Berlin vs. Feeley

[popularwar]

Are you kidding!?
First of all, as a Hurricanes fan let me state that UM runs one of the best football programs in the country. We have what some consider a "pro system" and have been a top 25 team for the last few years, competing (and unfairly losing) a national title just three years ago.
Look at the talent around the two! Berlin benefits from one of the best offensive lines in college football, not to mention he's in a program that produces running backs (a QB's best friend) and tight ends (his best friend in the red zone) like a conveyor belt. Berlin had Roscoe Parrish in his senior year, not the second coming of Rice but a solid and productive receiver. Name one receiver on Feeley's Oregon team, and just for fun tell us how well he did in the pros.

 

[FinaticPatch]

i think feeley was hurting, he injured his elbow, this also let his draft stock slip

And our D slipping didnt hurt Berlins chances of being a mid rounder.
P.S he started splitting time near the end of the season and the coaching staff opted to go with Harrington for the last couple games, had nothing to do with an injury.

 

[popularwar]

Furthermore, comparing Feeley's stats from like four or five years ago to Berlin's is ridiculous. You act like he hasn't improved drastically since college, when he HAD to or else he wouldn't be in the NFL. If you want to compare stats, why don't we dig up Ryan Leaf's college stats and compare them to Feeley?

 

[DiepatriotsDie]

You obviously started this thread to cause trouble. Berlin is definitely nothing special. AJ may not be either, but we've already invested time in him, so we should probably ride it out. No more giving longshots chances after this.

 

[FinaticPatch]

Are you kidding!?
First of all, as a Hurricanes fan let me state that UM runs one of the best football programs in the country. We have what some consider a "pro system" and have been a top 25 team for the last few years, competing (and unfairly losing) a national title just three years ago.
Look at the talent around the two! Berlin benefits from one of the best offensive lines in college football, not to mention he's in a program that produces running backs (a QB's best friend) and tight ends (his best friend in the red zone) like a conveyor belt. Berlin had Roscoe Parrish in his senior year, not the second coming of Rice but a solid and productive receiver. Name one receiver on Feeley's Oregon team, and just for fun tell us how well he did in the pros.

Ill name two for you , Jason Willis and Samie Parker, neither have has much sucess in the NFL but you have to look at who they went up against in college. They werent covered by Pac Man Jones type CB's week in and week out. It is all about level of competition and OU doesnt play in the ACC in case you didnt know.

 

[rafael]

While I've never been accused of saying AJ is great, I do think he is better than Berlin. Watching their play my assessment is that AJ is a backup and Berlin might be good enough to eventually be a backup. So, yes you are correct in saying that none of us should be claiming that AJ is great.

As for the stat comparisons, it should be understood that Berlin played on much better teams which would give Berlin an advantage.

 

[FinaticPatch]

You obviously started this thread to cause trouble. Berlin is definitely nothing special. AJ may not be either, but we've already invested time in him, so we should probably ride it out. No more giving longshots chances after this.

Just trying to give prespective, I have not once thought Berlin would start and there is a good shot that he will proably be cut, just think people need to get off of feeleys jock. A man that is at last as qualified out of college is being written of as a nothing, yet Feeley with no better a past is the Savior. Saw a thread a few days back, Feeley the next Marino? Alot of people are having dillusions that he is actually going to be a great pro bowler. He has yet to be very succesful even at the college level what makes people think he will all the sudden do it at the highest level of competition he will face in the NFL. Im not sure.

 

[arsenal]

And our D slipping didnt hurt Berlins chances of being a mid rounder.
P.S he started splitting time near the end of the season and the coaching staff opted to go with Harrington for the last couple games, had nothing to do with an injury.

actually feeley started off his second year as the starter after akili smith left, played great his first few games, then hurt his elbow and started playing bad, so they brought in harrington while feeley healed and basically harrington went nuts and the team kept him in the starting lineup since he was playing so well...

the fact that feeley even went to the combines and was drafted after only starting like 5 games as a healthy college QB is crazy and should show the potential...

 

[FinaticPatch]

While I've never been accused of saying AJ is great, I do think he is better than Berlin. Watching their play my assessment is that AJ is a backup and Berlin might be good enough to eventually be a backup. So, yes you are correct in saying that none of us should be claiming that AJ is great.

As for the stat comparisons, it should be understood that Berlin played on much better teams which would give Berlin an advantage.

Rothlieberger had better stats than both for Miami of Ohio, does that mean he is the next Peyton Manning? Hey Richie Williams for my Appalachian State Mountaineers had better number than Peyton did in college, but he plays at the division 1-AA level so I can expect him to have more success not passing against ACC CB's. I guess people dont understand LEVEL OF COMPETITION around here.

 

[FinaticPatch]

actually feeley started off his second year as the starter after akili smith left, played great his first few games, then hurt his elbow and started playing bad, so they brought in harrington while feeley healed and basically harrington went nuts and the team kept him in the starting lineup since he was playing so well...

the fact that feeley even went to the combines and was drafted after only starting like 5 games as a healthy college QB is crazy and should show the potential...

But that is all he has been is unfullfilled potential. I remeber a guy named Ryan Leaf that fit that bill to a T.

 

[arsenal]

But that is all he has been is unfullfilled potential. I remeber a guy named Ryan Leaf that fit that bill to a T.

im not saying anything towards the arguement in the thread... all i was doing was correcting you when you said him being supplanted as starter had nothing to do with injury...

 

[inFINSible]

While I've never been accused of saying AJ is great, I do think he is better than Berlin. Watching their play my assessment is that AJ is a backup and Berlin might be good enough to eventually be a backup. So, yes you are correct in saying that none of us should be claiming that AJ is great.

As for the stat comparisons, it should be understood that Berlin played on much better teams which would give Berlin an advantage.

Something else about those stats I think half or over half of those INTs came in the last game he played, after which, he was diagnosed with the elbow injury.

I may be wrong but, I pretty sure that I read that before.....:hmmm:

 

[GreenMonster]

Great College QB's do not translate to the NFL directly... See Danny Wuerawful, Andre Ware, Cliff Kingsbury. In the NFL you need many more skills to succeed than in college. Brock Berlin couldn't hack it at Florida, was OK for a great UM team, and not one of the 32 GM's wasted a pick on this Diamond in the Rough.

 

[arsenal]

Something else about those stats I think half or over half of those INTs came in the last game he played, after which, he was diagnosed with the elbow injury.

I may be wrong but, I pretty sure that I read that before.....:hmmm:

haha funny you said that... i was doing some research on that here just cause its a lazy friday at work and heres what happened...

feeleys first 5 games (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/stats/1999/players/13550/index.html)

27-49 343 yds 2 Tds 1 Int
12-24 176 yds 3 tds 0 int
12-17 224 yds 2 tds 0 int
23-39 275 yds 3 tds 0 int
24-34 371 yds 1 tds 0 int

then his next game was at UCLA, heres a part of the recap from that game in which he got hurt... http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/db/issues/99/10.11/sports.oregon.html

Feeley, before UCLA linebacker Marcus Reese picked of a pass near the end of the second quarter, had 12 touchdowns vs. only one interception. He had not thrown an interception in 130 attempts.



UCLA might have been lucky not to knock Feeley out of the game with the hard sack by Hall. The Bruins are 3-0 against starting quarterbacks (Boise State's Bart Hendricks, Fresno State's Billy Volek and Oregon's Feeley), but 0-3 against backups (Ohio State's Steve Bellisari, Stanford's Joe Borchard and Arizona State's Curtis Goodwin).

The very next play from scrimmage was Reese's interception, and four plays after that, Farmer scored his first touchdown. UCLA went from being down 10-3 with 3:05 left in the second quarter to holding a 20-10 halftime lead.

thats the play he injured his elbom... so that game and on his stats were

20-47 313 yds 2 tds 2 int
7-23 95yds 1 td 1 int
9-25 134 yds 0 tds 1 int

then harrington took over... kinda crazy how good he was doing before the injury...

 

[LOCAL SCUM!]

Berlin got a bad wrap coming out and an unfair one at that.

Feeleys one year starting in college

149 of 282 a 53% completion rate with 15 tds and 6 ints.

Berlin's senior year

195 of 342 a 57% completion rate with 22 td's and 6 ints.


Without most of us being fans of school in college and having no preconcieved notions about either player, I would say most would go the berlin route especially since he has the stronger arm not just the better stats.

THose stats are decieving, though. Besides all that "different system" mumbo-jumbo, the CANES are a force to be reckoned with EVERY YEAR. Alot of Brock's wins and stats are due to the bad @$$ team the Canes always have. Check with Ken Dorsey. (although Dorsey was better than Berlin)