breakdown of crowder vs other ILBs and $

[SR 7]

pretty nice break down of crowders performance to others...

...btw another time to read this nice thing that we have heard already...

music to my ears...

"The free agent market is here, but this moment right here is about a lot of dreams in my career. [The Dolphins] definitely need a linebacker. My respect for Parcells is huge, man. Parcells came to me, I think it was my second year in the league, we're playing in Dallas and he told me I'm a heck of a player. That meant a lot for me coming from a legend like that. Definitely, I like South Beach.''

http://www.thephinsider.com/2009/1/28/738348/what-is-channing-crowder-w

 

[JonnyZ81]

Saw it. Have to admit that the Crowder/Bradie James comparison is interesting. Both play in like the same role in the same defense and James does a better job. If he's only making $4 mil per year, then Crowder really shouldn't be looking for more than that. But he probably is and thats probably why the front office wont bring him back. ya know?

 

[phinasota]

Wow that is a great article. I would love to see Vilma or Dansby here. I was high on Crowder but after this article I'm not so high on him anymore. Dansby's numbers have been improving every year and he is only 27. He would be a good fit for at least 4 or 5 years. Vilma's numbers have been pretty consistantly high except for last year w/ the stinkin bretts and is only 26! so either of them get my vote!

 

[kbeath]

But age was a good point in one of the blog replies. 3 years younger means we are comparing apples to oranges. One thing was missed completely in the blog-----
IN THE NFL YOU DONT GET PAID FOR WHAT YOUVE DONE
YOU GET PAID FOR WHAT YOU WILL DO!
He is young and is being compared to guys in their prime and some past.

 

[Nappy Roots]

Wow that is a great article. I would love to see Vilma or Dansby here. I was high on Crowder but after this article I'm not so high on him anymore. Dansby's numbers have been improving every year and he is only 27. He would be a good fit for at least 4 or 5 years. Vilma's numbers have been pretty consistantly high except for last year w/ the stinkin bretts and is only 26! so either of them get my vote!

Vilma is a 4-3 MLB, not a 3-4 ILB. so no to him. I really hope we let Crowder walk and sign Dansby or Scott.

 

[tylerdolphin]

Vilma is a 4-3 MLB, not a 3-4 ILB. so no to him. I really hope we let Crowder walk and sign Dansby or Scott.

Is Bart Scott going to be Ed Hartwell v.2.0? He plays alongside Ray Lewis which makes him look better than he is.

 

[petefins]

Crowder needs to quit being a prick and trying to get more than he is worth. Look at bell. I'm sure bell wants and believes he should earn more money but he wants to stay in miami so he has to sacrifice some $$$$. not like their not all millionaires anyways.

 

[Nappy Roots]

Is Bart Scott going to be Ed Hartwell v.2.0? He plays alongside Ray Lewis which makes him look better than he is.

i mean its possible, but if you truely look at the past LBs to leave Baltimore/Pitt and didnt do well elsewhere, you will see a big difference in schemes. the Hartwells, Kirklands, etc. all were 3-4 ILBs trying to transition to 4-3 MLB, which isnt easy. Scott would simply be going from 3-4 to 3-4, although we do play a little different then baltimore. besides, Hartwell never had Scotts skill set or true production. Hartwell had 1 productive year. Scott has had 4 straight productive years.

 

[Dredd1050]

Dansby is the upgrade that Miami needs to focus on. After the Cards win the SB. Was that my outside voice? :d-day:

 

[JFoxx]

While I think they will make a decent attempt to resign Crowder, with the crop of LB's coming out in the draft and on the market, they won't overpay him to stay. The real question is how bad does Crowder want to stay in Mia vs. cash in with another team ?

 

[dlockz]

i mean its possible, but if you truely look at the past LBs to leave Baltimore/Pitt and didnt do well elsewhere, you will see a big difference in schemes. the Hartwells, Kirklands, etc. all were 3-4 ILBs trying to transition to 4-3 MLB, which isnt easy. Scott would simply be going from 3-4 to 3-4, although we do play a little different then baltimore. besides, Hartwell never had Scotts skill set or true production. Hartwell had 1 productive year. Scott has had 4 straight productive years.

actually our 3-4 is ran quite differant and in fact many times is basically a 4-3 due to the nature of the 4-6 schemes that Ryan used. Scott has had 4 productive years much like Crowder but Scott's been in basically Akin's role in the 3-4 when they run it and plays almost half the time as the outside backer.

 

[NBP81]

Only thing I dont get is why people think Bart Scott would be an upgrade over Channing Crowder... I just dont get it, regardless of if you want to keep him or not. Scott is 4 years older, 31 less tackles and plays with a top 5 NT in front of him.

 

[dlockz]

Dansby is the upgrade that Miami needs to focus on. After the Cards win the SB. Was that my outside voice? :d-day:

Dansby would be nice but in the Arizona scheme he has played very little ILB and he is an OLB almost all the time. He also has not played very much 3-4 scheme because the cardinals mainly run a 4-3. the big problem with Dansby is that he was franchised last year at 8 million. His agent wanted like 9 million a year last year and he basically wanted calvin pace guaranteed money and the cards were offering a similar contract to what Lance Briggs and Lofa Totapu got at like 6 years 40 million or Briggs whose contract is like 6 million a year. tatupo also got like 16 million guaranteed. These are the contracts he balked at. Pace got 6 years 42 million and 21 million in guaranteed money. So since it is now a new year, he probably wants a little more. So you have to ask yourself do you want to pay Dansby 6 years 45 million with about 23 million guaranteed. I say no although I like Dansby as an OLB for us. with Porter's contract it would be quite a risk to take on Dansby at that amount. I would not put it past us since we were offering Pace fairly similar money. You can bet though if we sign Dansby to that money its not to play ILB in our scheme. So like I said its fine to want Dansby but I personally think it would be much smarter to add a player of better value and build through the draft.

 

[dlockz]

Only thing I dont get is why people think Bart Scott would be an upgrade over Channing Crowder... I just dont get it, regardless of if you want to keep him or not. Scott is 4 years older, 31 less tackles and plays with a top 5 NT in front of him.

Not to mention does not and has not played the same position as Crowder his role is much differant than' crowder's . ray Lewis has more of crowder's role. Also Scott plays almost as much OLB in thier scheme than ILB.

 

[dlockz]

pretty nice break down of crowders performance to others...

...btw another time to read this nice thing that we have heard already...

music to my ears...

http://www.thephinsider.com/2009/1/28/738348/what-is-channing-crowder-w

excellent article in many ways.

I do see some major flaws though in the article.
First the statement is it fair to say he is at best the 4th best ILB available on the open market. That analysis does not show Scott to be a better linebacker, thats maybe his opinion.

Second Dansby is not an inside linebacker. He has played some but he is an OLB and plays more in a 4-3 than a 3-4 although they do some hybrid schemes.

Third You cannot compare Dansby stats or Vilma's stats to Crowder due to them playing mainly in a 4-3 defense . Vilma is not a 3-4 inside linebacler and thats why he was traded in the first place to NO when the jets went to a 3-4.

I do agree that the contract that Crowder should be possibly getting is around 5 years 25 million. problem is most players usually get more than they are worth. I cannot see why anyone would not feel that 5 million a year was such a bad number for Crowder to make. We paid 3.5 million a year for reggie Torbor who does not even start. Its basically similar to London Fletcher's deal. One problem when people look at other linebacker deals is that a contract signed 2 years ago is not usually a good barometer for what a player will sign for now. James Deal was signed in 2006 and you can definately argue that Crowder at the same point in his career is a superior player to James when he signed that contact. James had finished his first year as a starter and had like 93 tackles after 2 less than stellar seasons. Also one other flaw in the article's Bradie James arguement is that James has been in that same role most of his career so at age 28 he has had one year that is basically better than Crowder was this season.