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I got good news for you:
It's going to work out.
I still have faith in that, but that faith is limited to this year. If he doesn't take it up several notches, it's time to move on.
For obvious reasons, to keep a players that costs 6M because "you can afford to: is really just a dumb decision and many companies would go bankrupt with that mind frame. We could take that 6M and roll it into next years cap, etc...
Your second thought holds credence however given Tannehill's durability, Moore is clearly expendable.
dlockz
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There is not a dolphin fan period that wouldn't rather have many other players int he draft than either player. Ginn sucked lets not try to say Ginn didn't suck because Quinn was a bigger bust. Beck has as much in discussion as any one talked about because as ginn was the 9th pick, Quinn was chosen 14 picks later much like Beck was chosen 14 picks later.
Ginn was a horrible pick as Quinn would have been , lets not act like he has been a productive receiver his whole career. After 7 years he had his best season in the NFL after being like the 5th receive for three years for the 49ers. Ginn would probably have as much chnce of making the team as Quinn does now. I guess its easy to forget he did nothing for so many years after a massive 36 reception season lol. He had more tds in one season than he had his entire NFL career so lets not skew his career based on that. Yes Quinn was a bigger bust but Miami felt like Beck was a starting qb when they wasted a 2nd round pick. There is not much difference in being the 23rd picked player and the 40th player picked. We are talking about two different positions. For the 9th overall pick in the draft Ginn was a monumental bust for the franchise and no one not even you can deny that. He has averaged less than 30 receptions a year and been like the 5th best receiver on a SF team whoppie doo. We needed a qb that year and chose Beck so its quite fair to compare the qbs that we had a choice to lead our team. They both sucked, in fact all three players sucked. WR is different because you play multiple ones at various times, most teams carry 5 to 6 and most of them get playing time. Ginn was a worthless high pick that got us basically nothing in trade. If he was a 5th round pick u could say he did decent but as a first round pick there is nothing in your argument. We overdrafted Ginn just as we would have overdrafted Quinn. The overall effect on wins and losses would have been minimal comparing the players. I love how you use the word objective when you never truly know what it means because you just assume bias when that's just your opinion.
enigmatics
Go get me a juice box!
You've established Tannehill will be a durable after only 2 years in the league?
Ya, companies have gone bankrupt paying for a service that they can afford and doesn't harm their bottom line. Seems legit. LOL
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I salute this post ..... especially since you have Thanos in your avatar.
Quinn was an even more worthless first pick..our QB coach tutored him and obviously, in his own self-interest came back and told Cam and Randy that he was bad news. But again, Beck was a second round pick and considering we would have picked Quinn at 9, he's not relevant to the conversation - although apparently the collective wisdom of the NFL watching Quinn plummet into the 20s before Cleveland made a mercy pick of a local boy, would have as likely if not, let Quinn fall into the second round. And then a debate whether Quinn, Beck or Kolb was worth a second would have been more relevantly apples to apples instead of to oranges. The fact that teams still find value in Ginn and only a desperation signing based on injuries kept Quinn from falling into the recycle bin strongly asserts that whether Ginn was worth a 9th, on the basis of our QB coach, Terry Shea's familiarity with him, Quinn certainly wasn't. Realistically Ginn should have gone in the 20s and Quinn somewhere in the second round. Based on their relative worths, especially with the inside info, even where they deserved to go, Ginn was the far better pick.
But of course it's hopeless to convince someone who can't help but to succumb to the OCD urge to make the Fins look worse by introducing irrelevant negativity, even on their prudent decisions
dlockz
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OCD has nothing to do with Saying Ginn was a worthless first round pick. realistically Ginn shoukd have been a second round pick but people get infatuated with speed even if there is nothing to back it up .
No one in their right mind would say either player was a good first round pick. There was nothing prudent about taking Ginn.
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You should read about TPS. The model would suggest that keeping Moore at 6M while not needing him is wasteful under this strategy. In this model there is no such thing as, can afford to, and that is why Toyota is the #1 automaker in the world. Many other companies have already adopted this strategy.
Anyways, Tannehill has taken 93 sacks in two years and has not missed one game. He's been the most sacked Qb in the league during the two years hes been in the league, by about 10 sacks. The most he has missed in that time is 3 quarters of play, so yes, that would suggest he is durable.
Also, I didnt say anything about paying for a service they can afford so although failed, nice try to spin my words. What I said was companies have gone bankrupt or at least came close to it, paying for a service they can afford but do not need.. There is no doubt whatsoever in the minds of business leaders that it hurts their bottom line as they are not operating at 100% efficiency. Everything has an effect on the bottom line.
dlockz
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money he is paid should be starting oline moneybut we decide to go dumpster diving with Jason fox and Shelly Smith
enigmatics
Go get me a juice box!
Car industry. This is football. You're not really going to sit there with straight face and try to force that comparison are you? You sound like Bill Lumberg with the TPS reports.
Ya, look what happened with those 93 sacks ..... he sustained a knee injury late in the 2014 season. Those hits begin to add up after a while. Many of you blame his poor finish to the 2014 season on that knee.
Your bankruptcy comparison has no relevance. This one move will not lead to a Dolphin bankruptcy. You're inference that it's "efficient" to cut Moore has not been proven as you're speaking in generalities with no suggestion of what would be done with the money besides parroting "let's roll it over".
Who says the Dolphins don't "need" Moore? They have five brand new starters on the O-line and Philbin knows he's coaching to save his life this season. Tanny goes down and the season goes with it in flames. At least with Moore the team would be competitive in his stead, as we've previously seen in 2011.
I love that people think we don't need to pay a backup QB good money because our starter has proved durability by not getting injured the two years previously despite taking sacks at a ridiculous rate. Don't confuse luck or good fortune for a magical ability to not get hurt despite consistently being in position to do so. That he's escaped two years without getting hurt just makes me think his luck will run out at some point and it's as likely to be this year as any. We've established he's not Jake Locker, but nobody takes those kinds of hits without one eventually getting to him. QB's that can play without getting hurt can usually do so because they know how to avoid taking the kind of hits that Tannehill is one of the worst in the league at taking.
I know that if Moore is here we at least will have some watchable and enjoyable moments if Tannehill is down for a long stretch, like Moore did in his better games in 2011. Without Moore, I imagine there is a very high possibility of this season turning out to be as uninteresting as 2010, 2006, or 2007, where an inept offense usually under the hands of a terrible QB provides football less fun than watching an intramural flag football team. I can't stomach the though of losing yet another Dolphins season to not just losing, but the most awful, boring kind of losing, simply because the competent backup QB we had and whose salary didn't prevent us from anything (since nobody worth cap space is available now anyway) was foolishly discarded due to vain illusions that a QB who is the worst at taking sacks in the league will somehow run the table again and not get hurt despite having 5 new starters on the offensive line.
I know that if Moore is here we at least will have some watchable and enjoyable moments if Tannehill is down for a long stretch, like Moore did in his better games in 2011. Without Moore, I imagine there is a very high possibility of this season turning out to be as uninteresting as 2010, 2006, or 2007, where an inept offense usually under the hands of a terrible QB provides football less fun than watching an intramural flag football team. I can't stomach the though of losing yet another Dolphins season to not just losing, but the most awful, boring kind of losing, simply because the competent backup QB we had and whose salary didn't prevent us from anything (since nobody worth cap space is available now anyway) was foolishly discarded due to vain illusions that a QB who is the worst at taking sacks in the league will somehow run the table again and not get hurt despite having 5 new starters on the offensive line.