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Brian Griese to Miami?

Good point. If a teammate I didn't care for screwed up I probably wouldn't say anything. And if he had no friends on the team I guess nobody would say anything, at least nothing positive.
 
DUI is a big deal? Gee I was reserving my "evil " label for people who abuse children, sell drugs, rape, assault, etc. I could even consider believing that the Demetrius Underwoods and Ryan Leafs are terrible influence. But a DUI??? Hell 70% of any football stadium is drunk.

DUI is NOT a big deal. Please. I think if you poll the male population of his age brackett the number of people who were ever drunk, had a DUI, or even tripped or did something silly while drunk, would be pretty high. Not hardly a morale or critical offense. Certainly not to the extent it matters regarding his football ability.
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For the record I think fin-atic made himSELF pretty clear with this statement and doesn't need a bunch of apologists re-interpreting his statement and defending him. I'm not going to jump all over his case but he made it pretty obvious that he was saying DUI is not a big deal, and he wasn't saying it in a football sense....he pretty much proved that with the whole "poll the male population of his age brackett..." statement. So, no, its no use spinning his statement into being completely football related and him just saying that DUI isn't a big deal for a FOOTBALL PLAYER compared to other stuff that FOOTBALL PLAYERS do. If he was saying that, he would have said "poll FOOTBALL PLAYERS of his age brackett..." but he didn't.

That said, I'm not going to jump all over him either. I'm not saying that DUI isn't a very big deal, I think it is a very big deal but it is also a very very very popular crime. And he's right, if you polled males of Griese's age bracket and asked them honestly if they've drank and drove, most would probably say yes at some point. I've been guilty of this, since one time i was going to drive home from a party but I realized I was too drunk and taking a huge chance so I parked at a gas station paid through the anus for a cab all the way home and got my car the next day. A lot of people here I'm sure have done it too.

But its like I said before, we don't have the same responsibilities on our shoulders as a $10 million signing bonus NFL quarterback. And as a $10 million quarterback, you risk your career and the welfare of your team, by the SIMPLE ACT OF DRINKING ALCOHOL. I'm not saying it makes him a bad guy. I'm saying its a pretty good reason why he's no longer a $10 million quarterback....but rather a guy signing a one year offer to be a backup QB. If these NFL players want to break down and have the same faults, do the same things that normal guys do...hey thats fine with me, I'm not going to hold them to some higher moral standard because they play in the NFL.

But I'm also not going to pay them top dollar.

Griese has a very good likelihood of coming to Miami, and being our backup quarterback, and helping us win games. He even has an outside chance, of POSSIBLY becoming our starting QB either due to injury this season, or by beating Fiedler out next season. But until he proves that his substance abuse problems in Denver are completely OVER and DONE with, and that he is NOT going to have the faults of a "normal guy" then he's not going to be our signed, franchise, top dollar starting quarterback.

And by the way, the whole "you must hate Ricky Williams then" thing, that was weak. Ricky would be the FIRST PERSON to tell you that he squandered his opportunities in New Orleans, that he handled the situation badly, and that he didn't realize how much responsibility was on his shoulders as a top talent NFL player that only has EVERYTHING to lose. The guy has since, straightened up his act. I'm not saying Griese is not capable of that. I'm saying he's gonna have to show that he HAS straightened up, before he can even think of getting paid and committed to by a team like he was in Denver.

Like I've been saying all along, the pressure of replacing Elway probably got to him. And I'm not using that as an excuse to say he's a good or bad person, I'm saying that considering the circumstances its very possible that he can still turn himself into a good responsible NFL player that stays out of trouble and keeps a team's confidence, and that he only squandered that in Denver because of the enormous pressure of Elway's ghost.
 
Of course you risk your career and welfare of your team by drinking alcohol, but every NFL player does it. Hell, someone said their friend said they saw Seau and Zach out partying a few days ago. I think its unfair to single out Griese because his occurances were documented by ESPN, whereas any other NFL player's is gone unnoticed. No one can really tell me that not one other NFL player has gotten drunk and fallen down. If someone is against bringing in Griese, thats cool, but I want to hear a reason outside of him having an alcohol problem, because the simple answer is that he doesn't, he just has a few ESPN documented cases of consumption, and an idiotic DUI incident........
 
Dude where there's smoke there's fire. You defend Griese by saying everyone in the NFL drinks. I would use that as further proof that he MAY have a problem with alcohol. Everyone in the NFL drinks, but most of them don't end up making a spectacle of themselves on multiple occasions involving alcohol.

Junior Seau and Zach Thomas go out drinking together to celebrate the trade. Couple of differences. One, we're not in the middle of an NFL season. Two, they didn't injure themselves (and thereby affect their game play) or get arrested because of it.

Anyone can slip and fall over a dog when the get drunk, sure enough. But as a $10 million quarterback in the NFL, if you know that you have a tendancy to slip when you drink, you DONT DO IT. THATS THE BOTTOM LINE. Everyone in the NFL might drink, but not everyone in the NFL lets it affect their game play. And if your drinking puts you in a position where your game play could be jeopardized, you're not going to be a $10 million quarterback for much longer.

His alcohol problems have been well-documented in Denver throughout the rumor mills and eyewitness reports. Everyone takes it for granted that teammates lost faith in Griese. Anyone ever wonder why? Anyone think it might be possible, just possible that these guys on his team SEE him getting drunk on a fairly regular basis, see the position his drinking puts him in, see how it affects his game, and conclude that the guy is not dedicated to being a winner? I'm not saying thats exactly what happened, but I know that exact theory has been put forth from rumor mills that piece together eyewitness and "insider" information. These obviously are not the most highly regarded and reliable sources of info, however given the mere multiplicity of incidents in Denver involving Griese and alcohol...

Well, where there is smoke, there could be fire. His alcohol PROBLEM is a valid reason why someone might not want him here. Yes, I call it a problem, and I know I have no reason to believe he is an alcoholic nor do I believe he is one. But the fact of the matter is multiple incidents involving Griese and alcohol have cost him millions upon millions of dollars, and he never really put a stop to these incidents. This doesn't make him a bad guy. It just means, as I said a million times already, that he's no longer a $10 million franchise starting quarterback until he can prove that his alcohol PROBLEM is behind him.
 
Damn bro, you are one hard guy to argue with, especially this late at night. I'll pick this up in the morning after I've recovered from the mental beating I took from my relatives today. Have a great night CK........
 
G'night man. I need some rest to get rid of the head-beating all these Heinekens are giving me. Ugghhh...my head hurts.
 
This may all become a moot point, as Baltimore seems to be cooling on Kyle Boller and warming on Griese, per The Sporting News.
 
The missed point from my posts is simple:

What qualifies anyone on this board to judge Griese as a man?

You guys take some "sources" opinion and run with it like it is fact.

It is ridiculous for anyone to believe that I think DUI is acceptable.

Compared to the kind of stuff I mentioned, it is NOT a big deal. Do I support it? No. (by the way I lost my best friend to a drunk driver when I was 20) But it is not my place to be the moral barometer of the NFL. I think before you jump on a board and call someone an "alcoholic" or claim "a drinking problem" or pass personal judegment, than you should have first hand knowledge of them and their life. I am pretty sure that excludes everyone here.

You know Nick Nolte, Charlie Sheen, Hugh Grant, Diana Ross, etc all have been arested for DUI. This along with many other celebrities and rock stars. Everyone buys their records and watches their movies. No one is sitting around going "Nolte is an alcoholic I am not going to see his movie!" But for some reason we cast our athletes into these role model/heros/demi-God models and get self righteous if we don't think they are not acting accordingly. Football is a brutal, money hungry, commercial enterprise. If you want to set morals and guidelines for society? Great! Do it at home with your family.

I repsect athletes for their talent, but man they are humans. They eat, screw, drink, laugh, fart and burp like everyone else. To say they aren't because they "make $10M" is just bitterness. The money they make is because all of us pay what we will pay for tickets, merchandise, etc. We pay it because we want to be entertained on the field and we want our guys to be champions. At the games I go to I see blatant alcohol abuse, pot smoking, nudity, and many fights, profanity, etc. And now everyone gets on here like the NFL is a holy institution. I love the game. That's why I am here. But be real. Pick-up any book written by any ex-player and live what the real NFL is about. It is a bunch of testerone inflammed men with the power and the money to do anything they want. It is filled with alcohol, drugs, and violence. The common quote in these books is "if the fans knew what really happens and who is doing it, they would be shocked".

Welcome to Pro football.



Brian or any person deserves the benefit of the doubt unless there is proof otherwise. To get on here and assasinate his character and disagree with his aquisition on this basis is wrong.
 
I love this debate, people here always come to the defense of Griese, saying he followed Elway, big shoes to fill, too much pressure. These are probably true to a degree, but how come those same defenses are not used to defend Jay? Same thing he followed Marino? Are we saying that Dan wasn't as good as Elway so Jay wasn't filling as big of shoes? Consider that Griese consistently had better supporting cast overall than Jay did, I'd say Griese has done nothing to warrant the praise as an elite qb.

With that said, I hope we do sign Griese if one of teh top 6 qbs are gone by 49. If Ragone or Simms is there, we should draft him and then we have 2 young qbs that can develop rather than sign someone else's baggage. If we do sign Griese then I hope what everyone says is ture and a change of scenery helps him and he turns his career around. No he hasn't been in serious trouble w/ the law, but widely reported he doesn't get along w/ teammates, doesn't have greatest work ethic and has had mental lapses costing Denver games.
 
OK here it is. We don't need Griese for a backup or otherwise in Miami. We can find better elsewhere and it isn't like Jay's on his last leg.
 
Even our President got a DUI once.. Doesnt make it right though.. But some of you guys are making Griese seem like some degenerate.
 
Originally posted by Bazinet37
Great point Trek. While I am a big Fiedler supporter, I am also a big fan of improving this team, and Brian Griese will do that, whether it be as a backup, or as a starter next season. If Griese is an alcoholic, than so am I, because I party almost every weekend (barring any tests or something of that magnitude). Griese should not be judged by his drinking problem, or lack thereof in my opinion......
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I'm sure that the family that was wiped out by the St Louis Rams player who was plastered while driving his SUV appreciates your opinion. There's nothing wrong with partying...heck, get wasted every night if you want to. If you do it and drive though, your ass deserves to rot in jail for a very long time. The only time I ever enjoyed beating the crap out of someone was a guy who just wouldn't turn over his keys when he was trashed. I can see giving a player ONE chance with a DUI because everyone DOES make a mistake. DUI number two though needs to go to jail. I don't care if it's Griese, Sam Madison, or Ricky Williams. My wife and soon my child will be driving the streets of South Florida, and if the choice was a Dolphin player rotting in jail or my families safety, take a wild freakin' guess which one I'd choose?
 
Originally posted by fin-atic
The missed point from my posts is simple:

What qualifies anyone on this board to judge Griese as a man?

You guys take some "sources" opinion and run with it like it is fact.

It is ridiculous for anyone to believe that I think DUI is acceptable.

Compared to the kind of stuff I mentioned, it is NOT a big deal. Do I support it? No. (by the way I lost my best friend to a drunk driver when I was 20) But it is not my place to be the moral barometer of the NFL. I think before you jump on a board and call someone an "alcoholic" or claim "a drinking problem" or pass personal judegment, than you should have first hand knowledge of them and their life. I am pretty sure that excludes everyone here.

You know Nick Nolte, Charlie Sheen, Hugh Grant, Diana Ross, etc all have been arested for DUI. This along with many other celebrities and rock stars. Everyone buys their records and watches their movies. No one is sitting around going "Nolte is an alcoholic I am not going to see his movie!" But for some reason we cast our athletes into these role model/heros/demi-God models and get self righteous if we don't think they are not acting accordingly. Football is a brutal, money hungry, commercial enterprise. If you want to set morals and guidelines for society? Great! Do it at home with your family.

I repsect athletes for their talent, but man they are humans. They eat, screw, drink, laugh, fart and burp like everyone else. To say they aren't because they "make $10M" is just bitterness. The money they make is because all of us pay what we will pay for tickets, merchandise, etc. We pay it because we want to be entertained on the field and we want our guys to be champions. At the games I go to I see blatant alcohol abuse, pot smoking, nudity, and many fights, profanity, etc. And now everyone gets on here like the NFL is a holy institution. I love the game. That's why I am here. But be real. Pick-up any book written by any ex-player and live what the real NFL is about. It is a bunch of testerone inflammed men with the power and the money to do anything they want. It is filled with alcohol, drugs, and violence. The common quote in these books is "if the fans knew what really happens and who is doing it, they would be shocked".

Welcome to Pro football.



Brian or any person deserves the benefit of the doubt unless there is proof otherwise. To get on here and assasinate his character and disagree with his aquisition on this basis is wrong.
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I agree that calling him an alcoholic is out of line. I also agree that one mistake shouldn't keep the Phins from pursuing him. I disagree however that we don't have the right to judge athletes, rock stars, or anyone else who asks us to support them as fans. Brian Griese DOES have a DUI. As such, while I'm willing to allow for a mistake, I will also be watching to see if he gets ANOTHER DUI. If he does so than I WOULD want him off the team. If I don't like what the Dixie Chicks have to say about the PResident, I'll choose not to buy their CD's. If I don't like what Martin Sheen has to say about the war, I'll stop watching West Wing. If Snapple gives part of it's proceeds to Right to Life groups, I reserve the right to stop buying Snapple. I'm the consumer. If I don't like what you're doing with my money, I'll decide to spend that money elsewhere.
 
Snapple gives part of its proceeds to Right to Life Groups? Cool! Another reason to like Snapple! :lol:

Seriously, I'd have to back PhinPhan on this point: fans DO have a right to be wary about Griese IF his past problems could potentially affect his value to the team. (This thread is starting to sound eerily similar to the David Boston discussion.) Yes, the alcoholic smack is a bit much, but the issue is NOT irrelevant.
 
Originally posted by DrAstroZoom
Snapple gives part of its proceeds to Right to Life Groups? Cool! Another reason to like Snapple! :lol:

Seriously, I'd have to back PhinPhan on this point: fans DO have a right to be wary about Griese IF his past problems could potentially affect his value to the team. (This thread is starting to sound eerily similar to the David Boston discussion.) Yes, the alcoholic smack is a bit much, but the issue is NOT irrelevant.
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I was never a big Snapple fan, so I never bothered to check to see if that was factual, or just one of the millions of unfounded rumors.
 
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