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Last year the Broncos had the easiest schedule in the league. They lost to every good team they played decisively. I don't think the Broncos were actually in the hunt against a single good football team that they played in 2012 until their final one against Baltimore, which they also lost.

Also, they looked pretty lousy against some of the bad teams they beat.

Despite this, the ESPN morons were on the Denver hype train.
It's just another example of sports-journalism really having no credibility. It's all about generating interest, ratings, etc. I mean it's not like they can just tell the whole country for 13 years straight that the Patriots & Brady are #1, even if it's true.

So now it's starting all over again. "Peyton this, Peyton that. Welkah this, Welkah that."

Fools gold.

Ravens - LOSS
@Giants - LOSS
Raiders - Win
Eagles - Win
@Cowboys - Win
Jaguars - Win
@Colts - LOSS
Redskins - LOSS
@Chargers - LOSS
Chiefs - Win
@Patriots - LOSS
@Chiefs - LOSS
Titans - Win
Chargers - Win
@Texans - LOSS
Raiders - Win

8-8, maybe they sweep the chargers for 9-7. MEDIOCRE.

If they make the play offs, they'll choke as usual. If Peyton Manning doesn't throw the game losing interception, Welkah will drop the game winning catch.

This team is overrated garbage. The truth is harsh but it remains the truth.

And this was before they lost Von Miller for half the season, and maybe Bailey.

Denver fans are the biggest kool-aid drinking tools in the entire NFL. They're honestly worse than Steelers fans, which is really quite the feat.

Going to be a fun season. Not only am I going to get to watch Denver fans whine and cry about the team not meeting their expectations, the media should start feasting on Manning right around week #..... 12.
 
Yep that's how I feel too. Living in Broncos country I hear this super bowl talk every day.
 
Yeah, they turned into the worst fan base in the league after signing Manning. They're like a parasite team that latches on to other teams legacies.
Can't wait to smash them again
 
I don't think they are entirely overrated. But I do think they won't win the Super Bowl.

Never go to the Library without your shotgun.
 
I don't think they're going anywhere.

I don't agree with you entirely -- they still have a pretty solid team -- but Peyton isn't the QB he used to be and that defense has issues. With Von Miller suspended six games, they would be in trouble in a real division.
 
registeredguy said:
I don't think they're going anywhere.

I don't agree with you entirely -- they still have a pretty solid team -- but Peyton isn't the QB he used to be and that defense has issues. With Von Miller suspended six games, they would be in trouble in a real division.
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I think KC and SD will be much improved so that division won't be a cakewalk this year. Denver is still the best team, Peyton is an all time great reg season QB but when the bright lights go on in January you can never trust him.
 
nyjunc said:
I think KC and SD will be much improved so that division won't be a cakewalk this year. Denver is still the best team, Peyton is an all time great reg season QB but when the bright lights go on in January you can never trust him.
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KC is going to be tougher than people give them credit for. I am willing to bet KC challenges for the division.
 
I do agree that they'll have some issues. No Dummerville, Von Miller suspended 6 games, and Derek Wolfe questionable with the neck injury destroys their pass rush. Champ Bailey is hurt and the secondary to write home about
 
ChambersWI said:
I do agree that they'll have some issues. No Dummerville, Von Miller suspended 6 games, and Derek Wolfe questionable with the neck injury destroys their pass rush. Champ Bailey is hurt and the secondary to write home about
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Payton was always overrated. He's a media darling. His legacy is a result of drooling journalists, not from football.
He played in the worst division in the AFC, in a dome no less. He got to beat on the Texans, the Jags and the Titans for a decade (all horrible expansion teams for the most part). He had a lot of easy schedules. He would put up good numbers on a stacked offensive against bottom feeder teams every year, than go 1 and done in the post season when you have to play good football teams.

He has the record for most one-and-dones in NFL history. That basically means he is the most exposed fraud of all time.

He's definitely not a top 5 QB of all time. I really don't think he's even a top 10.
Top 20 probably more accurate.

His one ring was a result of the Patriots defense having an epic choke job in a year when Brady had no weapons before the 2007 reload. The year he won his one lonely ring he threw (IIRC) 2 touchdowns and 7 interceptions in the play offs. Total fail

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This is Payton's career in a nutshell
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Kinda funny a Pats fan dissing a "media darling".
 
PATS16N0 said:
He played in the worst division in the AFC, in a dome no less. He got to beat on the Texans, the Jags and the Titans for a decade (all horrible expansion teams for the most part). He had a lot of easy schedules.

That is so ironic to hear from a Patsy Homer.

You do realize that over the last 10 years that that worst division in the AFC is the AFC East

Miami 68-92
Jets 77-83
Buffalo 63-97

Total 208-272 (43.3%)

Titans 86-74
Texans 65-95
Jags 76-84

Total 227-253 (47.2%)

So under your guidelines we should forget all of Brady's regular season accomplishments becuase he did play in the weakest divsion in the AFC.

And now on to your post season analysys. At least Manning has won a Super Bowl recently. Brady has now gone 8 years without winning the big game.
Yes he started his post season career with 10 straight wins and 3 Titles. But since then he is 7-7

He exited in 2005 with a 74 QBR and 2 Ints vs Denver
He exited in 2006 with a 79.5 QBR and another Int vs Indy and Peyton Manning
He exited in 2007 with a 82.5 QBR in the Super Bowl. Only threw 1 TD after throwing 55 in the previous 18 games that year.
He exited in 2009 with 49.1 QBR and 3 ints vs the Ravens at home.
He exited in 2010 with 89 QBR vs the lowly Jets at home.
He exited in 2011 with 91.1 QBR in the Super Bowl. Only scored 17 measly points after averaging 32 per game through out the year.
And finally exited last year with a 62.3 QBR and 2 ints vs the Ravens at home.

In those 7 season ending playoff losses Brady completed less than 60% of his passes, threw 10 TD's vs 10 Ints and had a very Chad Henne like 74.9 QBR
If you want to talk about a choke artist you just need to look at your own QB over the last 8 years.

Brady Sucks in the playoffs lately!
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Fins1971 said:
PATS16N0 said:
He played in the worst division in the AFC, in a dome no less. He got to beat on the Texans, the Jags and the Titans for a decade (all horrible expansion teams for the most part). He had a lot of easy schedules.

That is so ironic to hear from a Patsy Homer.

You do realize that over the last 10 years that that worst division in the AFC is the AFC East

Miami 68-92
Jets 77-83
Buffalo 63-97

Total 208-272 (43.3%)

Titans 86-74
Texans 65-95
Jags 76-84

Total 227-253 (47.2%)

So under your guidelines we should forget all of Brady's regular season accomplishments becuase he did play in the weakest divsion in the AFC.

And now on to your post season analysys. At least Manning has won a Super Bowl recently. Brady has now gone 8 years without winning the big game.
Yes he started his post season career with 10 straight wins and 3 Titles. But since then he is 7-7

He exited in 2005 with a 74 QBR and 2 Ints vs Denver
He exited in 2006 with a 79.5 QBR and another Int vs Indy and Peyton Manning
He exited in 2007 with a 82.5 QBR in the Super Bowl. Only threw 1 TD after throwing 55 in the previous 18 games that year.
He exited in 2009 with 49.1 QBR and 3 ints vs the Ravens at home.
He exited in 2010 with 89 QBR vs the lowly Jets at home.
He exited in 2011 with 91.1 QBR in the Super Bowl. Only scored 17 measly points after averaging 32 per game through out the year.
And finally exited last year with a 62.3 QBR and 2 ints vs the Ravens at home.

In those 7 season ending playoff losses Brady completed less than 60% of his passes, threw 10 TD's vs 10 Ints and had a very Chad Henne like 74.9 QBR
If you want to talk about a choke artist you just need to look at your own QB over the last 8 years.

Brady Sucks!
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one of the main reasons the win % of the other 3 teams is down is b/c we usually lose 2 games a year to NE. Our division has been tougher overall and when he was in our division

2006 is recent but 2004 isn't?

7-7 is still better than 9-11, right?

2006 at Indy he led his O to 27 pts, the D choked away the game and he did so w/ reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney as his main weapons. Peyton has ALWAYS had elite weapons around him, Brady rarely has.

He had a poor SB XLII BUT w/ the game on the line he led his O 80 yds for the 4 pt lead late and his D blew it.

In Peyton's SB loss he threw an INT for a TD to end Indy's hopes.

The lowly Jets won 4 playoff games in 2 years and beat peyton the week before where he led his high powered O to just 16 pts and he failed to run out the clock leaving mark Sanchez too much time to set up the GW FG.

Peyton also lost to the lowly dolphins in 2000, Miami's LAST playoff win.


you want to talk about average pts in playoff losses?


Peyton has led his high powered O's to 14.8 PPG in playoff losses
Brady has led his O's to 17 PPG


Playoff losses, pts scored vs. reg season avg:

Peyton:

1999 Ten: 16 pts, averaged 26.4: -10
2000 at Mia: 17 pts, averaged 26.8: -10
2002 at NYJ: ZERO, averaged 21/8: -22
2003 at NE: 14, 27.9: -14
2004 at NE: 3, 32.6: -30
2005: Pit: 18, 27.4: -9
2007 SD: 24, 28: -4
2008 at SD: 17, 23.6: -7
2009 NO: 17, 26: -9
2010 NYJ: 16, 27: -11
2011 Bal: 21, 30: -9



Brady:
2005 at den: 13, 23.7: -11
2006 at Ind: 27, 24.1: +3
2007 NYG: 14, 36.8: -23
2009 Bal: 14, 26.7: -13
2010 NYJ: 21, 32.4: -11
2011 NYG: 17, 32.1: -15
2012 Bal: 13, 34.8: -22

at least Brady had one positive in there.

How about one and done's?

Manning: EIGHT
Brady: TWO


Brady is so far ahead of manning it is almost laughable to compare them.

find me a game where Brady's D/STs scored 14 pts for him and he still lost?(at home, w/ a bye)
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nyjunc said:
Fins1971 said:
one of the main reasons the win % of the other 3 teams is down is b/c we usually lose 2 games a year to NE. Our division has been tougher overall and when he was in our division

2006 is recent but 2004 isn't?

7-7 is still better than 9-11, right?

2006 at Indy he led his O to 27 pts, the D choked away the game and he did so w/ reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney as his main weapons. Peyton has ALWAYS had elite weapons around him, Brady rarely has.

He had a poor SB XLII BUT w/ the game on the line he led his O 80 yds for the 4 pt lead late and his D blew it.

In Peyton's SB loss he threw an INT for a TD to end Indy's hopes.

The lowly Jets won 4 playoff games in 2 years and beat peyton the week before where he led his high powered O to just 16 pts and he failed to run out the clock leaving mark Sanchez too much time to set up the GW FG.

Peyton also lost to the lowly dolphins in 2000, Miami's LAST playoff win.


you want to talk about average pts in playoff losses?


Peyton has led his high powered O's to 14.8 PPG in playoff losses
Brady has led his O's to 17 PPG


Playoff losses, pts scored vs. reg season avg:

Peyton:

1999 Ten: 16 pts, averaged 26.4: -10
2000 at Mia: 17 pts, averaged 26.8: -10
2002 at NYJ: ZERO, averaged 21/8: -22
2003 at NE: 14, 27.9: -14
2004 at NE: 3, 32.6: -30
2005: Pit: 18, 27.4: -9
2007 SD: 24, 28: -4
2008 at SD: 17, 23.6: -7
2009 NO: 17, 26: -9
2010 NYJ: 16, 27: -11
2011 Bal: 21, 30: -9



Brady:
2005 at den: 13, 23.7: -11
2006 at Ind: 27, 24.1: +3
2007 NYG: 14, 36.8: -23
2009 Bal: 14, 26.7: -13
2010 NYJ: 21, 32.4: -11
2011 NYG: 17, 32.1: -15
2012 Bal: 13, 34.8: -22

at least Brady had one positive in there.

How about one and done's?

Manning: EIGHT
Brady: TWO


Brady is so far ahead of manning it is almost laughable to compare them.

find me a game where Brady's D/STs scored 14 pts for him and he still lost?(at home, w/ a bye)
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Never said one thing about Manning being better. They are both chokers lately in the playoffs with the opportunities they had.
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