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While reading an article on the 10 most talented teams in the NFL, Bucky Brooks noted that "championship teams" typically have 8-10 "Blue Chip" players on the squad. He listed his top ten (we weren't on it) and made me take a quick opinionated inventory on these Dolphins. I counted 5 blue chips players and perhaps 6 with considerable argument. By the way he did not include rookies on the list because they are an unknown commodity.

Here are my solid 5 maybe 6 (if you're in a good mood):)!

Jarvis Landry
Cam Wake (fading)
Suh
Mike Pouncey
R. Jones
Branden Albert:couch3:

If one or two of the free agents could step-up we might have a few surprises in store. What say you?

Peace..........
 
I don't think Pouncey is blue chip, but in due time you can put Tunsil up there. Albert will be gone soon along with Wake

Parker could ascend into that list easily, as with Tannehill.
 
I don't think the dolphins problems over the past few years have been due to a lack of blue chip talent but rather the non elite players we've had were not starting caliber. That said I would say the dolphins have enough on paper if players can return from injury and play at levels they played before as well as the young players we have continuing their development. My list would be:

Blue Chip Players

Jarvis Landry
Ndamukong Suh
Mike Pouncy
Reshard Jones


Potential Blue Chip Prospects

DeVante Parker
Laremy Tunsil
Kiko Alonso


Aging Blue Chip Players

Cameron Wake
Mario Williams
Brandon Albert
 
I'm gonna take a guess and say 'blue chip' means All-Pro or potential All-Pro. Given that, Miami's All-Pro players are
Suh, Jones, Pouncey, Albert, Williams, Cameron. I'll omit Wake since he's likely a 3rd down DE.
Potential All-Pro - Landry, Parker. Omitting rookies since the author omitted them. So, omitting Wake, that's 8. Maybe KA, which would get Miami to 9, but that's more hope than evidence. Nonetheless, with little exaggeration (and a reasonable definition), that puts Miami in the same class as "championship teams."
As garbage alluded, Miami's woes have been more about the VERY bad players than lack of good players. If Miami had at least average OG,s/CB's/DT, I don't think 8-9 wins would have been unrealistic. However, I must add "championship teams" have real HCs.
 
I disagree with the Blue Chip players. maybe one year or two, but salary-wise you really can't have that. It's the equivalent to having ProBowl Players, and that doesn't guarantee wins, if certain positions like qb aren't blue chip. I would like to see his list and see what pertinent positions are blue chip. I think you need 6-7, qb, lt, de, cb wr and LB. if you have one alpha per unit, the way games are close, you have a playmaker or closer to finish a game
 
garbagemouth said:
I don't think the dolphins problems over the past few years have been due to a lack of blue chip talent but rather the non elite players we've had were not starting caliber. That said I would say the dolphins have enough on paper if players can return from injury and play at levels they played before as well as the young players we have continuing their development. My list would be:

Blue Chip Players

Jarvis Landry
Ndamukong Suh
Mike Pouncy
Reshard Jones


Potential Blue Chip Prospects

DeVante Parker
Laremy Tunsil
Kiko Alonso


Aging Blue Chip Players

Cameron Wake
Mario Williams
Brandon Albert
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I like this list, maybe add Maxwell and Phillips as potential?
 
Absolutely Suh is a blue chip player. Until Cam Wake comes in and stinks the place up he is too. Blowing an achilles does not make him a bum. Reshad Jones has quietly been close enough and consistent enough to be called a bluechip player. Mario Williams has been for a long time until he met rex ryan. i like to think the problem is the blowhard not father time just yet. soooo...

Suh, Wake, Jones, Williams

If you wanted to put Landry on that list I wouldn't fault you, but it's only been 2 seasons; the lack of TDs and under 11 ypc-avg keep him out of that elite category for me thus far. He's not AJ Green, OBJ, Jordy, Dez, BMarsh, Demaryius yet & with his skill set idk what hell become. Just trying to be realistic. He is my favorite player on the team, sooo tough, the epitomy of football, unbelievable hands, but he basically supplemented the running game with dink and dunk catches and to me that bloats the reception total up a bit. I'm in no rush to anoint anyone from Joe Philbins perennial losers.

I leave Pouncey off, he leads the worst unit in franchise history.
 
garbagemouth said:
I don't think the dolphins problems over the past few years have been due to a lack of blue chip talent but rather the non elite players we've had were not starting caliber. That said I would say the dolphins have enough on paper if players can return from injury and play at levels they played before as well as the young players we have continuing their development. My list would be:
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Miami has plenty of top level talent and a bunch of promising youngsters. Obviously an elite QB would go a long ways but as far as positional talents they're fine. Its that middle ground that they've been having such a tough time with lately. Having Albert and Pouncey is great but it hasn't turned any of the half dozen guys that have taken their turn at left guard into capable starters. Having Suh and Wake next to him didn't help out Shelby all that much.

The good teams are the ones that have players they can plug in due to injury or circumstance that may not be pro bowlers but also won't embarrass themselves.
 
Ferretsquig said:
Miami has plenty of top level talent and a bunch of promising youngsters. Obviously an elite QB would go a long ways but as far as positional talents they're fine. Its that middle ground that they've been having such a tough time with lately. Having Albert and Pouncey is great but it hasn't turned any of the half dozen guys that have taken their turn at left guard into capable starters. Having Suh and Wake next to him didn't help out Shelby all that much. The good teams are the ones that have players they can plug in due to injury or circumstance that may not be pro bowlers but also won't embarrass themselves.
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Agreed, but don't forget coaching. Philbin played Jennings over Parker even after Parker was cleared. Resisted starting Mathews. Played Mitchell over anybody, J Taylor over anybody, D Thomas over anybody. Again, I agree, the problem was how bad the worst starters were, but, when upgrades were available, Philbin didn't know it.
 
footsteps_falco said:
Absolutely Suh is a blue chip player. Until Cam Wake comes in and stinks the place up he is too. Blowing an achilles does not make him a bum. Reshad Jones has quietly been close enough and consistent enough to be called a bluechip player. Mario Williams has been for a long time until he met rex ryan. i like to think the problem is the blowhard not father time just yet. soooo...

Suh, Wake, Jones, Williams

If you wanted to put Landry on that list I wouldn't fault you, but it's only been 2 seasons; the lack of TDs and under 11 ypc-avg keep him out of that elite category for me thus far. He's not AJ Green, OBJ, Jordy, Dez, BMarsh, Demaryius yet & with his skill set idk what hell become. Just trying to be realistic. He is my favorite player on the team, sooo tough, the epitomy of football, unbelievable hands, but he basically supplemented the running game with dink and dunk catches and to me that bloats the reception total up a bit. I'm in no rush to anoint anyone from Joe Philbins perennial losers.

I leave Pouncey off, he leads the worst unit in franchise history.
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I consider Landry in a different category than the WR you mentioned primarily because of his role in the slot. I'd call Landry a top slot wr in the league....I would also call Pouncey a top center, albeit overpaid.
 
I can become optimistic when I consider all the POTENTIAL top players Miami has. Landry, Parker, Cameron, Tunsil, Ajayi on the O side. Those, plus, Albert and Pouncey are seven pretty good players and the remaining 4 don't include a Dallas Thomas. I'm aware of injury concerns, but there is talent. Getting that talent to play as a unit is what will decide Gase's fate.
 
Blue chip?

New England: Tom Brady, Rob Gronkowski, Jamie Collins, Devin McCourty...Their other players are either role players or solid players
Pittsburgh: Ben Roethlisberger, LeVeon Bell, Antonio Brown, Maurkice Pouncey, Cameron Heyward, Lawrence Timmons
Denver: Demaryius Thomas, Von Miller, Derek Wolfe, Chris Harris, Aqib Talib

People have a very loose definition of blue chip. Miami has 2, maybe three blue chip players. Reshad Jones, Ndmukong Suh, Cam Wake (in his prime).
 
SCLSU Mud Dogs said:
Blue chip? New England: Tom Brady, Rob Gronkowski, Jamie Collins, Devin McCourty...Their other players are either role players or solid players Pittsburgh: Ben Roethlisberger, LeVeon Bell, Antonio Brown, Maurkice Pouncey, Cameron Heyward, Lawrence Timmons Denver: Demaryius Thomas, Von Miller, Derek Wolfe, Chris Harris, Aqib Talib People have a very loose definition of blue chip. Miami has 2, maybe three blue chip players. Reshad Jones, Ndmukong Suh, Cam Wake (in his prime).
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Remember, the writer defined blue chip as "top," leaving "top" undefined. Since he says top teams have at least 8? blue chip players, his definition appears a little more loose than yours. "top" appears to be the debate here. I know this . . . some of the players the writer lists as "top," are ranked about 20 in PFF and lower than that in other sites, so I'm guessing he calls someone blue chip because HE thinks they are. In any case, he certainly doesn't think 'top' means 'elite.'
 
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