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Jeff Ireland is getting paid millions. I was looking at nfl.com draft tracker and I thought it would be interesting to see who we could have drafted based firstly by identifying need, then taking the highest grade available. Only done first 3 rounds

2012 needs - WR, OLINE, DE & QB


With Sherman and need for QB, Ryan Tannehill was obvious first choice, thereafter I have followed above:-


1-Ryan Tannehill - QB
2-Jonathan Martin - OT
3-Bobbie Massey - OT
3-Brandon Brooks -OG

2013

needs - Offense


1-Cordarrelle Patterson - WR
2-Larry Warford - OG
2-Keenan Allen - WR
3-Dallas Thomas - OT/OG
3-Jordan Reed - TE

i know there's a lot of O'lineman and understandably needs would have changed, but this is just a simple process and look at the talent we have missed out on. Ireland getting paid millions for IMO overthinking and not taking the obvious option.
 
The talent that was there for us to draft, yet Jeff didn't. Ross, will you PLEASE can his ass now?!!!!!
 
Nothing will ever excuse Ireland for drafting John Jerry over Jimmy Graham 3 years ago. Nothing.

Other moves that hurt in hindsight:
Trading back for Michael Egnew while Russell Wilson was on the board.
Drafting Michael Egnew over TY Hilton.
Daniel Thomas over Justin Houston.
Jonathan Martin over Stephen Hill.

Well, i could keep going, but those are the most damning off the top of my head.

Value matters. And we never seem to get any.
 
Just the last 2 drafts lol?

If I was late round draft prospect I'd be licking my chops to get drafted by Ireland. He's shown over and over again that if you can somehow stick on the team for a couple years and heck even start a few games, he'll give you millions.
 
Stop turning the ball over and getting more turnovers on D and specials and the record will turn around.
 
It is very easy to say "He should of drafted this player over that player" after the success they had after being picked. It is not as easy to draft players. I remember perfectly fine most of Finheaven wanted Matt Barkley if he declared. So.... how is that working for you guys? Come on now I will not be playing this game. I bet if we look at other GM around the league or other team forums they will be saying the same thing. I bet KC and Jacksonville are saying " We should of drafted Jordan or blah,blah, over the Tackle"
 
Dthrill_08 said:
It is very easy to say "He should of drafted this player over that player" after the success they had after being picked. It is not as easy to draft players. I remember perfectly fine most of Finheaven wanted Matt Barkley if he declared. So.... how is that working for you guys? Come on now I will not be playing this game. I bet if we look at other GM around the league or other team forums they will be saying the same thing. I bet KC and Jacksonville are saying " We should of drafted Jordan or blah,blah, over the Tackle"
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1) Amazing how you dont understand that Ireland is paid millions of dollars to make accurate projections about players, those on this forum are not. Hilariously, many on this forum have been shown more accuracy then our GM. Yet those are the ones worthy of mockery, while Ireland is deserving of defense. That "logic" always amuses me.

2) If your suggesting Matt Barkley is a bust due to his 7 games of experience, then i point you to our current draft class. Note how many players arent even taking the field?

3) When other GM's screw the pooch, they get fired. You mentioned Jacksonville and Kansas City, you did notice how they had new GM's this offseason, right? Ireland thus far is relatively unique in his ability have consistently screw up, keep losing, and stay employed.
 
Spesh said:
1) Amazing how you dont understand that Ireland is paid millions of dollars to make accurate projections about players, those on this forum are not. Hilariously, many on this forum have been shown more accuracy then our GM. Yet those are the ones worthy of mockery, while Ireland is deserving of defense. That "logic" always amuses me.

2) When other GM's screw the pooch, they get fired. You mentioned Jacksonville and Kansas City, you did notice how they had new GM's this offseason, right? Ireland thus far is relatively unique in his ability have consistently screw up, keep losing, and stay employed.
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How about the GM from the Colts? People praise him yet he stupidly traded a 1st for Trent Richardson lol. He needs to be run out of town. My point was there are many GM that draft and make mistakes that are still in the league. It is not always drafting great players if you don't have the right staff to coach them they will fail. How many sure picks have failed in the past. Cam Newton had bust all over him according to most so called "Experts" but the Panthers coached to his strengths

Egnew had all the athleticism and showed a lot of promise. According to reports that was a Philbin pick.
Johnathan Martin was a safe pick according to most. He was one of the higher rated LT and projected by some boards to go in the late 1st. We needed O-line help bad so Ireland drafted the best LT at the time with a 2nd. People were calling for Ertz or Eiffert , even Fleener which tbh I prefer Clay and Keller over them. But because Eiffert has not had a season like most expected or similar to Gronk,Graham no one makes a big deal about it. I read most topics everyone wanted Eiffert with our 1st round pick.
 
Dthrill_08 said:
How about the GM from the Colts? People praise him yet he stupidly traded a 1st for Trent Richardson lol. He needs to be run out of town. My point was there are many GM that draft and make mistakes that are still in the league. It is not always drafting great players if you don't have the right staff to coach them they will fail. How many sure picks have failed in the past. Cam Newton had bust all over him according to most so called "Experts" but the Panthers coached to his strengths
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You mean the Colts that just made the playoffs? The Colts that have twice as many wins as they do losses?

Yeah, getting the dude that built that team would suck.

:sidelol: @ the "Trent Richardson sucks!" thing. Do tell, if Richardson is such a terrible player, whats your opinion on Daniel Thomas?

Amazing how Ireland's draft picks never seem to work out no matter what the coaching staff is. We've changed head coaches, we've changed offensive coordinators 4 times, we've changed various position coaches i dont even know how many times, and those players hes released are either depth signings for teams filling out their rosters or totally out of the league because other coaches wont touch them. Such horrific luck for Ireland. All those players just never get the right coaching.

You know, except for Vontae Davis, who's been arguable the second best player on a top notch defense. Say, what team does he play for again? And what GM set up the trade to get him?

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1) Nothing happens on this team without Ireland consent. If Philbin(who has absolutely no training in the scouting department) wanted a bad player its Ireland's job to tell him to shut up. And Egnew has already fallen down the depth chart.

2) Again, its Ireland's job to know more then "most", he gets paid millions of dollars to know more then "most". I stand amazed at how that still hasnt sunk in. :lol:
 
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Trading up for Daniel Thomas while Ryan Mallett is sitting right there.
 
People don't seem to realize the value in trading a player for a draft voucher. Think about it in reverse, you give us your 2012 second round pick and we'll give you Vontae Davis in 2013. It looks pretty stupid that way right?

Add to that Vontae was a good player that was hitting his prime and was relatively inexpensive. So we dump him and his $1.2 million salary and bring in Patterson and Richard Marshall at $10 million as a short term replacement while we wait for his long term replacement to learn the ropes 3 years later. GENIUS!!
 
Spesh said:
You mean the Colts that just made the playoffs? The Colts that have twice as many wins as they do losses?

Yeah, getting the dude that built that team would suck.

:sidelol: @ the "Trent Richardson sucks!" thing. Do tell, if Richardson is such a terrible player, whats your opinion on Daniel Thomas?



Amazing how Ireland's draft picks never seem to work out no matter what the coaching staff is. We've changed head coaches, we've changed offensive coordinators 4 times, we've changed various position coaches i dont even know how many times, and those players hes released are either depth signings for teams filling out their rosters or totally out of the league because other coaches wont touch them. Such horrific luck for Ireland. All those players just never get the right coaching.

You know, except for Vontae Davis, who's been arguable the second best player on a top notch defense. Say, what team does he play for again? And what GM set up the trade to get him?

edit: addressing the points you edited it:
1) Nothing happens on this team without Ireland consent. If Philbin(who has absolutely no training in the scouting department) wanted a bad player its Ireland's job to tell him to shut up. And Egnew has already fallen down the depth chart.

2) Again, its Ireland's job to know more then "most", he gets paid millions of dollars to know more then "most". I stand amazed at how that still hasnt sunk in. :lol:
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Trent Richardson was not worth a 1st when the Browns drafted him (atleast not a high 1st) and was not worth one when the Colts traded for him. Oh please Ryan Grigson had a no brainer pick at #1 in Luck. They did so well last year because of many lucky plays. That team had alot of talent already in it when he took over.

Yes they are 5-2 this year but the only real impressive win was the Broncos and maybe the Seahawks. They barely beat the Raiders, Luck had a bad game against the 49ers and still won. They also played the Jacksonville Jaguars. Their schedule is easier than ours so far. If we made some good playcalling towards the end of the Ravens and Bills game and didn't have those BS calls against the Pats we will be sitting at 6-1 and we will not be having this discussion.

Trent Richardson Career and Daniel Thomas are very similar but the difference is we did not draft Daniel Thomas in the early first and then again gave a 1st round pick.
 
I love these "let's look backwards at the players we know are good now" threads. Bravo.
 
I posted this opinion on Ireland on another site:

Like many other GMs, Ireland does on occasion bring in or draft some good players, but he appears to be a bit below average in that category. The problem is that he seems to be too focused on "perceived value" and "bang for the buck" of a FA or draft pick. Now, this is all well and good to be looking for a bargain, but he gets too carried away with this process. There comes a time when you really need to add on-the-field talent to your team to improve. Signing Wallace for $60 Million is an example of this (although in hindsight it may or may not be a good decision). Examples of his "bargain-basement shopping" would be Louis, Clabo, and Watkins on o-line, and let's not forget all of the WRs that came and went last season.

In the draft, Ireland tries to be a shrewd manipulator, often trading out of the middle of one round only to trade back up to the bottom of that round. While this may work for a team who needs a few extra picks in the late rounds to add 2nd and 3rd stringers, it does nothing for a team that really needs playmakers who can contribute on the field quickly. I remember reading that in the 2013 draft Ireland had one of the highest scores if you go by points assigned to picks. I'll bet he felt thrilled to come out of the draft looking smart.

But, how did he really do? O-line was a concern heading into the draft, and he only picked up Dallas Thomas who is nothing more than a project. (In Ireland's defense, he was probably told by the coaching staff that they could work with the linemen already on the roster.) He traded up for Jordan, who was injured and really needs to get bigger/stronger. Jordan isn't a normal "project" player, but will eventually contribute... the key word is "eventually", not RIGHT NOW which should be expected when you trade up to the #3 spot. Taylor and Davis also had issues, and are for the "future". With the exception of Sturgis, Ireland did nothing in the draft for RIGHT NOW, which is especially important now that Brady and the Pats are on a downslide. This is the season to overtake them, but it would have been easier with high draft picks that could actually get on the field.

Another criticism I have of Ireland is that he seems to favor picking "potential" talent at a later spot than going after "proven" talent at an earlier pick. This is what you should do when you're adding back-ups who hopefully will become eventual starters. When your team needs quality players because your starters aren't very good, then you need to look for the best at their position in order to rebuild your team. He worries too much about "value" and not enough about on-the-field talent. Martin was perceived to be a good pick because of where he went, so Ireland took him. But, wasn't he one of the weakest linemen? Not very smart. Ireland spends too much effort on finding acorns at a great bargain, and not enough effort on actually bringing in top talent.
 
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