Bob McAdoo GB QB coach a possible candidate

[Canadianfishfan]

I'm sorry this has taken me so long to reply but I knew you toting this argument didn't hold water at all.

I looked up the first 5 OC's that came to mind and none of them had any OC experience before being given their first OC positions. Their names; Darryll Bevell, Gary Kubiak, Josh McDaniels, Greg Roman and Ken Whisenhunt. I stopped after looking up these five. I'm guessing there are many more OC's in the NFL who hadn't had any play calling experience before being given their first OC job. Try a new angle to bash the possible decision.

How are they supposed to have experience before their first OC experience? You do realize that is an improbability. Otherwise it wouldn't have been their first opportunity.

All OCs had no experience before their first experience.

 

[Hayden Fox]

How are they supposed to have experience before their first OC experience? You do realize that is an improbability. Otherwise it wouldn't have been their first opportunity.

I got no issue giving a guy without experience a gig. However, it has to fit the organization, the QB and the HC. I do not think that is the case here.

We shall see.

 

[maleke1]

This Figures

Not that I oppose completely, I knew Philbn would go with somebody that he's familiar with. Kubiak,Norve Turner would be great upgrades.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

they are and Tampa used to be just as bad. It's the reason why when Tampa was hiring assistants for Schiano a lot of teams got "revenge" on them.

You can't block a coach from interviewing for a HC gig, but any other gig you can.

Teams can block coaches from leave to take a lateral position. Meaning you can't interview an OC to be your OC.

Or something like that.

 

[mnphinfan]

I got no issue giving a guy without experience a gig. However, it has to fit the organization, the QB and the HC. I do not think that is the case here.

We shall see.

And you would be the authority on this why? McAdoo has spent the last 8 God Damn years in Green Bay as a TE and QB coach. In the exact same system that Philbin was credited with improvising to make the Green Bay offense what it was. Working with the exact same person (McCarthy). To say he has no experience is flat out ignorant. He is more than likely going to have a much closer game philosophy and management style to Philbin that Sherman ever did because Sherman was already set in his ways. Let's not even mention that Philbin wanted to interview him before Sherman and Green Bay said no to even an interview. Admit it, you are just going to hate Philbin's decisions no matter what they are.

So there might an OC that has never called plays before, a DC that had never made calls before and a HC going into his 3rd year that has never been over .500. Sounds like a good recipe.


All the OC's you researched had strong, powerful HC's within the organization. That is not the case in Miami.

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Please explain to me how you see the DC being replaced? There is more speculation in that post than legal mary jane in Colorado right now.

Might not be a good recipe, are you ****ing kidding me? I just listed 5 of the top OC's in the league and you think it's a coincidence. Most OC's go from QB coach to OC so it's not a coincidence. It's the natural progression of an OC up the coaching tree. Sometimes the best thing for a team is a new/younger vision on what an offense should do. Especially when they just got rid of a dinosaur who was set in his ways and had no ability to change his in game scheme.

Nice to see when your theory is proven wrong you just change your argument. Great conviction you have there.

 

[mnphinfan]

I got no issue giving a guy without experience a gig. However, it has to fit the organization, the QB and the HC. I do not think that is the case here.

We shall see.

How are they supposed to have experience before their first OC experience? You do realize that is an improbability. Otherwise it wouldn't have been their first opportunity.

All OCs had no experience before their first experience.

Which is exactly why Hayden Fox's argument that an OC needs to have been an OC/have had play calling responsibility before being hired for the Phins OC position is moot.

Some of the best OC's in the league didn't follow that pathway so why should the Fins limit themselves on their OC search?

 

[Hayden Fox]

And you would be the authority on this why? McAdoo has spent the last 8 God Damn years in Green Bay as a TE and QB coach. In the exact same system that Philbin was credited with improvising to make the Green Bay offense what it was. Working with the exact same person (McCarthy). To say he has no experience is flat out ignorant. He is more than likely going to have a much closer game philosophy and management style to Philbin that Sherman ever did because Sherman was already set in his ways. Let's not even mention that Philbin wanted to interview him before Sherman and Green Bay said no to even an interview. Admit it, you are just going to hate Philbin's decisions no matter what they are.



Please explain to me how you see the DC being replaced? There is more speculation in that post than legal mary jane in Colorado right now.

Might not be a good recipe, are you ****ing kidding me? I just listed 5 of the top OC's in the league and you think it's a coincidence. Most OC's go from QB coach to OC so it's not a coincidence. It's the natural progression of an OC up the coaching tree. Sometimes the best thing for a team is a new/younger vision on what an offense should do. Especially when they just got rid of a dinosaur who was set in his ways and had no ability to change his in game scheme.

Nice to see when your theory is proven wrong you just change your argument. Great conviction you have there.

I never said Coyle was going to be replaced? Where do you get that?

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And you would be the authority on this why? McAdoo has spent the last 8 God Damn years in Green Bay as a TE and QB coach. In the exact same system that Philbin was credited with improvising to make the Green Bay offense what it was. Working with the exact same person (McCarthy). To say he has no experience is flat out ignorant. He is more than likely going to have a much closer game philosophy and management style to Philbin that Sherman ever did because Sherman was already set in his ways. Let's not even mention that Philbin wanted to interview him before Sherman and Green Bay said no to even an interview. Admit it, you are just going to hate Philbin's decisions no matter what they are.



Please explain to me how you see the DC being replaced? There is more speculation in that post than legal mary jane in Colorado right now.

Might not be a good recipe, are you ****ing kidding me? I just listed 5 of the top OC's in the league and you think it's a coincidence. Most OC's go from QB coach to OC so it's not a coincidence. It's the natural progression of an OC up the coaching tree. Sometimes the best thing for a team is a new/younger vision on what an offense should do. Especially when they just got rid of a dinosaur who was set in his ways and had no ability to change his in game scheme.

Nice to see when your theory is proven wrong you just change your argument. Great conviction you have there.

I am not an authority. However, all I heard was how the offense was going to be "Green Bay South" and it has turned out to be a total disappointment.

 

[mnphinfan]

I never said Coyle was going to be replaced? Where do you get that?


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I am not an authority. However, all I heard was how the offense was going to be "Green Bay South" and it has turned out to be a total disappointment.

Three posts above I quoted you from post #150. Perhaps you fingers were typing faster than your brain?

That was fan speak, Philbin himself said that wasn't going to be the case. Perhaps now with Sherman gone the offense will show less of his philosophy and more of Philbin's.

 

[Hayden Fox]

Three posts above I quoted you. Perhaps you fingers were typing faster than your brain?

That was fan speak, Philbin himself said that wasn't going to be the case. Perhaps now with Sherman gone the offense will show less of his philosophy and more of Philbin's.

I never said Coyle was going to be replaced. I said the DC (Coyle) had never made calls before coming to Miami...another neophyte.

Never said he was getting fired. My typing skills are slow enough that I know what I am saying.

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Not sure where you got that.

 

[mnphinfan]

I never said Coyle was going to be replaced. I said the DC (Coyle) had never made calls before coming to Miami...another neophyte.

Never said he was getting fired. My typing skills are slow enough that I know what I am saying.

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Not sure where you got that.

You may know what you are saying but you sure don't articulate it very well.

You might want to do a little research. Almost all first time DC's were DB, LB or D-line coaches before ever given the chance. One would have thought you would have learned from this based on your OC argument about experience. It's the natural progression of a DC.

And when a rookie head coach brings in his staff most of the time the OC and DC are first timers. It's all of their big break not just the head coaches.

 

[Hayden Fox]

You may know what you are saying but you sure don't articulate it very well.

You might want to do a little research. Almost all first time DC's were DB, LB or D-line coaches before ever given the chance. One would have thought you would have learned from this based on your OC argument about experience. It's the natural progression of a DC.

And when a rookie head coach brings in his staff most of the time the OC and DC are first timers. It's all of their big break not just the head coaches.

I think I articulated enough for you to understand that I never stated I though Coyle was going to get fired. Maybe it is cross between my writing skill and your reading comprehension ability of why we are arguing.

I think your research is very flawed. You selected five first time OC's that had experienced and entrenched HC's. They had QB's that were established. NONE of that applies here.

So, I understand you feel comfortable with your argument and that is great. I guess we will see how it works out for the Fins.

 

[mnphinfan]

I think I articulated enough for you to understand that I never stated I though Coyle was going to get fired. Maybe it is cross between my writing skill and your reading comprehension ability of why we are arguing.

I think your research is very flawed. You selected five first time OC's that had experienced and entrenched HC's. They had QB's that were established. NONE of that applies here.

So, I understand you feel comfortable with your argument and that is great. I guess we will see how it works out for the Fins.

I selected the first OC's that came to mind. I had no idea what their college coaching experience was or if they had been an OC or head coach at that level.

I'm not entirely comfortable, but I think that if the Fins only limit their OC search to coaches that have been OC's in the past they may miss out on a young, great play caller. One that isn't immediately looking to jump back into a head coaching position and one that may be able to grow with Tannehill and this offense for the foreseeable future. I would be happy with McAdoo as a play caller as everything I've read seems to suggest that his players like him and that he schemes his offense towards his players strengths and uses that to attack defenses. Something we haven't seen in quite awhile on this team.

 

[Hayden Fox]

If McAddoo is some up and comer...why would he cut his teeth as an OC in Miami in which the GM is on thin ice and with another poor season, his HC possibly be fired.

Dolphin fans have their hopes up for some big name or electric play caller...I think they will be disappointed in the name that gets the gig. Just a thought.

These half measures DO NOT work.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Dolphin fans have their hopes up for some big name or electric play caller...I think they will be disappointed in the name that gets the gig. Just a thought.

Yup. The reason I am holding out hope for Kubiak is my aforementioned theory that Sherman took one for the team and might try to convince his good friend Gary to take a year 'off' in sunny South Florida and also retain his family members on the staff.

Otherwise I think we really might be looking at Zac Taylor.

 

[Hayden Fox]

Yup. The reason I am holding out hope for Kubiak is my aforementioned theory that Sherman took one for the team and might try to convince his good friend Gary to take a year 'off' in sunny South Florida and also retain his family members on the staff.

Otherwise I think we really might be looking at Zac Taylor.

If Kevin O'Keefe ends up as the OC of this team...in a crucial year for the organization and development of Ryan Tannehill...holy **** I will I go off.