Brian Brohm vs. Matt Ryan

[daywalker]

If Brian is there in the top of the second rd. we should take him. A comparison of him to Matt Ryan looks like this:

Brohm:
Comp - 308
Att. - 473
TotYds - 4024
Comp% - 65.1
Yds/Comp - 8.51
Long - 81
Tds - 30
Int - 12
Sacked - 24
QBRating - 152.43

Matt Ryan:
Comp - 388
Att. - 654
TotYds - 4507
Comp% - 59.3
Yds/Comp - 6.89
Long - 71
Tds - 31
Int - 19
Sacked - 21
QBRating - 127.04

Brohm senior year is similar to Dan's. I'm not comparing Brian to Dan just saying that the had similar yrs. Dan had a spectacular junior yr. and, I don't remember why, he had less that stellar Sr. campaign. Brian would have been high draft pick last yr., but came back for his Sr. campaign. A change in coaches and schemes made him take a step back in his last year, but he was still able to adapt and be a quality QB.

You may say that he has injury concerns. I can't deny he has had some injuries. But if you remember, Dan didn't have the greatest of knees coming out of college and he turned out O.K. It would worry me more if he relied on his legs, but he's a pocket passer that can avoid the rush.

If you look at each of the above QB's seasons, Brohm is better in every category. Ryan comp% is almost 6pts. less than Brohm's with 181 more attempts. Brohm was sacked more than Ryan and still completed a higher % than Ryan. And I think it is safe to say that Ryan had a better OL than Brohm. It is also safe to say that Gosder Cherilus is a better LT than anyone on the Louisville team. An 8.51 yd/comp is better than 6.89 yd/comp.

I'm not saying that Ryan is not going to be a good QB in the league, but I will say that there is no way I'm paying him #1 money to find out. Brohm is a much more intelligent and safe pick at the top of the second.

 

[ATVZ400]

If Brian is there in the top of the second rd. we should take him. A comparison of him to Matt Ryan looks like this:

Brohm:
Comp - 308
Att. - 473
TotYds - 4024
Comp% - 65.1
Yds/Comp - 8.51
Long - 81
Tds - 30
Int - 12
Sacked - 24
QBRating - 152.43

Matt Ryan:
Comp - 388
Att. - 654
TotYds - 4507
Comp% - 59.3
Yds/Comp - 6.89
Long - 71
Tds - 31
Int - 19
Sacked - 21
QBRating - 127.04

Brohm senior year is similar to Dan's. I'm not comparing Brian to Dan just saying that the had similar yrs. Dan had a spectacular junior yr. and, I don't remember why, he had less that stellar Sr. campaign. Brian would have been high draft pick last yr., but came back for his Sr. campaign. A change in coaches and schemes made him take a step back in his last year, but he was still able to adapt and be a quality QB.

You may say that he has injury concerns. I can't deny he has had some injuries. But if you remember, Dan didn't have the greatest of knees coming out of college and he turned out O.K. It would worry me more if he relied on his legs, but he's a pocket passer that can avoid the rush.

If you look at each of the above QB's seasons, Brohm is better in every category. Ryan comp% is almost 6pts. less than Brohm's with 181 more attempts. Brohm was sacked more than Ryan and still completed a higher % than Ryan. And I think it is safe to say that Ryan had a better OL than Brohm. It is also safe to say that Gosder Cherilus is a better LT than anyone on the Louisville team. An 8.51 yd/comp is better than 6.89 yd/comp.

I'm not saying that Ryan is not going to be a good QB in the league, but I will say that there is no way I'm paying him #1 money to find out. Brohm is a much more intelligent and safe pick at the top of the second.

Good info... i just don't think Brohm will be there when we pick in the 2nd rd

 

[Padfoot]

I like what I see with Brohm, a lot. If he could fall to us somehow, it would be a nice steal if we wanted to go with a QB.

 

[phinfan33]

i wouldn't mind us taking Brohm if we get the chance...better completion percentage,better QB rating,more yards per completion,less interceptions,one less TD,a long of 81 yards up against a long of 71 yards for Ryan,all of this while completing fewer passes on fewer attempts,and even though i didn't consistently watch him this past season,what i did see of him in highlight reels i liked....so yeah,if he's still available when we pick in the 2nd round,i wouldn't mind seeing us grab him.

 

[MonstBlitz]

Brohm is the only other QB in this year's draft that I would be happy with besides Ryan. All other QBs are most likely longshots and projects. But Brohm won't be there with our 2nd pick. So the answer is Matt Ryan.

 

[InTheHole]

Like I`ve pointed out already...Ryan is an under 62% in pass completion...anyone throwing under 62% is doomed to fail.

 

[dlockz]

Like I`ve pointed out already...Ryan is an under 62% in pass completion...anyone throwing under 62% is doomed to fail.

Based on what?
Just last year
Trent Edwards although hardly great was uner 62 percent and played pretty decent last year. Was 5-4 as a starter and was the best of the rookie QB's.

If you watched the Super Bowl
Eli Manning under 62 percent in college and in pros

If you watched our last game of the season
Carson Palmer basically replica stats of Ryan for his college career
number one pick and all pro qb.

If you remember the qb we all wanted and the one when we want to feel better we compare Beck to

Drew Brees under 62 percent in college in pros 63 percent


Another Qb we almost traded for
Matt Hasselback former BC QB that is pro bowl qb

In case you had not been watching the News
Brett Favre maybe best Qb of all time, I think Marino but still
under 62 percent

Former Dallas Cowboy HOF
Troy Aikman of course under that number

Historicaly
Dan Marino was well under 62 percent, hmm Hall of famer.
Terry Bradshaw well under 62 percent 4 time super bowl winner and hall


This was without doing major research, just off the top of my head.
There is no magical college stat that shows who is a going to be a good qb.
I wish we could draft a guy that fails as bad as these guys

 

[emocomputerjock]

Brohm > Ryan. That is all.

 

[dlockz]

Brohm > Ryan. That is all.

That could well be true and I cannot fauly anyone for thinking that. I have no clue why Brohm is being so disrepected by scouts in this draft.
But even if you think Ryan or Brohm is the best I would still summise at worst either scenario is probably true.

Brohm>Ryan>Beck

Ryan>Brohm>Beck

 

[InTheHole]

Based on what?
Just last year
Trent Edwards although hardly great was uner 62 percent and played pretty decent last year. Was 5-4 as a starter and was the best of the rookie QB's.

If you watched the Super Bowl
Eli Manning under 62 percent in college and in pros

If you watched our last game of the season
Carson Palmer basically replica stats of Ryan for his college career
number one pick and all pro qb.

If you remember the qb we all wanted and the one when we want to feel better we compare Beck to

Drew Brees under 62 percent in college in pros 63 percent


Another Qb we almost traded for
Matt Hasselback former BC QB that is pro bowl qb

In case you had not been watching the News
Brett Favre maybe best Qb of all time, I think Marino but still
under 62 percent

Former Dallas Cowboy HOF
Troy Aikman of course under that number

Historicaly
Dan Marino was well under 62 percent, hmm Hall of famer.
Terry Bradshaw well under 62 percent 4 time super bowl winner and hall


This was without doing major research, just off the top of my head.
There is no magical college stat that shows who is a going to be a good qb.
I wish we could draft a guy that fails as bad as these guys

We`re talkin college....over the last 5 years, QB`s coming out with a pass completion of 62% or less have FAILED...here`s the short list...

1. Jay Cutler
2. Brodie Croyle
3. J.P. Losman
4. Chris Simms
5. Rex Grossman

Not exactly a GREAT class..

The over 62 percenter class..

1. Philip Rivers
2. Carson Palmer
3. Ben Roethlisberger
4. Byron Leftwich
5. Charlie Frye
6. Matt Schaub
7. Matt Leinart
8. Aaron Rodgers
9. Alex Smith
10. Jason Campbell
11. Vince Young
12. John Beck
13. Brady Quinn

I would have to say that is the BETTER class here....

 

[emocomputerjock]

We`re talkin college....over the last 5 years, QB`s coming out with a pass completion of 62% or less have FAILED...here`s the short list...

1. Jay Cutler
2. Brodie Croyle
3. J.P. Losman
4. Chris Simms
5. Rex Grossman

Not exactly a GREAT class..

The over 62 percenter class..

1. Philip Rivers
2. Carson Palmer
3. Ben Roethlisberger
4. Byron Leftwich
5. Charlie Frye
6. Matt Schaub
7. Matt Leinart
8. Aaron Rodgers
9. Alex Smith
10. Jason Campbell
11. Vince Young
12. John Beck
13. Brady Quinn

I would have to say that is the BETTER class here....

There is more than a kernel of truth to this post - historically, college completion % and # of starts have been the best indicators of success in the NFL.

 

[WVDolphan]

Brohm is the only other QB in this year's draft that I would be happy with besides Ryan. All other QBs are most likely longshots and projects. But Brohm won't be there with our 2nd pick. So the answer is Matt Ryan.

Well, basically we cant risk passing on Ryan in hopes that Brohm is there at 32, because he likely wont be. If we knew we were going to be able to trade back into the 1st round I wouldnt mind having Brohm. I agree, he and Ryan are the only 2 that I care for in this draft. But, seeing as we have first pick, may as well take Ryan while we know we can get one of them. Plus we would have to spend 2 picks to trade back into round 1 to get Brohm.

Also the original poster made the point that Brohm took more sacks and still had a higher comp%. Well no kidding. Sacks dont hurt you comp%. They help them. Thats balls you should be throwing away and taking the incompletion. Brohm taking more sacks is not a good thing. Taking sacks helped inflate Dautes comp%. Throw the ball away. Thats one of the few knocks on Brohm, he dosent have the greatest pocket presence.

As far as all these stats go, its a little bit worthless. You cant just go on raw stats and project who is going to have a better NFL career. You have to watch the games, watch the player play. Then decide who is better. Throw the stats out the window. Only look at them after you watch the guy play the position in a live game, then look at them to assess if you think they are on course with how well he actually played in a particular game.

 

[InTheHole]

Well, basically we cant risk passing on Ryan in hopes that Brohm is there at 32, because he likely wont be. If we knew we were going to be able to trade back into the 1st round I wouldnt mind having Brohm. I agree, he and Ryan are the only 2 that I care for in this draft. But, seeing as we have first pick, may as well take Ryan while we know we can get one of them. Plus we would have to spend 2 picks to trade back into round 1 to get Brohm.

Also the original poster made the point that Brohm took more sacks and still had a higher comp%. Well no kidding. Sacks dont hurt you comp%. They help them. Thats balls you should be throwing away and taking the incompletion. Brohm taking more sacks is not a good thing. Taking sacks helped inflate Dautes comp%. Throw the ball away. Thats one of the few knocks on Brohm, he dosent have the greatest pocket presence.

As far as all these stats go, its a little bit worthless. You cant just go on raw stats and project who is going to have a better NFL career. You have to watch the games, watch the player play. Then decide who is better. Throw the stats out the window. Only look at them after you watch the guy play the position in a live game, then look at them to assess if you think they are on course with how well he actually played in a particular game.

You don`t have to go strictly on stats..but quite frankly, I wouldn`t wanna be the team to buck that trend.....Brohm doesn`t have the problem, his O-line and defense was his only problem. Taking sacks and INFLATING your pass completion rate?! Can you please come up with something better than that...Brohm took 24 sacks and Ryan took 21...now come up with something intelligent.

 

[next-year]

wvudolphin fan are you kidding me not one thing you just posted made any sense nor was any of it true, the taking three more sacks than ryan boosted his % ???? haha look at the attemps around 200 more attempts on ryans part and had 21 sacks , so for those 3 more sacks that brohm had he should have thrown it away a couple hundred times instead right? ok .. and saying brohm has poor pocket presence for some reason contradicts every scouting report i have read and every game i have seen L ville play in he has stood right in the face of the rush and mad accurate throws , i am a rutgers fan and everytime we played them him and michale bush were the only two players that could take over the game and single handedly win it for them
reminds me of the whole leaf vs manning deal to some degree
polished qb more ready for the nfl
vs the qb with a great amount of gunslining potential

also i want to get this off my chest

matt ryan's recivers a veryyy underated and never get any respect from any analysts, rich gunelle for one possess a great amount of reciving skills and returing when the ball gets in this kids hands he is very dangerous ( i ams saying this becasue i played against him in highschool he was the cb/wr/kr a my rival highschool along side tyquan underwood rutgers number one wr , and they were the team. richy gunnz is also the second reciver so matt ryan has more help than people think in my opinion

 

[dlockz]

We`re talkin college....over the last 5 years, QB`s coming out with a pass completion of 62% or less have FAILED...here`s the short list...

1. Jay Cutler
2. Brodie Croyle
3. J.P. Losman
4. Chris Simms
5. Rex Grossman

Not exactly a GREAT class..

The over 62 percenter class..

1. Philip Rivers
2. Carson Palmer
3. Ben Roethlisberger
4. Byron Leftwich
5. Charlie Frye
6. Matt Schaub
7. Matt Leinart
8. Aaron Rodgers
9. Alex Smith
10. Jason Campbell
11. Vince Young
12. John Beck
13. Brady Quinn

I would have to say that is the BETTER class here....

Carson Palmer's career college completion rate is basically the same as Ryan's are do we only include senior years which makes no sense.


Also add Eli Manning to the under 62 class

Eli
Carson
Brees
Derek Anderson

all good qb's without that number

Kliff Klingsbery had a career 66 percent completion might be that damn Texas Tech/BYU offense.