounder because of Ryan, Brohm, Flacco, and Henne all being 1st or 2nd round prospects and all having more UPside and better measureables....and in Ryan's case better "intangibles" as well.

so really, MIA "must" pick a QB somewhere in the 1st 2 rounds....because beck shows no more than a ceiling of that to McCowns.

people need to be real, now. stop thinking with your emotions and think with your intellect.

I'm glad you've noticed that

You being a scout and all.

 

[IceStorm]

What I'm saying is that while we can sit here and berate Beck, we do so because its easy. To look at his performance last year and base any opinion is rather ill informed. Take his performance. Then imagine how it would be different, if any, if our oline was the best in teh league. Would there be a difference? If he's that bad, then nothing would change. But I think he would of been better.

As for Steve Young, please don't change the recognition. I mentioned nothing about his performance in college. If you'd like, go look at how bad he was in Los Angeles and also look at how his initiation into the NFL was poor. I used him to prove that all QB can play poorly upon entering the NFL, and how they can improve dramatically.
Young, Brady, etc. are good examples for specific points.
Thanks guys.

 

[IceStorm]

P.S. I'm not a Beck fan or a Ginn fan or a Brown fan or any player...

I'm a fan of the Miami Dolphins, the players names change yearly, they come and go. Beck might be one of them, he might not.

 

[Fin-Fan-13]

I have a different view. Some will agree with my viewpoint and others won't.

he lacks size, so that's no upside as far as his physique.

Being 6'2"+ and around 220lbs hasn't hurt the career of a lot of current and past QBs.

he lacks a big time are, so that's no upside as far as those measureables are concerned either.

I assume you mean "arm". Beck had the 2nd strongest arm as tested at the combine last year. Does McNabb have a strong arm? Here is a quote from an Eagles TE regarding Beck.

He has a rocket for an arm. I have caught bullets from Donovan McNabb for years and John has a similar howitzer attatched to his shoulder.
Chad Lewis, NFL All-Pro Tight End (Philadelphia Eagles)

he's not a fast athlete, so he lacks in that department as well.

He isn't as fast as Vick but he is faster than Brady. Speed isn't necessarily a huge issue at the QB position. However, Beck does have decent speed. IIRC, Beck out ran the D to the pylon for a 2 point conversion last preseason.

he has supposedly a fairly quick release, albeit has a low unorthodox throwing motion, something that vince young has been criticized about.

David Lee, Miami's QB coach, was able to refine Romo's release. Beck is reported to be a very hard worker so it is reasonable to assume that his release point can be fixed. If it can't be, it won't be due to a lack of effort on Beck's part.

One thing Beck showed in college was the ability to throw the ball accurately from any arm position--over the top, side arm, two handed shuttle pass. I believe Phil Simms complemented Beck for that ability. Basically, Phil stated that in the NFL a QB won't be able to step into each throw and have a perfect release point. Phil liked when a QB shows the ability to accurately throw off his back foot, throw on the run and have multiple release points.

I recall reading articles where opposing college coaches were lamenting the fact that Beck was so difficult to sack. The coaches stated Beck made quick reads and had a quick release. Beck has a very compact and quick throwing motion.

if he were in this draft, he would probably be projected more like a 3rd rounder because of Ryan, Brohm, Flacco, and Henne all being 1st or 2nd round prospects and all having more UPside and better measureables....and in Ryan's case better "intangibles" as well.

Define intangibles? Does it mean the ability to win big games? Perform under pressure? Make clutch throws?

Whatever you define as intangibles, I bet most QBs could fit the definition and Beck would also. Beck played well in clutch games, brought his team from behind, won big games and was a leader.

Rumors out of Miami are that coaches are more impressed with Beck than his on field play showed. Maybe they believe he has all the tools to be a good QB once they put a team around him.

so really, MIA "must" pick a QB somewhere in the 1st 2 rounds....because beck shows no more than a ceiling of that to McCowns.

Miami needs starters at many positions. If Miami needs a QB in the first 2 rounds, why don't they just draft Ryan? He is reportedly the best QB in this draft. If Miami has such a glaring whole at QB, shouldn't they just pick the best QB.

I believe the coaches have enough faith in Beck to fill other needs in the first few rounds. Miami needs starters at key positions and the first 3 picks all need to be strong contributors come opening day.

Miami will pick up a QB sometime on draft day. IMO, it won't be till the second day or after the draft. It really wouldn't surprise me if Miami doesn't wait till after the 3rd round to pick up a QB.

Most people are judging the rookie QB based his play last year. He didn't play well and most rookies don't. However, the entire team didn't play well. Miami wasn't 1-15 just because of one player. We all are aware that Beck was the scout squad QB and only took 1st team reps shortly before he was asked to start. Even after Green went down, Beck was running the scout squad because Miami didn't want to pick up another QB. Beck was 2nd string but wasn't being prepped to play in games. :err: Not very smart.

It was Miami's goal to sit and groom Beck all last year. We all know things didn't go as planned.

I guess I just see more upside in Beck than you do. Maybe you are letting your negative emotions cloud your judgement.