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Brady vs Ex Dolphin Welker - Good Pass/Bad Pass, Who Gets The Blame?

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Start here, with this headline, Welker costs the Pats a super bowl: https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/...-the-patriots-a-super-bowl-title/81224353007/

Here is the actual play in the link below. Yes he could have caught the ball, but in my view, what a terrible pass. Wide open, no pressure in Brady's face, and he puts it behind him and airmails it as well. To me it also doesn't look like the ball needed to be put high or behind Welker to avoid the defense, in fact, if anything the opposite - it should have just been fired right into his chest.

From my perspective, there is a chicken and an egg here, and it started with the poor throw. It would be one thing if pressure in Brady's face, but this was quite another thing.

After the fact, Welker seemingly got all the blame for this one. In part because Brady was the chosen one. Brady, who had all the fame and fortune and money in the world already at that point, didn't even stick up for Welker, and take primary blame, which I found gutless. It wasn't long after that, Welker was out in New England.

How do you slice the blame pie between Brady and Welker on this one? Even though it says video unavailable, click through to You Tube:

 
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Very bad throw. Brady made Welker have to jump and spin around in mid-air. It could have been caught, but the throw made it a very difficult catch. Welker was known for his great hands, so people excusing Brady here are just fellating him. šŸ˜‚
 
Should have been caught, no question. However Welker by his jump thought the ball was going to the inside, or right on him. The ball is slightly outside, which makes Welker have to twist back....and thus a tougher catch. However, he clearly gets both hands firmly on it. I am going 70% Welker/30% Brady.
 
phinsforlife said:
Start here, with this headline, Welker costs the Pats a super bowl: https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/...-the-patriots-a-super-bowl-title/81224353007/

Here is the actual play in the link below. Yes he could have caught the ball, but in my view, what a terrible pass. Wide open, no pressure in Brady's face, and he puts it behind him and airmails it as well. To me it also doesn't look like the ball needed to be put high or behind Welker to avoid the defense, in fact, if anything the opposite - it should have just been fired right into his chest.

From my perspective, there is a chicken and an egg here, and it started with the poor throw. It would be one thing if pressure in Brady's face, but this was quite another thing.

After the fact, Welker seemingly got all the blame for this one. In part because Brady was the chosen one. Brady, who had all the fame and fortune and money in the world already at that point, didn't even stick up for Welker, and take primary blame, which I found gutless. It wasn't long after that, Welker was out in New England.

How do you slice the blame pie between Brady and Welker on this one? Even though it says video unavailable, click through to You Tube:

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I have said for years.....Welker was wide open, as good as Welker was, Brady was considered as the GOAT and I expect the GOAT to make a better throw more than I expect Welker to make that catch, which was not an easy catch to make.

but a few plays later, we witnessed the greatest throw in super bowl history. Had Brady, Rodgers or Mahomes made this throw it would still be talked about, absolute dime when the Giants needed to set up game winning drive. Belichick even said earlier "make them go to Manningham" and Eli says...."Aight" and doesnt blink.
 
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phinsforlife said:
Start here, with this headline, Welker costs the Pats a super bowl: https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/...-the-patriots-a-super-bowl-title/81224353007/

Here is the actual play in the link below. Yes he could have caught the ball, but in my view, what a terrible pass. Wide open, no pressure in Brady's face, and he puts it behind him and airmails it as well. To me it also doesn't look like the ball needed to be put high or behind Welker to avoid the defense, in fact, if anything the opposite - it should have just been fired right into his chest.

From my perspective, there is a chicken and an egg here, and it started with the poor throw. It would be one thing if pressure in Brady's face, but this was quite another thing.

After the fact, Welker seemingly got all the blame for this one. In part because Brady was the chosen one. Brady, who had all the fame and fortune and money in the world already at that point, didn't even stick up for Welker, and take primary blame, which I found gutless. It wasn't long after that, Welker was out in New England.

How do you slice the blame pie between Brady and Welker on this one? Even though it says video unavailable, click through to You Tube:

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I agree with you that it was somewhat on Brady, but considering I played receiver, and have the mentality of if you get your hands on a ball, you have to find a way to catch it.

That was a bad angle Brady put him at, but I know in my own experience, I found ways to make catches like that, and yes, I did not have NFL quality DB at my back, but then again, I also had nowhere the talent of Welker.

Though I have issues with Brady being called the GOAT, I also have to say he was one of the smartest QB ever, a top 5 or 10 all time, and had a very catchable ball...That is not all on Brady, Welker should have made the catch, even if it would have been considered a great catch when he made it.
 
phinsforlife said:
Start here, with this headline, Welker costs the Pats a super bowl: https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/...-the-patriots-a-super-bowl-title/81224353007/

Here is the actual play in the link below. Yes he could have caught the ball, but in my view, what a terrible pass. Wide open, no pressure in Brady's face, and he puts it behind him and airmails it as well. To me it also doesn't look like the ball needed to be put high or behind Welker to avoid the defense, in fact, if anything the opposite - it should have just been fired right into his chest.

From my perspective, there is a chicken and an egg here, and it started with the poor throw. It would be one thing if pressure in Brady's face, but this was quite another thing.

After the fact, Welker seemingly got all the blame for this one. In part because Brady was the chosen one. Brady, who had all the fame and fortune and money in the world already at that point, didn't even stick up for Welker, and take primary blame, which I found gutless. It wasn't long after that, Welker was out in New England.

How do you slice the blame pie between Brady and Welker on this one? Even though it says video unavailable, click through to You Tube:

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From my HS football HC after a loss.
"Boys, no one loses because of one play. we had 50 plays. everyone of you failed on more than one. Don't blame the last guy to fail.'
 
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hoops said:
Misjudged by welker but I can see where they both were on different pages qb and wr there
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what do you mean by on different pages. it seems welker was running down the field, and the ball was less than accurately thrown. it doesnt seem like it was one of those things were brady expected him to stop, and he kept going, or brady expected him to snap off a route and he rounded it off or something like that?
 
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