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... And why it makes sense.

The actual model for getting to perennial SB contender is pretty straight forward, draft well in order to get impact players on cheap contracts, use FA to fix from bottom up and reap rewards. Its that ****ing simple. The Rams, Bucs, Saints, Denver(Peyton Manning splash) examples getting thrown around right now dont really fit with whats going on with the Fins. These teams had built a pretty decent core through the draft before going all in in FA, the timing in which you employ that strategy is crucial, its actually the difference between the Bucs winning a SB and the Ireland "picks and money" episode.

Having a lot of cap space doesnt mean that you have to go all in on top talent just as much as having a big stack in poker means you should go all-in with 7-2. You really have to ask your self if the Fins going after the top 5 players, position of your choice, makes the Fins a SB contender... Because if the answer to that question is no, then what they're doing now is flat out optimal by the book FA strategy. Trying to win FA too soon can set you back 5+ years, and you guys should get that by now I'd assume. You build your ceiling with the draft and you raise your floor with FA. Once your at the final table, then you do whatever the **** it takes. We aint there yet. Live to see another hand.

I think in a way, the NFL offseason is setup to make it hard to really grasp the strategy of team building. It leads people to believe that there's some kind of order where you want to sign players that will enable you to draft in a certain way, when in fact, they are 2 completely different animals, independent from each other. If team strategy was at the forefront of the setup, the draft would absolutely be before free agency, no question! Obviously the NFLPA wants their vets to get paid first, and that makes sense. But that alone would change the perspective on how you should really use FA, swing for the fences in the draft knowing you can always adjust later in FA. Most people dont get that.

Now Im not saying the Fins are doing all great things and that you should shut the **** up and take it where the sun dont shine. What Im saying is you're barking up the wrong tree if this FA period is pissing you off. They're nailing the FA period... What really pisses you off is Grier getting an inordinate amount of draft picks and seemingly missing on alot of them. 7 OL draft picks in recent drafts and fielding the worst OL in football(yes football, not NFL, football worldwide) is simply unacceptable, period. Now they've taken steps to really adress this problem with coaching, is it going to work? Who the **** knows...

Guess what Im trying to say here is if Grier cant build a high ceiling on this bitch through the draft, going all-in on big contracts is only going to set you back even longer with nothing to show for it in the end. He doesnt necessarily have a good track record but his last draft was really nice, its a start.
 
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Draft is the way, I’m glad this team finally realized after years of trading away picks because “we were close”
what I hated more was bringing in free agents for their last big paydays cough*Mario Williamscough*. These slugs never work out and only cashing in before their ride into the sunset

Free agency is to tie up those loose ends and get the role players who fit system. Maybe if you score the big money player coming off his first contract then maybe, but the rancid overspending for spent players has become a huge detriment for this organization. I don’t mind spending the cash to keep our own
 
... And why it makes sense.

The actual model for getting to perennial SB contender is pretty straight forward, draft well in order to get impact players on cheap contracts, use FA to fix from bottom up and reap rewards. Its that ****ing simple. The Rams, Bucs, Saints, Denver(Peyton Manning splash) examples getting thrown around right now dont really fit with whats going on with the Fins. These teams had built a pretty decent core through the draft before going all in in FA, the timing in which you employ that strategy is crucial, its actually the difference between the Bucs winning a SB and the Ireland "picks and money" episode.

Having a lot of cap space doesnt mean that you have to go all in on top talent just as much as having a big stack in poker means you should go all-in with 7-2. You really have to ask your self if the Fins going after the top 5 players, position of your choice, makes the Fins a SB contender... Because if the answer to that question is no, then what they're doing now is flat out optimal by the book FA strategy. Trying to win FA too soon can set you back 5+ years, and you guys should get that by now I'd assume. You build your ceiling with the draft and you raise your floor with FA. Once your at the final table, then you do whatever the **** it takes. We aint there yet. Live to see another hand.

I think in a way, the NFL offseason is setup to make it hard to really grasp the strategy of team building. It leads people to believe that there's some kind of order where you want to sign players that will enable you to draft in a certain way, when in fact, they are 2 completely different animals, independent from each other. If team strategy was at the forefront of the setup, the draft would absolutely be before free agency, no question! Obviously the NFLPA wants their vets to get paid first, and that makes sense. But that alone would change the perspective on how you should really use FA, swing for the fences in the draft knowing you can always adjust later in FA. Most people dont get that.

Now Im not saying the Fins are doing all great things and that you should shut the **** up and take it where the sun dont shine. What Im saying is you're barking up the wrong tree if this FA period is pissing you off. They're nailing the FA period... What really pisses you off is Grier getting an inordinate amount of draft picks and seemingly missing on alot of them. 7 OL draft picks in recent drafts and fielding the worst OL in football(yes football, not NFL, football worldwide) is simply unacceptable, period. Now they've taken steps to really adress this problem with coaching, is it going to work? Who the **** knows...

Guess what Im trying to say here is if Grier cant build a high ceiling on this bitch through the draft, going all-in on big contracts is only going to set you back even longer with nothing to show for it in the end. He doesnt necessarily have a good track record but his last draft was really nice, its a start.
We’ll see said the Zen Master…..We’ll see
 
Draft is the way, I’m glad this team finally realized after years of trading away picks because “we were close”
what I hated more was bringing in free agents for their last big paydays cough*Mario Williamscough*. These slugs never work out and only cashing in before their ride into the sunset

Free agency is to tie up those loose ends and get the role players who fit system. Maybe if you score the big money player coming off his first contract then maybe, but the rancid overspending for spent players has become a huge detriment for this organization. I don’t mind spending the cash to keep our own
Except when you are incapable of hitting on an OT with a high pick you need to consider protecting your franchise by leveraging other methods or risk your QB being on IR by week 4 every year....
 
There's nobody really out there who's an amazing free agent. They've already been accounted for. No Drew Brees/Reggie White/Charles Woodson/Trent Williams types.
 
Except when you are incapable of hitting on an OT with a high pick you need to consider protecting your franchise by leveraging other methods or risk your QB being on IR by week 4 every year....
I think you're missing the point... If after drafting 7 OL in 3 drafts, you still have to go out and pay top tackle money in FA, it really doesnt matter what you do, you will not win a SB... Just like you wont get rich by getting a new credit card to pay for a credit card you cant keep up with... Its a short term fix that gets you nowhere fast.
 
So this is what the Eagles, Seahawks, Falcons, Cardinals and Ravens think the Dolphins are doing? I guess it's good when a sixth of the league know what you're up to.
 
As I posted in another thread, Chris Grier became the Dolphins GM on 04 JAN 2016. The Dolphins OL ranking per PFF after each season since:

2016 - 30th
2017 - 29th
2018 - 31st
2019 - 32nd
2020 - 28th
2021 - 32nd

Grier has bombed at building OL’s for 6 years running with all the draft and financial resources available…. Yikes!
 
As I posted in another thread, Chris Grier became the Dolphins GM on 04 JAN 2016. The Dolphins OL ranking per PFF after each season since:

2016 - 30th
2017 - 29th
2018 - 31st
2019 - 32nd
2020 - 28th
2021 - 32nd

Grier has bombed at building OL’s for 6 years running with all the draft and financial resources available…. Yikes!
I don't disagree. But you also have to factor in coaching, or in Miami's case lack thereof.

Adam Gase was pretty clueless. Brian Flores delivered on defense, but who even knows what his vision was offensively.

Better coaching and maybe some players develop.
 
…And why there is a case why it does not make sense.

Miami has gone 19-12 in their last 31 games with supposedly a coach that cannot coach according to most pundits on this site. A 7 game losing streak coincided with their starting QB suffering a rib injury landing him on IR followed by an injury to his middle on his throwing hand.

That record occurred also with a QB who entered the league fresh off of hip surgery and limited pass attempts. In fact, Tua’s total attempts in college and in the NFL now stands at 1,362 (684 in college + 678 in the NFL). To put that in perspective, Herbert attempted 1,293 pass attempts in college alone.

Who is to say that Tua is not going to make a huge leap similar to Josh Allen in his 3rd year and Miami has Bama Tua?

That record also occurred with the worst OL in football over the past two years. And a WR unit that has so often been decimated by injuries they ought to hang a sign on the door of the WR‘s film room saying “Hospital Ward.”

And now that Miami has a HC with a reputation of being an offensive genius, why in hell wouldn’t they take a shot at improving the OL with veteran players and proven WRs? Miami could structure those contracts to where they could release the players 2-3 years in to afford to give Tua his first big payday assuming he earns it.

The way that is being suggested to not sign free agents until the Dolphins would be guaranteed a shot at the Super Bowl, which no team has that guarantee, might coincide at the same time Tua is do a huge payday so there wouldn’t be $$$ to sign free agents at that time anyways.

Tua has two years left on his rookie contract. Not a bad time to take a shot at signing free agents to make a playoff run. Look at the Chargers to see how that is done. The Bengals are also taking that intelligent approach. It got KC a Super Bowl before Mahomes big contract.

I would love to see what Tua can do with solid pass protection and playmakers that can get separation. Wouldn’t by the craziest thing in the history of football for Miami to win the Super Bowl this year.

And maybe the Dolphins wouldn’t win the Super Bowl this year. Maybe they would only make it to the AFC Championship game winning two playoff games, or maybe even one game. Is that really so bad for a team that has made the playoffs “2” times over the past “20” years and both those playoff teams had mostly to due with playing cupcake schedules and promptly having their a**es handed to the them in the wildcard games?

To me, it would be worth it. I would enjoy that ride.
 
I think you're missing the point... If after drafting 7 OL in 3 drafts, you still have to go out and pay top tackle money in FA, it really doesnt matter what you do, you will not win a SB... Just like you wont get rich by getting a new credit card to pay for a credit card you cant keep up with... Its a short term fix that gets you nowhere fast.
Unless your the Rams who just won a SB in the exact opposite capacity.

No I don't think I have missed the point.
 
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If the Chiefs, Bucs and Rams are the most recent model... you need a HOF QB and a s*** load of all stars on your team.

Chiefs have a HOF WR, TE and QB, great Oline and are the most flawed team of the 3 bc their defense is weak.

Bucs had 10 probowlers on Defense alone, GOAT QB, 2 pro bowl WRs, HOF TE and a great Oline

Rams had a fringe HOF QB, the best DT ever, pro bowlers around him on the Dline, 2 All pro WRs a HOF LT, all pro corner....

To me it looks like to win the God d*** Superbowl you need EXCELLENT PLAYERS ALL OVER THE FIELD.

All this BS you guys are writing in this thread are just lip service to make yourselves feel better about this team and these FA signings. We simply need better players, until we sign them and draft more of them were simply not gonna win the SB. Its really that simple. We're still very VERY far away from really being a team to look at as a Super Bowl contender. Sorry for the bucket of cold reality but this is the truth.
 
I totally agree that you build the core of your team thru the draft and when you’re close, you go all in in free agency. Looking at the past 4 drafts, beyond the Jackson and Iggy picks, Grier has done a great job. Has to be top 10 in the league over that time period.
Despite the line ranking last in the league and no running game, if Tua and Raekwon don’t get hurt, we would’ve won 11 games minimum. It looks like we are addressing the line and running game as we should. We just need to sign a tackle.
 
I totally agree that you build the core of your team thru the draft and when you’re close, you go all in in free agency. Looking at the past 4 drafts, beyond the Jackson and Iggy picks, Grier has done a great job. Has to be top 10 in the league over that time period.
Despite the line ranking last in the league and no running game, if Tua and Raekwon don’t get hurt, we would’ve won 11 games minimum. It looks like we are addressing the line and running game as we should. We just need to sign a tackle.
There are two major things that need fixing.
1. We can't run when we need to, like for a short first down or to kill the clock at the end of the game.
2. We can't stop the run when we really need to.
Hopefully better oline play, a fullback and different running backs fix the first one. We still need one guy at least on defense, whether it's a linebacker or a defensive lineman.
 
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