phinphan11
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finfanatic99 said:
Dr. Jelly Finger?
Brees has Rotator Cuff Surgery?
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Dr. Jelly Finger?
Shamboubou
THE REAL SOUL SHAKER!
I worked in an ortho office for a couple years. This injury really is not BIG deal. He didn't tear any ligaments or anything like that, arthro surgury, as long as he does his PT he will have no problem this season.
People over react about a freaking sprained ankle sometimes.
People over react about a freaking sprained ankle sometimes.
dolphinators13 said:
Fiedler
2001- 21.5 PPG
2002- 24.1 PPG
2003 -22.9 PPG
Frerotte
2005- 19.8 PPG
So we now see that a Fiedler led offense scored more PPG in games each QB started.
Fiedler
2000- 57.1%, 2402 yards 6.7 avg, 74.5 rating
2001- 60.7%, 3290 yards 7.3 avg, 80.3 rating
2002- 61.3%, 2024 yards (ll games) 6.9 avg, 85.2 rating
2003- 57%, 2138 yards (12 games) 6.8 avg, 72.4 rating
Frerotte
2005- 52%, 2996 YARDS 6.07 AVG, 71.9 rating
Conclusion
1- Fiedler led offense scored more PPG when he started
2- Fiedler was more accurate
3- Fiedler had the better rating
4- Fiedler had the better YPA
5- Our team won more with Fiedler
Another fact
-Longest losing streak with Frerotte= 6 games
-Longest losing streak with Fiedler= 2 games
So we have already determined that Statistically and team output was better with Fiedler. I could keep going with 3rd down conversions, TOP etc... But I think I will stop here.
Maybe you are the one who needs to watch the game :wink:
BennyVW
I'm the Man in the Box
Partial tear... The best guy in the world fixed it... He's activly re-habbing..
anything else?
anything else?
PhinGeneral
King of the Wild Frontier
He'll be checked out thoroughly by Miami before they make any offer. That'll tell everyone something right there.
And if his shoulder does have a limited time frame for effectiveness, I'd expect Miami to still possibly draft a QB they can groom for 2-3 years.
And if his shoulder does have a limited time frame for effectiveness, I'd expect Miami to still possibly draft a QB they can groom for 2-3 years.
the tear depending how bad it is will determine when he can throw full strength. I had it done at the end of August and still isn't fully recovered. Can't throw until summer(June). It dosen't even matter if he has 7 trainers and a full gym. You can only go so far and they stop you. Hopefully his tear is minor. The range is 4 months to 1 year for recovery. I really wanted and was excited about Brees too. The good thing is the Phins will for sure check it all out. If they say it's a go! I'm all for it. I wanted Brees the first time around. Until he throws... you won't know!
BigDogsHunt
Prove It!
phinphan11 said:
Moon River.....wider than the nile.......!!!!
The labrum was the big issue from the Dislocation of the shoulder injury suffered....the Rotator was more of a "oh heck, since we are already in here lets take a looksy and do some house cleaning" type fix.
Since he is far ahead of recovery schedule I think the cuff may not be that significant since it wasnt a full tear but rather more of normal "wear and tear".
Fingers crossed any way.
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PhinGeneral said:
Exactly, they'll check. I trust Saban's crew. Now if it were a couple years ago I'd worry.
And yea, if he can play well for 3 years, that would give our team a chance to win while we groom Mr. Future. Yet Brees would never cast a shadow as long as Marino's so it would be potentially a good transition. Learn from a good veteran and then take over.
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dolphinators13 just got:0wned:GRYPHONK said:
i love how people say random crap with out backing it up with numbers.
What about Drew?
Letting Brees walk will be a big mistake for San Diego
Posted: Thursday March 2, 2006 6:17PM; Updated: Friday March 3, 2006 6:31PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/nunyo_demasio/03/01/chargers.qbs/index.html
The San Diego Chargers are on the verge of making a decision that will bring the franchise closer to its dark days, which weren't that long ago. It's been lost amid the hullabaloo of Wonderlic-gate and the uncertainty of the NFL's labor situation.
With free agency starting on Monday, San Diego has turned an enviable situation of being stacked at the quarterback position -- with Drew Brees and Philip Rivers -- into a nightmare scenario: likely allowing Brees -- one of the NFL's top quarterbacks -- to depart without obtaining even a practice-squad player in return.
As recently as 2004, the Chargers had been such a laughingstock that Eli Manning forced a trade (bringing Rivers) after being drafted first overall. Now, the quarterback who spearheaded the remarkable turnaround is being treated like an afterthought.
Brees will likely become a free agent because general manager A.J. Smith is only willing to offer a contract of mostly incentives to a quarterback who tore the labrum in his throwing shoulder during the Chargers' regular-season finale. But Smith's inflexible stance is flabbergasting for a club that's a Super Bowl contender -- with Brees.
Excluding wideout Keenan McCardell, the nucleus of San Diego's potent offense is entering its prime. The Chargers, who barely missed the playoffs after finishing 9-7 last season despite an arduous schedule, are attempting to drum up support for a new stadium. Unless Brees' right arm has fallen off, now's not the time to rely on a quarterback (Rivers) who has thrown just 30 passes in two seasons.
The right move would have been to give Brees at least a one-year deal via the franchise or transition tag. In that scenario, if Brees didn't return to form, the Chargers could have turned to Rivers. But San Diego failed to act before the Feb. 23 deadline because Brees would have earned roughly $10 million in guarantees for one season.
It's not as if the Chargers are in salary-cap hell, forcing a roster purge. San Diego is reportedly more than $20 million under the current cap, and could easily keep both quarterbacks again.
I would have signed Brees to a long-term contract and traded Rivers to bolster the offensive line and secondary. If that's too risky for Smith's taste, the Chargers should have at least dealt Brees to help fill some holes.
The club has sent whispers around the league that Brees' injury is worse than he is letting on. The quarterback insists he's four weeks ahead of schedule. But I'm siding with the orthopedists who have publicly declared that Brees's shoulder will be stronger when he fully recovers. (In the past, Phil Simms and Rich Gannon suffered similar injuries before returning to form.) Brees -- a 27-year-old with a strong work ethic -- is expected to begin throwing in May, which is three months before training camp.
With several teams looking for a quarterback, Brees will receive substantial guaranteed money, even if there's not a new CBA. I was convinced of this last week at the combine while listening to Dolphins coach Nick Saban being interviewed. Saban is known for Karl Rove-like secrecy in disseminating pertinent information. But Saban surprised me with his uncharacteristic candor about Miami's interest in Brees.
(That reminds me, new Jets coach Eric Mangini is already one of the NFL's most tight-lipped coaches. On Sunday, I sat across the aisle from him on the plane ride home. He was conspicuous in his Jets jacket while reading the New York Times Book Review. My kind of head coach, except for the team gear in public. After a bumpy descent, we joked about how the pilot must have been on his first flight. But Mangini quickly turned reticent after I revealed my job, making a convenient trip to the men's room with a polite goodbye. It wasn't enough time to get the view from a coach whose starting quarterback, unlike Brees, tore his rotator cuff.)
Anyway, Smith is against giving a guaranteed contract to a quarterback whose future is uncertain. But the odds are 50-50 that a first-round quarterback becomes a star. That didn't prevent the Chargers from signing Rivers to a $40.5 million contract. Playing sparingly over two seasons, Rivers has earned more than $14 million. The North Carolina State product threw for 13,484 yards -- the second-best total in NCAA history at the time. If things pan out, Rivers might turn out to be the next, well, Drew Brees. The Chargers should know better than anyone that for every Peyton Manning, there's a Ryan Leaf.
Last season, Brees amassed a career-high 3,576 yards during a down year. Beyond the numbers, Brees -- 21-11 as a starter over the past two seasons -- brings intangibles such as moxie and fortitude that make him the leader on a team with LaDainian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates. Brees' departure will divide a club whose GM and coach aren't exactly bosom buddies.
Check out these recent remarks by Marty Schottenheimer to the San Diego Union-Tribune: "I think it's important that there's always communication between the coach and general manager. I've sought to see that realized. But quite frankly, there hasn't been as much as I would like."
In three seasons with Smith as GM, the Chargers are 25-24. The former long-time scout deserves praise for several smart moves, such as drafting linebacker Shawne Merriman last year and creating financial flexibility. But Smith is a winning GM largely because of Brees' development.
I have a feeling that Smith is one of these NFL GMs, who, like some corporate bosses, get attached to their guys. Smith inherited Brees after becoming GM in 2003. After trading for Rivers, Smith declared him the quarterback of the future before the 2004 season.
But late that season, with Brees on his way to a banner season, Smith said: "I can't tell [owner] Dean Spanos we have an unrestricted quarterback who's playing great and he's leaving. That's not sound football."
Smith should return to that mindset before his franchise turns back the clock.
Letting Brees walk will be a big mistake for San Diego
Posted: Thursday March 2, 2006 6:17PM; Updated: Friday March 3, 2006 6:31PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/nunyo_demasio/03/01/chargers.qbs/index.html
The San Diego Chargers are on the verge of making a decision that will bring the franchise closer to its dark days, which weren't that long ago. It's been lost amid the hullabaloo of Wonderlic-gate and the uncertainty of the NFL's labor situation.
With free agency starting on Monday, San Diego has turned an enviable situation of being stacked at the quarterback position -- with Drew Brees and Philip Rivers -- into a nightmare scenario: likely allowing Brees -- one of the NFL's top quarterbacks -- to depart without obtaining even a practice-squad player in return.
As recently as 2004, the Chargers had been such a laughingstock that Eli Manning forced a trade (bringing Rivers) after being drafted first overall. Now, the quarterback who spearheaded the remarkable turnaround is being treated like an afterthought.
Brees will likely become a free agent because general manager A.J. Smith is only willing to offer a contract of mostly incentives to a quarterback who tore the labrum in his throwing shoulder during the Chargers' regular-season finale. But Smith's inflexible stance is flabbergasting for a club that's a Super Bowl contender -- with Brees.
Excluding wideout Keenan McCardell, the nucleus of San Diego's potent offense is entering its prime. The Chargers, who barely missed the playoffs after finishing 9-7 last season despite an arduous schedule, are attempting to drum up support for a new stadium. Unless Brees' right arm has fallen off, now's not the time to rely on a quarterback (Rivers) who has thrown just 30 passes in two seasons.
The right move would have been to give Brees at least a one-year deal via the franchise or transition tag. In that scenario, if Brees didn't return to form, the Chargers could have turned to Rivers. But San Diego failed to act before the Feb. 23 deadline because Brees would have earned roughly $10 million in guarantees for one season.
It's not as if the Chargers are in salary-cap hell, forcing a roster purge. San Diego is reportedly more than $20 million under the current cap, and could easily keep both quarterbacks again.
I would have signed Brees to a long-term contract and traded Rivers to bolster the offensive line and secondary. If that's too risky for Smith's taste, the Chargers should have at least dealt Brees to help fill some holes.
The club has sent whispers around the league that Brees' injury is worse than he is letting on. The quarterback insists he's four weeks ahead of schedule. But I'm siding with the orthopedists who have publicly declared that Brees's shoulder will be stronger when he fully recovers. (In the past, Phil Simms and Rich Gannon suffered similar injuries before returning to form.) Brees -- a 27-year-old with a strong work ethic -- is expected to begin throwing in May, which is three months before training camp.
With several teams looking for a quarterback, Brees will receive substantial guaranteed money, even if there's not a new CBA. I was convinced of this last week at the combine while listening to Dolphins coach Nick Saban being interviewed. Saban is known for Karl Rove-like secrecy in disseminating pertinent information. But Saban surprised me with his uncharacteristic candor about Miami's interest in Brees.
(That reminds me, new Jets coach Eric Mangini is already one of the NFL's most tight-lipped coaches. On Sunday, I sat across the aisle from him on the plane ride home. He was conspicuous in his Jets jacket while reading the New York Times Book Review. My kind of head coach, except for the team gear in public. After a bumpy descent, we joked about how the pilot must have been on his first flight. But Mangini quickly turned reticent after I revealed my job, making a convenient trip to the men's room with a polite goodbye. It wasn't enough time to get the view from a coach whose starting quarterback, unlike Brees, tore his rotator cuff.)
Anyway, Smith is against giving a guaranteed contract to a quarterback whose future is uncertain. But the odds are 50-50 that a first-round quarterback becomes a star. That didn't prevent the Chargers from signing Rivers to a $40.5 million contract. Playing sparingly over two seasons, Rivers has earned more than $14 million. The North Carolina State product threw for 13,484 yards -- the second-best total in NCAA history at the time. If things pan out, Rivers might turn out to be the next, well, Drew Brees. The Chargers should know better than anyone that for every Peyton Manning, there's a Ryan Leaf.
Last season, Brees amassed a career-high 3,576 yards during a down year. Beyond the numbers, Brees -- 21-11 as a starter over the past two seasons -- brings intangibles such as moxie and fortitude that make him the leader on a team with LaDainian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates. Brees' departure will divide a club whose GM and coach aren't exactly bosom buddies.
Check out these recent remarks by Marty Schottenheimer to the San Diego Union-Tribune: "I think it's important that there's always communication between the coach and general manager. I've sought to see that realized. But quite frankly, there hasn't been as much as I would like."
In three seasons with Smith as GM, the Chargers are 25-24. The former long-time scout deserves praise for several smart moves, such as drafting linebacker Shawne Merriman last year and creating financial flexibility. But Smith is a winning GM largely because of Brees' development.
I have a feeling that Smith is one of these NFL GMs, who, like some corporate bosses, get attached to their guys. Smith inherited Brees after becoming GM in 2003. After trading for Rivers, Smith declared him the quarterback of the future before the 2004 season.
But late that season, with Brees on his way to a banner season, Smith said: "I can't tell [owner] Dean Spanos we have an unrestricted quarterback who's playing great and he's leaving. That's not sound football."
Smith should return to that mindset before his franchise turns back the clock.
death7star said:
LOL I agree
Now back to Brees lol.
He will be checked out by some great doctors. As many of us(Including myself) who are in love with the thought of a healthy Brees on this team: Saban isn't stupid. He won't fall in love with the idea enough to not thoroughly examine Brees.
If Brees is in a Phin Uniform next season it will be because he is fit and ready to play. Maybe not the same as before but Brees at 90% is still better then anything we got on the roster now.
We will just have to wait and see. I hope he is in a Phin uni man. This will be a QB for the Phins for 5-7 years. There will be no need for a QB in the draft and we can concentrate on Secondary and the Oline in the draft.
What I would hate to see is us get Brees and then either Cutler, Leinart or Young end up being there at 16 lol That would stink.